If dropped in the woods with a sak..

They say that the best survival knife for you is the knife that you have on you when you find yourself in a survival situation. :)

I never willingly go anywhere without a good strong folder in my pocket (Chris Reeve Sebenza) because a survival situation, by definition, cannot be planned for. When I go into the woods, I also carry at least a fixed blade and a leatherman multitool. If I thought I was going to really be out there for a while on my own, I'd add in a hatchet.

I don't own a SAK because it seems like overkill to me what with the fixed blade, the folder and the leatherman. But if a SAK was all I had with me when I needed it, I'd feel damn lucky to have it so much better than our primitive ancestors.

On the other hand, when it comes to preparing fire, building shelters, preparing food, and performing any number of other chores in the great outdoors, there's nothing quite like a good fixed blade. So if bad things happened, that's what I would prefer to have on me.
 
possibly, i would prefer a multitool... depends on season, average temperature, abundance of edible plants, wild game that you could trap, available shelter materials and insulation, dangerous wild game in the area.... the factorable variables are practicly endless.
 
runningboar said:
Your studies of native American history vary greatly from mine. They murdered, raped and pillaged every thing they could, they starved to death in lean years and glutted in good, they ran entire herds of animals over cliffs and then only took the choice pieces and left the rest to rot. I am not trying to piss anyone off, but please, the Native Americans were some of the most brutal people that ever lived, several tribes idea of fun was torturing captured members of rival tribes. Chris
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I'm sure you where taught what you stated, i am sorry for you for that... your studies were taught by biased political propaganda, i didn't mean to cause a confrontation and with you... May your fires be smokeless and you never have to resort to brutality to feed your family respectfully, Michael
 
michael p said:
I'm sure you where taught what you stated, i am sorry for you for that... your studies were taught by biased political propaganda, i didn't mean to cause a confrontation and with you... May your fires be smokeless and you never have to resort to brutality to feed your family respectfully, Michael
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Likewise.

As far as brutality, that is nature itself, I do what I have to for me and mine.

I spent a good part of my life on an Indian reservation, who are you refering to as "my people". Chris
 
If i may add my one cent. I like to read the american indian history. Also the bushman in africa and other places. Even about the knights and the cruseders. I find it to be very Intresting. Im sorry to say that i agree with Chris about how they hunted. Its a known fact, atlist to some that they used to ran the bison of a cliff and im talking large numbers. They would skin them cut the tounge and some other choice meats. After all you can process so much meat. They needed the skins alot more then meat i guess. Yes some of them would pray over a dead animal and other things. But survival comes first. Why work hard when you can accomplish same with less work and less chance of getting hurt.

Sasha
 
Sasha, I think a lot of how things were interpreted, depended on who wrote the book. Many of the so called historians who wrote books concerning the many different nations, never took the time to get to know the peoples, their traditions or beliefs, so to them, leaving meat behind when they may be starving by winters end was wasteful and maybe even considered lazy. But to many of the peoples, leaving something for the rest of Creation was a respectful gesture of thanks and their beliefs of how it would help them in the future also played into it. Nothing goes to waste in the wild. Nothing!

If you had the choice of running the buffalo off of a cliff, or attacking them 1 at a time, risking your warriors lives and the lives of the now needed ponies, which would you choose? They also built corrals at the openings of box canyons and would run the animals into these and close them up. Killing them at their leisure and I can bet, that many pieces of choice meat were left on the ground, or hung in trees by each of the hunters, as an offering of thanks for the good hunt.

All is not as it seems and the only way to find out is to ask the people why they do what they do and in time, if they trust you, they might tell you. Or not. Another belief is that if you are talking, you aren't listening and really all anyone needs to do is listen and the truth is usually all around us to be heard.
 
Another belief is that if you are talking, you aren't listening and really all anyone needs to do is listen and the truth is usually all around us to be heard.


Hecheto. Wello, wello.

Codger

It has been said. And it is so, it is so.
 
Did the Native Americans use a SAK to process their kills after running them off the cliff? Seems we have strayed a bit from the topic.

:)
 
Codger cuts to the chase . Or should I say the jump .

Its tough for me , never having lived the life to comment on what was right or wrong . I do know that intelligence survives . People who make the wrong decisions usually do not survive .
 
Codger_64 said:
Your first post in the thread and you didn't answer the question? :D
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Understood, Codger. If dropped in the woods with only a SAK, I sure would try to survive..., heck, let's just say that I would.

"We" ... I guess I used the word because I have been following the thread for a while.

Now I have two posts in this thread....have we returned to the topic.

Thanks for setting me straight Codger.

:)
 
And... I've looked at those Bundeswehr knives a lot, mainly on County Comm. But just today I found them for about $26 US on Ebay, offered by some Feline charity group FelineVet, I think. At that price it's easy to justify picking up a couple to stash here and there. They're a lot like the Trailmaster, or Trekker models, both of which I really like.

Bear
 
Vivi said:
Were there any ergonomics problem on the OHT variant using the saw with the blade closed?
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I compared the OHT and the Trekker side by side and for me, the Trekker won hands down. All the tools are considerably more comfortable to use on the Trekker because of the absence of the hole hump. Also the Trekker's main blade grip isn't as restrictive as the OHT. When open, there was virtually no blade play on the Trekker. The OHT had noticable vertical blade play. Personally, I prefer the Trekker's plain edge to the OHT's serration.

In the end, the convenience of the OHT's one hand opening didn't outweigh the Trekker's other attributes.
 
I think I'll be going for the regular trekker. I've seen them for 25$ online so I'll have to order one at some point here.
 
Bear said:
And... I've looked at those Bundeswehr knives a lot, mainly on County Comm. But just today I found them for about $26 US on Ebay, offered by some Feline charity group FelineVet, I think. At that price it's easy to justify picking up a couple to stash here and there. They're a lot like the Trailmaster, or Trekker models, both of which I really like.

Bear
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FelineVet is a true SAK fan. You can check out their website here:http://felinevet.sosakonline.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1. Good people. I would highly recommend purchasing items through FelineVet if you're shopping online.
 
Can I survive in the wild with only a SAK of my choice?

Hell, I need more information here! Like for instance, do you want a single story, or multi story mini-mall? :D

Honestly, I believe I would do okay. It is not the perfect tool for the job, but should be able to manage with it....and perhaps make more tools.

I would be more concerned with the clothes on my back.
 
lots of victorionx fans here I see.
The shame is many of them will never use a Wenger, which
is a true blue offical swiss army knife, both are.
Victorionox recently bought Wenger, actually, but it keeps production seperate.
 
I'm ex military and do rainforest regeneration these days. I use the pliers on my multi-tool almost daily, but then again I'm constantly dealing with small machines like augers or injectors etc. Pliers are handy when dealing with technology or fences etc. So pliers (for me) are less handy when 'totally' in the bushthat is when I reach for my sheath knife, a good cutting implement to cut roots, sedges etc.; a sharp blade is the first thing you need in the 'real' bush, a pair of pliers is very handy when in the bush but dealing with wire, machinery etc. I carry both, but in my job I use pliers a great deal.
 
I'm a strong believer in backing up a multitool(or sak) with a fixed blade. My knuckles are just to valuable to me I'n a survival situation to take the chance, I know many may never have that happen, heck I haven't had it happen to me, but I'd rather not take the chance, just a personal prefrence.
 
Vivi said:
My question is what do people carry multi-tools in the woods for? I haven't found much of a use for pliers in the outdoors, and aside from that they don't really do anything better than a SAK, plus they usually weigh about 4 times as much.
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I prefer my Charge Ti to any SAK. It is the lightest weight possible for the given set of tools and features. There are many things I use the pliers for, cutting wire, bending/fixing bindings and climbing gear, pot grabber, reaching a match or lit stick or candle into the fire, grabbing leaches, generally grabbing things I can't grip well enough with my fingers to pull.... I also use the file for sharpening tools, sharpening or making other things, fixing a finger nail... But the main things I really like about the Charge Ti are the higher quality blade and the fact that I can open overything one handed easily and more safely than I can my SAKs.

I have concidered carrying a SAK Fieldmaster and a LM Squirt with plairs, which basically gives me the same set of tools as the Charge Ti. (The pliers and file on the Squirt are fine for most things I use them for.) But that set up weights about the same as the Charge Ti and lacks the locking tools, high quality blade steel and easy safe one hand opening - so back to the multi-tool.

Will
 
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