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seanystrangle said:
should i still do something like that even though im just using it as an example of a knife that is made with mutiple uses in mind? sorry if i miss understood you
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considering you're using it as an example of a multi-use tool, I don't think you need to give RAT an opportunity to counterpoint your praise of the HEST. Now if you tried saying something good about the RC5, you'd probably get some remarks. (don't think about that last sentence too hard)

The example esav was talking about, referred to reports of news mainly. If everything external seemed to put a person in a poor light, it's considered proper to contact them for their side of the story.
 
Let me guess, you're going to throw in the Acheulian handaxe as the ancestor? I'm guessing the assignment is to find a modern day 'relic' that future societies will study as a tool of our age...In that case, the 'American' drop point Bowies and sharpened prybars really are a good symbol of where modern hunter-gatherers stand technology wise. While some societies tinkered with obsidian and chirt for blade materials, flint became the standard benchmark because it simply worked. You could compare the more exotic tool materials to stainless super-steels, they're great for most uses, but carbon steel is still our standard for hard use. If something works, it can and will be used until something completely replaces it in every way, which can take thousands of years as your professor will tell you. Every generation starting with homo habilis had its gear guys, even back when it was 'Do I use the stick with the knot on the end...or the curved one?'. The HEST is a good example with its unique implements, without them you'd be explaining bushcraft to a class that just doesn't get it. The professor still might relate to it, anyone who studies early societies won't bite their thumb at some one studying those skill sets.
 
Dizwolf said:
considering you're using it as an example of a multi-use tool, I don't think you need to give RAT an opportunity to counterpoint your praise of the HEST. Now if you tried saying something good about the RC5, you'd probably get some remarks. (don't think about that last sentence too hard)

The example esav was talking about, referred to reports of news mainly. If everything external seemed to put a person in a poor light, it's considered proper to contact them for their side of the story.
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alright cool i get it now sorry for being a little slow
 
AlexSchira said:
Let me guess, you're going to throw in the Acheulian handaxe as the ancestor? I'm guessing the assignment is to find a modern day 'relic' that future societies will study as a tool of our age...In that case, the 'American' drop point Bowies and sharpened prybars really are a good symbol of where modern hunter-gatherers stand technology wise. While some societies tinkered with obsidian and chirt for blade materials, flint became the standard benchmark because it simply worked. You could compare the more exotic tool materials to stainless super-steels, they're great for most uses, but carbon steel is still our standard for hard use. If something works, it can and will be used until something completely replaces it in every way, which can take thousands of years as your professor will tell you. Every generation starting with homo habilis had its gear guys, even back when it was 'Do I use the stick with the knot on the end...or the curved one?'. The HEST is a good example with its unique implements, without them you'd be explaining bushcraft to a class that just doesn't get it. The professor still might relate to it, anyone who studies early societies won't bite their thumb at some one studying those skill sets.
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yeah thats pretty close what im doing it is pretty much a compare and contrast essay about stone tools to modern tools and how stone tools were ment to do what just thier hands could not and a little on the info of the evolution ill post a rough draft tonight tell me what you all think
 
Sounds cool, just make sure you refer to it as a tool and don't let anyone railroad you into calling it a weapon. Good luck and let us know how it goes.
 
hoopster said:
Sounds cool, just make sure you refer to it as a tool and don't let anyone railroad you into calling it a weapon. Good luck and let us know how it goes.
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ok thank you for the advice. do you think i would get in trouble for calling it a knife?
 
Scraping and pounding away at a carcass that has been dead for several hours, Homo Habilis, the first handy man as he is called scavenging what is left from a giant hyena kill 2 million years ago. Cutting, scraping, and pulling a Homo Sapiens , modern man is field dressing a antelope it has killed. They both were using something that have evolved over millions of year, Homo Habilis made and used the first know stone tools, Homo Sapiens continued to develop and change the stone tools into what we use today as knives and tools. They were made to do almost anything, be durable and last as long as possible, and the time they take to make varies with complexity.
To Start off, there are so many different modern metals used for tools and knives from high carbon like 1095 to futuristic liquid metals. Stone tools were made with brittle and readily available stones such as chert, flint, and basalt. Although they are made with so many different materials the difference in use is not as big of a difference as it would appear. Modern knives are used for almost everything from cutting, to prying, and even as a hammer. Early period stone tools have been shown to be a jack of all trades tool used for scraping, cutting, and crushing. In Late and even some Middle period stone tools were being made a specialized tools to do a specific job like many of the tools used my Homo Sapiens. It was in those periods that you saw tools and blades become separate tools. Oldowan and Acheulean stone tools were the earliest stone tools. Today we have so many like the bowie, dagger, boot knife, and hunting knife. Today makers make the knives to last a life time and took as cool as possible. Back when Homo Habilis roamed they made tools that got the job done at the time with what was around and if it lasted for multiple uses even better. The early tools were used for many different things and even today there are still knives and tools made today that can do many different uses. One of the tested and proven multiple use tools is the Rat Cutlery H.E.S.T. it has a pry bar, a blade, bottle opener, wire cutter, and even a small space that can be used to store things. Old stone tools had a cutting edge for scrapping, cutting, and prying. It also had a blunt edge that was used for crushing and breanking.
Next, The durability of the tools is now something so important. First stone tools have lasted for millions of years they have stood the test of time and they are just made of simple and common stones such as chert, flint and basalt. Modern tools are made to last with constant use and some are even made to take abuse. They use titanium alloys like Beta-c, super steels such as SGPS and INFI, high carbon steels like 1095, and so many more like cobalt alloys and liquid metals. Stone tools often broke when they hit something just as hard. Modern tools are made to take a beating and keep going even when they hit something just as hard. And compared to stone tools modern tools have a amazing durability to weight ratio.
Finally, tools take time to make some can take minutes others can take months. The first stone tools were made by finding stones that naturally had the shape they needed and used it and as time went on Homo Habilis learned how to make the stone tools by a process called knapping. Knapping is taking a core stone and tapping it with a softer stone, bone or even an antler to break of a sharp piece. One of the first steels was made in India in 300 B.C. called Wootz was used to make tools of all kinds and it was exported to the middle east and to Europe. Another method for making stone tools is pressure flaking in which the Knapper takes the stone core and puts pressure on a small area with a pointed antler, bone or another stone and it breaks of a smaller even sharper edge. One of the most modern ways of making steel is Powder Metallurgy. It is the process in which a majority of modern super steels are made. A process that is even more advance and is being perfected is Amorphous metal. It is a non magnetic metal that is being used in cell phone and computer applications today, they are in the process of trying to use it in tools. It is different because it is stronger and lighter than titanium and is processed in a similar way to plastics.
In conclusion, with technology constantly changing, metal tools are much better than old stone tools. Benjamin Franklin once said “a good knife was never made from a bad steel” I interpreted that as what it is made of is what makes the tool good. So all-in-all modern tools are better because metal tools can do most anything, they have a greater durability, and are becoming easier and less time consuming to make.
what do you all think?
 
I'd heavily suggest avoiding the dagger and boot knife reference, stick to 'belt knife', 'Bowie', 'skinner', that sort of thing. As for the structure, not clear about what the assignment was, but your essay mostly illustrates a basic history of edged tools combined with the flashes to the present. Try and use more chronological order to make it easier to read, and try to use the HEST more as an illustration of modern tools rather than a direct improvement. The HEST is a good example, but thanks to the metallurgy you mentioned, even a pawn shop cheapie or a budget fixed blade is better than a knapped stone. The 1095 as a modern steel is the medium to focus on topic-wise when discussing the materials used for tools, along with what modern survivors look for as found in the modern knife. We don't really need to compete with homo habilis, just comparing 'the handyman' with a modern adventurer out with his RAT blade should be a good enough illustration without stating anything obvious.
 
AlexSchira said:
I'd heavily suggest avoiding the dagger and boot knife reference, stick to 'belt knife', 'Bowie', 'skinner', that sort of thing. As for the structure, not clear about what the assignment was, but your essay mostly illustrates a basic history of edged tools combined with the flashes to the present. Try and use more chronological order to make it easier to read, and try to use the HEST more as an illustration of modern tools rather than a direct improvement. The HEST is a good example, but thanks to the metallurgy you mentioned, even a pawn shop cheapie or a budget fixed blade is better than a knapped stone. The 1095 as a modern steel is the medium to focus on topic-wise when discussing the materials used for tools, along with what modern survivors look for as found in the modern knife. We don't really need to compete with homo habilis, just comparing 'the handyman' with a modern adventurer out with his RAT blade should be a good enough illustration without stating anything obvious.
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awesome thank you so much i shall add that in now and edit my post from above when i get it all worded right
 
I know this is off topic but wow, this whole concept is awesome! Being able to chat online with people around the world, and get a wealth of knowledge on a topic for a school assignment. I wish the internet, forums and forum friends were around when I was still in school. Back in my day I had to walk to the library uphill, both ways through the snow....OK that's a lie, I did half of my schooling (high school) on a warm tropical island in the Caribbean, but you know what I mean! LOL
Good on you guys for helping the guy out.

Good luck on your report Sean. :-)
 
seanystrangle said:
ok thank you for the advice. do you think i would get in trouble for calling it a knife?
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I don't know your school and I'm no lawyer but it is a knife so call it what it is. Especially if you can remind them that knives are tools. So many people eat out fast food these days that some forget the knife is the most important tool in the kitchen.
 
It sounds great. I try to avoid using "I" in papers...Also not sure if you need to cite your work. Also you said high carbon 1095 near the beginning and near the end. You might want to just say "carbon steels as well as futuristic steels" something like that...but all in all very good paper!
 
NaturalMystic said:
I know this is off topic but wow, this whole concept is awesome! Being able to chat online with people around the world, and get a wealth of knowledge on a topic for a school assignment. I wish the internet, forums and forum friends were around when I was still in school. Back in my day I had to walk to the library uphill, both ways through the snow....OK that's a lie, I did half of my schooling (high school) on a warm tropical island in the Caribbean, but you know what I mean! LOL
Good on you guys for helping the guy out.

Good luck on your report Sean. :-)
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thank you i shall let everyone know what i get on my paper when i know lol
 
hoopster said:
I don't know your school and I'm no lawyer but it is a knife so call it what it is. Especially if you can remind them that knives are tools. So many people eat out fast food these days that some forget the knife is the most important tool in the kitchen.
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i will try to do that to the best of my ability
 
velo0826 said:
It sounds great. I try to avoid using "I" in papers...Also not sure if you need to cite your work. Also you said high carbon 1095 near the beginning and near the end. You might want to just say "carbon steels as well as futuristic steels" something like that...but all in all very good paper!
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Thank you and im re-wording it now and ill will change all the I's i see thanks:)
i am so bad at english lol
 
I would make sure that the school officials are ok with you bringing the knife onto school grounds. With all the crazy school suspensions lately (the 6yr old and the Eagle scout for having a 2" locking in a kit in the trunk of his car) it would be prudent to let them know your plans. We all know that a knife is a tool but others look at them as objects to commit mass murder.
 
testosterone said:
I would make sure that the school officials are ok with you bringing the knife onto school grounds. With all the crazy school suspensions lately (the 6yr old and the Eagle scout for having a 2" locking in a kit in the trunk of his car) it would be prudent to let them know your plans. We all know that a knife is a tool but others look at them as objects to commit mass murder.
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i asked the teacher she said its ok i should prob ask the school president thank you!
 
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