If you do not own a Leafstorm, do not read

I rarely post on this parts, but this thread just made me go by a freaking Leafstorm..:D
 
This has all back fired on marcengels.....Two new Leafstorm owners waiting for the mail man....you can't bash a good knife !
 
Lycosa said:
Hot diggetty dogg!! :thumbup:
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This was an honest case of a knife reaching its limits, and the user not being able to adjust the stop pin.
I'm sure you can use the knife as hard as a Strider with no drastic effect. Just don't strip your handle screws.

I also want to buy a few now, just to see if I can beat one to the point of no return (doubtful without harsh abuse).
Fantastic knife.
 
I don't understand this "extreme" knife use at all. If one wants to push a knife's limits, use a FB.
 
Lycosa said:
I don't understand this "extreme" knife use at all. If one wants to push a knife's limits, use a FB.
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And where in this thread is there some indication of "'extreme' knife use"?

I reread the entire thread and see no hammering, pounding, stepping on, etc.
 
tazkristi said:
marcengels,
We would be happy to take a look at both of your Leaf Storms. We can't make any judgment on what is happening or has happened without seeing the knives in person. It's just not possible based on information (or pictures) posted on a forum. If you send them in to W&R, please include all your contact information and exactly what happened with each knife. Please also reference my post and R&D will take a look.

Kristi
(Also posted on our site forums)
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You're as bad as that Chris Reeve feller. Just when the boys are havin' fun bashin' and a hashin' you come in here and spoil it all!

Ok, lets try this again: I just got insider's information that, at the age of 7 years old, Sal Glesser actually stepped on a crack. We all know what that leads to, and he comes in here now with his shiny footprints and all. He should be ashamed!!;)
 
If you take a folder and push on it with all your might, I don't think it's a stretch to say that it would affect lockup.
I don't think the knife was abused, but I do think the amount of wear is predictable, and the knife was produced with that in mind (adjustable stop pin).
 
Joshua J. said:
If you take a folder and push on it with all your might, I don't think it's a stretch to say that it would affect lockup.
I don't think the knife was abused, but I do think the amount of wear is predictable, and the knife was produced with that in mind (adjustable stop pin).
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For the average male, I don't see why one would expect such an affect to a quality knife with a metal frame or liners, even after repeated such uses.

I've done such and seen much larger men than me do such with no ill affacts to a knife's lock-up. These knives were everthing from cheap Gerbers and Bucks to some pretty pricey items.

Admittedly, I have seen weak knives break, though. Usually these where the cheap full plastic framed knives, knives one would fully expect to break under even a relatively mild load.

One issue could be the use of an eccentric stop pin. I've got only a handfull of knives with this feature and all but one suffer from the pin moving. Red locktite doesn't help for long - once the pin starts moving, it keeps on moving. Eccentric stop pins are nice in theory, but on the scale (size) of a knife I think they should remain an idea and not be an actuality.

I thought Spyderco got rid of the eccentric pivot pin from the Military design when manufacturing tolerances made the feature redundant. Why is a similar feature on the Leafstorm?

Sloppy manufacturing tolerances or poor materials? Not from what I can tell. Wear? Could be, but I haven't had any of my ti framelocks wear to such an extent yet. Unneccessary feature more than likely.

If my Leafstorm's stop pin starts rotating, I know how to fix the issue at least: replace the offending part with a properly sized conventional stop pin. Hopefully this will be done by the maker and I won't have to play machinist.
 
orthogonal1 said:
I thought Spyderco got rid of the eccentric pivot pin from the Military design when manufacturing tolerances made the feature redundant. Why is a similar feature on the Leafstorm?
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Exactly.
I don't think it's out of the question that break in for the G-10 scale produces more play than your average steel lined scale. I always notice a change in lockup when I use a Military hard for the first time (or any knife for that matter). It's important to note that after it's first hard use, lockup won't change much from there.
 
Well after some quick hunting (not saying these are be all end all accurate, but they should suffice).

G10 Modulus of Elasticity 2,700,000 psi
Ti Modulus of Elasticity 16,500,000 psi

I really doubt material is to blame at all in this case.

Fact of the matter is the 2 lock faces just don't line up sweetly. I've seen 2 Leafs that do the same thing, the lock can easily be pushed over under only 1-2lbf. I'm not saying it's not locking fine, I'm just saying that my Leaf that DOES have good engaement and the lock faces do line of well won't slide over under much weight, and it clicks in with authority. The other just pops into place, and moves over easily.

What I'm trying to say is that when the lock faces mate cleanly and properly applying force to the blade or to the lock bar won't move the lock bar or change the engagement. If they don't mate cleanly then it can be moved with force on the blade or on the lock bar.

I have one Leaf that is amazing and perfect, another that I'll be sending to Spyderco. I received it NIB with a chipped screw and the lock is gimpy. Not saying that every knife is going to pass QC and be perfect, some will pass that should get worked on a bit.
 
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