If united cutlery is POS what about Hibben?

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I always thought he had the coolest looking throwers, but how is his knives custom or not in general?
 
You DO give new meaning to the word "sniper".
Did you decide that United was a POS or did someone tell you ?
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United do come out with some(IMO) "dubious " stuff but it is aimed at a market. A market that wants "cool" designs and can't afford the originals. I used to criticize these people until I realized that they had a right to be served.
And Gil Hibben.....well, A person has to eat.
His fantasy knives are not my cup of tea but, to each :his own.

Damn ! I really hate it when I can't help snapping at the troll's bait.

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[This message has been edited by brian w edginton (edited 15 December 1999).]
 
I don't see United as a POS either.
They give a lot of people satisfaction and enjoyment at a reasonable price.
 
If your trying to draw some fire, by your thread, I hope you get it, BOY!
UC, might not be what you're looking for, that's fine, a lot of people who know a lot more about knives than you do, like them.

You don't know Gil Hibben or his work, why would you broadcast your ignorance?

"It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt."
 
United Cultery has probably made more knife collectors than all other brands put together in recent years. I think they should be applauded not ridiculed.

Gil is a personal friend and he and United is perhaps what started the custom collaboration market we all now love!

Yes most of United knives are POS's when compared to the rest of the market. What is Frost Cutlery then?

Many of the knived from United are made by Camillus and I for one can tell you those models Kick A Lot of ASS! The Jungle Machette I am testing is doing VERY well!

In fact so well, I bought some to sell here!

Not to mention I now own www.united-cutlery.com
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pow...pow...pow...Nice shootin' Mike, I think you put him back in his hole.

'Nuff said BOY?
 
I'm surprised at the response to that question -- I ridicule United Cutlery knives all the time ... of course, I ridicule a lot of things....

UC throwers aren't bad. If they make anything else that's worth buying all I can say is I haven't seen it. Frankly I'm surprised to hear that machete is doing well in the tests -- I'm looking forward to those tests ... considering the price, though (for a machete) it certainly *ought* to be usable....

I hope you're giving that partial tang handle attachment a good thorough test, Mike. I am not against partial tangs; they can be fine if made right, but so many aren't that everybody is suspicious of them.

The knives Gil Hibben makes himself, by hand, are entirely different.

-Cougar Allen :{)
 
Everything they make is worth buying to somebody.
If you're looking for a survival knife you don't buy a dragon lord but for a fun knife to display and enjoy owning they're fine to a lot of people. Not all people buy knives for the same reason. Is there a problem with a person buying a fantasy knife because they like the way it looks and it gives them pleasure to own and doesn't cost a lot of money?
 
Cougar.
There's a way to ridicule something and be clever, you have that gift.
Some are just not clever.
 
UC puts out fairly decent stuff. They have drawn more people into the fold than many of the "elite" makers. 420j isn't exactly the best steel around(I know, its crap steel), but, the hibben throwers are tough and maintain a serviceable edge. I have a feeling that these might not be 420j. (anyone know for sure?) I have wrapped dozens of these for friends and others in the "Hartsfield/piorek tradition" complete with menuki and Silk or nylon cord. They make nice medium duty utility knives.
United Cutlery may not be Spyderco, but they're sure as hell not Frost!
-Redleg out.

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The throwers are 420-J2, but who needs edge-holding in a thrower?

UC fantasy knives are a better deal than Franklin Mint knives (see my review of a Franklin Mint dagger from a couple of weeks ago). (Talk about damning with faint praise....)
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I don't know; if Camillus is making some models selling under the UC brand ... I guess I can overcome my prejudice enough to look at them. I have nothing against Camillus; I have a couple of their knives and like them.

-Cougar Allen :{)
 
Camillus made the Jungle Machete and the SEAL fighting knife, both designed by George Lainhart. They also made the T2 Dagger and a few other knives. Most of the US made UC stuff is by Camillus.

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UC aims their line at a certain market. They are for people who like to "Look, but don't Touch" and are used for wall hangers. I think this is fine, if that is what you are into. As others have said before, as long as it gives someone some enjoyment at a reasonable price, then more power to them.

I have been restoring, buying and selling cars for many years and there is an old saying that fit's the United Cutlery line to a tee.."There's an A$$ for every seat"

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POS or not. I love their stuff as fun knives to use. Yes... I admit I buy their stuff. Hey, their FUN knives! I even have a paratrooper knife from UC. I like opening and closing it in one hand. Kinda' like playing with the balisong.
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Not only knives, even their blowguns for the price are a steal.


PhilL - no need to be hard on sniper's comment. Maybe sniper's not aware of it. Maybe it's just a matter of wanting to know w/o trolling or flaming some UC lovers if it's true or not.
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[This message has been edited by Rommel (edited 16 December 1999).]
 
No press is bad press as long as they spell your name right. Can't find many people interested in knives who haven't heard of UC, and hell Microsoft is the UC of the OS world and they are the frigging giant! (for now)
 
Gentleman,

I seem to recall that we once entertained a thread in which one of our non-US members asked, "What does POS mean?". I seem to recall that I was the only man here bold enough to risk the wrath of our gracious hosts by answering. I also seem to recall that I defined it as "Piece of Scrap-metal.

Inasmuchas Mr. Redleg has kindly explained that the 420j UC favors is all but scrap metal, perhaps POS is the correct term.

In fact, as I remember the aforementioned thread, I gave a usage example for POS that was something like, "That Gil Hibben by United Cutlery fantasy knife is a POS." I also seem to recall that it got quite a laugh at the time.

Myself, I have only examined a G.H. by UC piece briefly a couple of times and was totally unimpressed. I recall a whole collection that was offered in NW Knives and Collectibles about maybe a year ago, all NIB, and offered for 1/2 their original price. I seem to recall that they did not sell the first month and were back a 1/3 original price the second month. I seem to recall hearing that they did not sell the second month. Granted, NWK&C tends to cater to a slightly more upscale clientele.

The question is this: On the wall in the other room, I have a painting by Monet. It's worth $15,000,000. I know that because the Portland Art Museum recently bought one just like it and they paid 15 Million for it --- of course, they have the original and mine is a print of a photograph. Nevertheless, I like my Monet.

Those of us who can not afford a real Monet can at least enjoy a cheap print. So, I guess that those who can't afford a real knife might enjoy a cheap POS.

I seem to recall paying about $20 for my Monet, and another $25 for the frame. That means my cheap print (which, I think, really looks nice) cost 0.0003% of the cost of a real Monet.

The objection I have to G.H. by UC stuff is that isn't not that much cheaper than a good knife. For the cost of two G.H. by UC pieces, you can by a splendid real knife. For the cost of three to five G.H. by UCs, you could get into a nice custom that might even have a prayer of holding its value as a collectible.

So, personally, I think they're a bad value for their price.


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okay I just read the first line to mr. edington's post. I knew I should've been more clear lest I start a flame war.. i had READ that unites was labeled POS. I have no right to back this up and am merely curious. I own the hibben throwers and think they are actually quite nice. anyways to read posts..

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