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Most of you probably know about this site, but for those that don't and you are wanting a Survival Kit this may be a good place to start. I read his book "Build the Perfect Survival Kit" A great book if Kits are your thing.

The site is www.bepreparedtosurvive.com


Alot of good info and Kits!

FYI I am just passing this on for information purpose only to help out those who may need it, I have no affiliation with that site or its founder.


RickJ
 
You can also find out about where the author collected all of his ideas from here.

www.equipped.org

or here

www.survival.com and watch the PSK DVD Ron Hood sells.

Rick, I'm not going to say why I won't second your recommendation as it is well known here. I'm just going to say the ideas presented in the book can be found elsewhere and there are authors and outdoorsman more worthy of praise than JM of that website.

I can't recommend anyone going there but can't stop you if you do.
 
I agree there are people out there with great outdoor skills, and I am not a big JM supporter, the only thing I Know of this guy is 1. His book and 2. his site, his kits are pretty good If you do not want to take the time to build your own and that was the only point I was trying to make.

RickJ
 
Overall, a good collection of info, but not up to date on water purification. AS previously noted, the CDC, EPA, Red Cross, and U.S. military are not big boosters of iodine (his favorite) or even chlorine hydroxide ("bleach") due to the variables impacting effect, some very hard to measure in the field (ph of water; level of dissolved minerals; level of dissolved organics; temp.; time of treatment; dosage). Better than nothing is more accurate.
 
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Here is a good pic that sums up the author

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:eek::eek::eek::eek::D
 
What did this guy do? as I said before all I know of him is his book and the website, I have not purchased any of his products but If I were looking for a starter Survival kit may not be a bad place to start.

RickJ
 
Rick,

PT me if you really want to know. You can also search the forum and find out on your own.
 
You can also find out about where the author collected all of his ideas from here.

www.equipped.org

or here

www.survival.com and watch the PSK DVD Ron Hood sells.

Don't we all do this and who owns the ideas? I'm in the process of writing a book on survival kits myself. I have not read the book on survival kits that this fellow has written but mine will have various acknowledgements in it and one of them is for this very forum.

Rick, I'm not going to say why I won't second your recommendation as it is well known here. I'm just going to say the ideas presented in the book can be found elsewhere and there are authors and outdoorsman more worthy of praise than JM of that website.

I was less than impressed with the newspaper article done on this fellow some months ago where he said that screwdrivers on knives like SAKs were of no real use because he has never had to unscrew a tree...and it's more likely that the journalist doing the story said that the guy's "own recipe" for firestarters was PJ/Cottonballs...if the guy told the journalist that, then he's obviously full of himself, but journalists juice up articles like this with statements like that all of the time.

It's also interesting to note that one of Ron's supporters is a friend of this gentleman and said so over on Hood's Woods over the summer and not a word was spoken ill of the man. I believe it was a moderator on Hood's Woods or someone close to Ron Hood.

Who owns all of this stuff? Does this guy really deserve any condemnation besides making a stupid statement about unscrewing trees in the forest or perhaps words that a journalist put in his mouth about vaseline-saturated cotton balls? Seems rather unfair to me really.

I've been into this stuff for a long time. I purchased Paul Risk's book when it was brand new on the market and he had a lot of ideas that were carried out by Ron Hood and Doug Ritter, where does an accusatory witch hunt begin and end with all of this stuff?

Back around 1986, Leroy Thompson published a book through Paladin Press, "Survival/Fighting Knives." He had a chapter on pocket survival kits and various items to put in them, etc., and mentions specifically a tobacco tin pocket sized survival kit marketed by "J. Wiseman." Is everyone, including Ron Hood and Doug Ritter ripping off the SAS? Of course not. Further, in Ron's Survival Kits DVD, he has a small, thick-walled, zip-lok type of container for the "Mini-Kit." Did Doug Ritter rip him off because Doug chose, years later, to utilize the same basic concept for a pocket-carried kit?

Again, of course not.

I don't own this guy's book, I have never communicated with him in any way. I just looked at his website and he actually sells Doug's AMK Kit. I don't see where the hostility is coming from except for the fact he is making money and showing off "knife fighting" scars to a journalist. While the latter might be scuz-self-promotion, the former seems to be what is pissing people off, that he is making money.

Last article I read, Tom Brown has two or three Hummers and a house to die for in an exclusive area of New Jersey. By the looks of Ron Hood's house in Karen's DVDs, they have done well for themselves and Ron also has, or had, a Hummer. He had it up for sale over the summer. They have both run classes for years, Ron had VHS then DVD and Brown had books...

Problem?
 
I was thinking the same thing, did Doug Ritter steal Ron Hoods PSK idea, no I don't think so, I have several of Doug's kit, some are as purchased another has been modified by me by adding a few extra things to it. Unless someone can really point out something this guy has done that is really wrong, I will take him on his face value as being OK! Also I am not a super Survival Expert, I have had a little training from the U.S Army and the 10th MTN Div and 17 years this month on active duty. I have spent more time living in the woods than most but again I am not an expert but do know a little and I don't think this guy is so jacked up that he woulld put my life or anyone else at risk. And no I do not live in New York now, far west Texas at this time.

RickJ
 
This is on his site, if it really came from Ron Hood, then that is all I need. He is talking about the book "Build the Perfect Survival Kit" I just copied and pasted from JM's website.

RickJ


Ron Hood - Hoods Woods

Part of Ron's Foreword to the book

John is no opportunist in this book. What I mean by this is that he hasn't just created a bunch of showy kits and offered them up as "do-this-and-you-will-survive" kits. He has actually taken hundreds of products, tested them and then worked them to their limits and beyond. He has taken the surviving products and placed them in arrangements that allow them to form mutually supporting kits that are not only effective and usable, they are dependable and reasonable to assemble. They are also fun to make.

Not happy to leave us with functional and tested assemblies, John has gone into the philosophy of kits and explained the hows and whys of each piece of gear so the readers can decide for themselves what they want in their own personal kits. It is in the customization of survival kits that we find true utility. A custom kit will be used while a "kit in a can" might languish in a glove compartment or pack, forgotten.

I've seen literally thousands of kits over the 35 years I've been teaching survival. Most of them are in a class I'd call "keepers"; you keep them till you need them. The problem with those sorts of kits is that when and if a need arises you might not recognize it and could fail to utilize the components to your potentially everlasting grief. This is because of the very human desire to conserve resources you don't really understand. Another feature of "keepers" is that even if you wish to employ them, you might not know how the components work or how they might work synergistically. John has solved those problems. When you finish this eminently readable journey through gear and application, you will know your kit, you will carry it, and you will use it at the least provocation. That is what a real survival kit is all about.

A survival kit is the epitome of innovation, and the book you hold in your hands will start you on the path to a new sort of creative thinking. Now take my advice, bring the book to the cashier and buy it. John will take it from there.
 
When you Q as an Expert with a rifle or pistol and you drop one shot too many the next time because you had to sneeze, fart, belch or you just screwed something up...then they bump you down to "Marksman" or "Sharpshooter," does it really mean you're not operating on an Expert Level with a rifle or pistol?

Being an "expert" just means you have nothing left to learn. I think most of us in this forum that read and post a lot can operate on an expert level. Unless I am REALLY injured, it's quite likely that getting lost in the woods for me would be about like the worst night of camping I have had to endure and you know what? That's not really like the worst day of work I have had to endure.

I have a hard time, a really hard time, mustering a good give-a-shit about slamming this guy when I was reading about this stuff in 1983 (kits). Along with killing rabbits and squirrels with a wrist rocket and eating them by a campfire before I was a teenager.

Paul Risk's book, I mentioned it before, he had pictures and descriptions of survival kits in module form from a company called Four Seasons Survival. They make the Spark-Lite, who "owns" all of this stuff?
 
Hey Don, I just wanted to comment on a few things you mentioned -

Don't we all do this and who owns the ideas?

The people who owned the ideas, have long since vanished. There is very little that is new under the sun, in fact, we are pursuing the 'old' (skills) generally. Every survival instructor is just rehashing things that he/she learned from others along the way, for the most part, although he or she might add their own takes on it..

Actually, this applies to the whole spectrum of knowledge/education, not just survival techniques/equipment.

I was less than impressed with the newspaper article done on this fellow some months ago where he said that screwdrivers on knives like SAKs were of no real use because he has never had to unscrew a tree...and it's more likely that the journalist doing the story said that the guy's "own recipe" for firestarters was PJ/Cottonballs...if the guy told the journalist that, then he's obviously full of himself, but journalists juice up articles like this with statements like that all of the time.

I took a quick look in his book where he dealt with SAK's and he doesn't mention anything like that, that I could see, and, coupled with my own distrust of journalists................

It's also interesting to note that one of Ron's supporters is a friend of this gentleman and said so over on Hood's Woods over the summer and not a word was spoken ill of the man. I believe it was a moderator on Hood's Woods or someone close to Ron Hood.

Actually, IIRC, said author appears in one of Ron Hood's videos.

Don Rearic said:
Being an "expert" just means you have nothing left to learn.

Doesn't that make an "expert" a mythical character? :confused: What would you say to somebody that says he has nothing left to learn?

Don Rearic said:
Paul Risk's book, I mentioned it before, he had pictures and descriptions of survival kits in module form from a company called Four Seasons Survival. They make the Spark-Lite, who "owns" all of this stuff?

An overview of what Don's referring to:

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A closer view:

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To sum up my position, I don't care where the information comes from, short of a Jeffery Dahlmer cook book, I'll take it.

(In case the foregoing is a exercise in rambling, blame it on the 10 year old Wiser's and Coke :thumbup: :D )

Doc
 
I think, thought, that we should mention that there has to be some version of intellectual property.

If someone thinks up something - it should be theirs - if someone rips that idea off - with no credit - it is wrong.

I like to give ideas away - but if I think something up that I want to keep - I think I have the right to do so.

If Four Seasons sold that kit - and the Author does not recognize that - he is not representing himself morally. Illegal - probably not - immoral - likely.

TF
 
I read the book. Not a lot of new information in there (for most readers of this forum at least) but he did have a couple ideas that I hadn't thought of. Of course, probably all the information could be found in other books and online, but the author does deserve some credit for consolidating them into print.

As for intellectual property, I'm not sure how a person can go about securing "ownership" of his ideas. Certainly, they can pursue trademark/patent/copyright law and see where that takes them. But I don't think it would apply to the ideas themselves, only the product and label.

For example, I have been using my own version of Mercop's "MercHarness" for almost 15 years now. Did he steal my idea? Certainly not, he came to a simlar idea and design through his own experience. Can I now be sued for using his idea and technology? Of course not! Unless I were to try to manufacture, market, and sell an identical product under the same name - then I'm sure someone representing CRKT would be sending papers.

But back on topic, a decent book with some good ideas (original or otherwise) and a easy read especially for someone new to building kits.
 
I think, thought, that we should mention that there has to be some version of intellectual property.

If someone thinks up something - it should be theirs - if someone rips that idea off - with no credit - it is wrong.

I like to give ideas away - but if I think something up that I want to keep - I think I have the right to do so.

If Four Seasons sold that kit - and the Author does not recognize that - he is not representing himself morally. Illegal - probably not - immoral - likely.

TF

I hope I didn't give the impression that intellectual property should be ignored, but to gather a bunch of survival things and put them in a container can hardly be considered intellectual property.

Doc
 
Regurgitating at least some of someone else's ideas is common, almost unavoidable.
As long as you credit your sources you are ok.
You just need to acknowledge those who have come before.
With any kind of academic/professional writing you always need to acknowledge/cite your sources.
The tricky part is differentiating between what is truly "common" knowledge and what is new knowledge originating from a specific individual.
The former requires no citation, the latter does require citation.
And then sometimes two or more people can come up with the same idea independent of each other.
Or sometimes you think you have come up with something new when actually you have just independently arrived at a conclusion/idea that unbeknownst to you someone else has previously originated/published as original material.
 
Battle of the gurus. Hilarious. I can't abide the guru thing at the best of times, and with stuff like this it becomes comical. Rank order is useful when it is with stuff we can measure; chess matches won, points scored, bulls hit, etc., but how the the hell can one determine anything absolute in such a woolly category as this. As I see it this is a clear example of where the appearance of rank is directly related to the ability to leverage money from others. The appearance of knowledge is indeed a route to power, and a power that is readily converted into cash. He that claims to be the original authentic Grand Wazoo has a lot to gain by yelling that, or promoting that by default as he allocates an inferior rank to others. What a mess. It is the ugly face of this outdoor business and I dislike it intensely. Although I suppose it is inevitable when people do this stuff as a business. Personally I find more tranquility in an afternoon watching a Welsh hill farmer rounding sheep. If I learn a trick in the process then great. If he learns a trick off me that's fine by me. Epistemology is not a factor. I don't need to know how he knows, and I'm never likely to tell him how I learned mine. The only hard commodity that changed hands was perhaps a few cigarettes and may be a couple of pints of beer. Man I hate gurus. End rant.


I did notice on this page the 10'*12' silnylon tarps for $99.99. That's a whopper and ideal for a buddy up to reduce weight, or for those of us that take woman and dog, and need to get two bergans under it too. Dunno how well that compares to others you may find in the US, but translated into English that is very competitive. In fact you'd be hard pushed to find many tarps that size here for about £50.
 
Well.... another source of information on kits, Les Stroud's book, Survive. Only read about 100 pages so far, but it is a easy read, has good solid info on kits and more.

(This goes back to the first two posts) :)
 
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