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If that's his picture by his profile, he's CUTE!!!!!
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i want to start learing how to knife fight
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I'm baaack.
Here's a link to the shock knife and the Dog brothers take on using this revolutionary tool. Absolutlely awesome, realistic knife fighting without shedding blood.
Someone posted learning how to defend against a knife using real knives will add some realism to your practice... Maybe, or maybe not. How committed is the 'attacker' going to be using a real blade. They can't fake their timing or pressure using a real blade, otherwise the off chance they'll actually 'stab and thrust' their training partner.
Here's a link to the shock knife and the Dog brothers take on using this revolutionary tool. Absolutlely awesome, realistic knife fighting without shedding blood.
Someone posted learning how to defend against a knife using real knives will add some realism to your practice... Maybe, or maybe not. How committed is the 'attacker' going to be using a real blade. They can't fake their timing or pressure using a real blade, otherwise the off chance they'll actually 'stab and thrust' their training partner.
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I think the shock knife looks like a good development in knife training, pricey though but I guess I'll have to get one to check it out in use.
I agree with edge fighter. When ever I have trained live blade (yes I do!!) I have experienced exactly that... committment is not quite as it should be. I guess thats because we have a built in safety button (without real intention there is no psycological committment... consiquence and all that. So we still don't get to the real deal. (not that I ever want to have to.... its all very contradictory!). Maybe shock knife will offer a way forward.
I agree with edge fighter. When ever I have trained live blade (yes I do!!) I have experienced exactly that... committment is not quite as it should be. I guess thats because we have a built in safety button (without real intention there is no psycological committment... consiquence and all that. So we still don't get to the real deal. (not that I ever want to have to.... its all very contradictory!). Maybe shock knife will offer a way forward.
Hi im new here, but i can still voice out my opinion concerning the real knife vs fake knife sparring. I guess it would be safe to say that only professionals or martial artists who have a high degree of skill can handle a training session like that since they are able to control such weapons more precisely. It would be ill advised for people who have just started out or still lacking in experience to handle real weapons. Trust is not the issue in this type of training, it is always the skill level of the individual that is in question. Even instructors use dummy knives because they know that accidents will occur even in their level. Just my two cents.....pls dont burn me.....
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I agree with you. People new to knife training need to work with dull edge blades (don't train with soft rubber knives, they are a complete waist of time).
They need to develop an understanding of what a blade is capable of doing (test cutting meat etc, using diffent knife cutting angles, thrusts etc, is a good way of developing this understanding).
Once you have a good feel for blade movement and have stopped catching yourself... and you will... you might choose to move on to a live blade with the edge taped over.
Finally, try a live blade, be prepared for your first self inflicted wound... knives have a strong desire to do their job and will not be happy until they have tasted your blood!.
Its all about gradual progression and a sensible attitude to your training.
Respect the blade, and it will serve you well.
They need to develop an understanding of what a blade is capable of doing (test cutting meat etc, using diffent knife cutting angles, thrusts etc, is a good way of developing this understanding).
Once you have a good feel for blade movement and have stopped catching yourself... and you will... you might choose to move on to a live blade with the edge taped over.
Finally, try a live blade, be prepared for your first self inflicted wound... knives have a strong desire to do their job and will not be happy until they have tasted your blood!.
Its all about gradual progression and a sensible attitude to your training.
Respect the blade, and it will serve you well.
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Yes, live blade spaaring is not a good thing, (you tend to run out of students....). I agree that live blade training is very important, but as you quite rightly say Yoshi, only as partnered set training exercises or as solo drills.
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Nok does a electric blade that is about 1/5 the cost and is designed off her contact trainer design so they can be fought with hard. here's a few pics
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Whoa, is that a new product? Where exactly are the contacts?
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hi Joe the contact wires are sewn down the edge and about 2" up the spine for back cutting. It really works your blade alignment with your target as both wires need to make contact for it to shock. Sloppy strikes won't shock
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This is a great product which will make knife training a little more realistic in terms of 'paying for a mistake' if you know what I mean..
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One thing I would like people to keep in mind is that the buzzard is designed to be just one tool in your tool box. It is a scalpel not a SAK. If you are looking for a trainer that you can throw on the floor and step on fight hard with and abuse well Nok's Eagle is designed for this type of abuse.. If I could have only one training knife the Eagle does it all.
The Buzzard fits a small niche in your training one of the reasons Nok tried to come up with an affordable electric blade was that it only fits a small niche in your training and she couldn't justify having a student have to pay a fortune to train such a small (though important) area of their training.
One of the hardest opportunities to train safely and realistically in knife work is the follow. In a blade exchange the follow usually occurs when you have injured your attacker you have created a spontaneous knee jerk defensive reaction in him that allows you to follow this reaction into his core.
In training unless you are really hurting your partner you seldom see this follow response and it is very hard to mimic or "act out "in training as a true response unless you are really hurting your partner.
In the old days when we were all using aluminum war clubs to train with now and then you would smash your partners knuckle, elbow, your slam him in the face and you would see this reaction and be be able to take advantage of the opportunity to train your follow to his body of course you didn;t see your training partner for a few weeks until his wounds healed.
This is where the electric knife shines in training is safely creating this knee jerk spontaneous defensive withdrawal of the arm.
Here is a few drills Nok and I have been working the buzzard with.
If your partner knows he is going to be shocked every time he can grit his teeth and force him self to take the shot, so the trick is to use it randomly so he doesn't know when the shock will come. Nok and I will work our random flow both of us inserting tactics when we like only every now and then we will activate the knife and deliver a jolt and as the receiver jumps off the jolt the other attempts the post the blade arm and enter with a stab to the body.
Another drill we have been doing is having your partner get into their fighting stance close their eyes and deliver random strikes to the air the other partner picks one of those strikes to arm cut again when your partner doesn't know it's coming 9 times out of 10 they will retract their arm at the jolt and give you the opportunity to post their blade arm and enter with your kill shot to the body..
As with any tool knowing what job that tool is best suited for is half the battle, and using the proper tool for the job makes everything easier. The task is to come up with drills that this tool will be best applied to as again it is not a general purpose tool and has it's limitations.
The Buzzard fits a small niche in your training one of the reasons Nok tried to come up with an affordable electric blade was that it only fits a small niche in your training and she couldn't justify having a student have to pay a fortune to train such a small (though important) area of their training.
One of the hardest opportunities to train safely and realistically in knife work is the follow. In a blade exchange the follow usually occurs when you have injured your attacker you have created a spontaneous knee jerk defensive reaction in him that allows you to follow this reaction into his core.
In training unless you are really hurting your partner you seldom see this follow response and it is very hard to mimic or "act out "in training as a true response unless you are really hurting your partner.
In the old days when we were all using aluminum war clubs to train with now and then you would smash your partners knuckle, elbow, your slam him in the face and you would see this reaction and be be able to take advantage of the opportunity to train your follow to his body of course you didn;t see your training partner for a few weeks until his wounds healed.
This is where the electric knife shines in training is safely creating this knee jerk spontaneous defensive withdrawal of the arm.
Here is a few drills Nok and I have been working the buzzard with.
If your partner knows he is going to be shocked every time he can grit his teeth and force him self to take the shot, so the trick is to use it randomly so he doesn't know when the shock will come. Nok and I will work our random flow both of us inserting tactics when we like only every now and then we will activate the knife and deliver a jolt and as the receiver jumps off the jolt the other attempts the post the blade arm and enter with a stab to the body.
Another drill we have been doing is having your partner get into their fighting stance close their eyes and deliver random strikes to the air the other partner picks one of those strikes to arm cut again when your partner doesn't know it's coming 9 times out of 10 they will retract their arm at the jolt and give you the opportunity to post their blade arm and enter with your kill shot to the body..
As with any tool knowing what job that tool is best suited for is half the battle, and using the proper tool for the job makes everything easier. The task is to come up with drills that this tool will be best applied to as again it is not a general purpose tool and has it's limitations.
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Yes, thats a very good point and I like the drills you have come up with, thanks for those. I don't have a buzzard yet but will get one asap. Like you say, it can definately be a useful addition to you box of training tools.