If your blade folds

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Something in another thread (Is 3" Enough for Bushcraft and Wilderness Survival? http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=698437) got me thinking. We all know that some people nowadays seem to recoil in horror when we pull out a knife to perform some ordinary task. Has anyone noticed that they become even more upset when the knife we pull out is a fixed blade as opposed to a folder? Given exactly the same blade length, do people go "Eeek! A knife!" more with a fixed blade? I wonder what the psychology is behind those reactions?
 
I wonder what the psychology is behind those reactions?

One of the worst things about psychiatry and psychology is the fact that they don't have a simple diagnosis for a crazy person. The psychology behind those reactions are...people are mentally ill. Paranoid. Irrational fear. Whatever. Or...stupid or desiring to control their fellow man.
 
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It's odd that people react the way they do. For instance, I have a little slippie pocket knife that doesn't seem to raise an eyebrow, even when I take it to the VA hospital with me, yet if I were to take a beefier folder (like my Buck 112, which actually has a shorter blade than my pocketknife), the alarms would go off, and they would take it away from me. Who knows what would happen if I took a fixed blade of the same length? They'd probably lock me up.
 
No I find most people react more to a folding knife than a fixed blade unless it is a honking fixed blade. Of course the rules change depending on circumstances. Most of you guys are really great, but lets face it. When you shave your head (or have long hair), sport a 4" goatee, where sunglasses, have tatoos covering both arms and are sitting on top of your Harley most people become alarmed whether you have a knife in your hand or not.

Me, with my gray hair and friendly dress, I can walk anywhere with a classy little fixed blade fixed to my belt and nobody will bat an eye. In fact, most people see my knife sheath and just assume its some kind of blackberry or something like that. I try not to do things like pick my teeth with my knife in public.
 
Okay, Ken, good looking older gentlemen — such as ourselves — may be able to get away with a little more than some other folks but, here in Southern California, people seem to freak more at the sight of a fixed blade than at a folder. Illogical, I know, but there it is.
 
I've actually had the opposite reaction, especially from some women.

The past year, I've had a problem with a few tendons in my left hand. One operation last year on my thumb, and another tomarow. I've been using pocket fixed blades because folders have become an inconvienient pain in the hand for me to deal with. On the few occasions I've taken one out to cut something, I've gotten very possitive comments from a few of the womenfolk. At first they seem curious, and ask "What's that?" and I expect a sheeple outburst. I show them the knife and they take it and look at it, really look at it, and they like it. Sometimes it's my Mike Miller pocket fixed blade with the girraffe bone handles and mosiac pin work in the bone handles, sometimes it's been my little Roselli grandmothers knife. Once in a while it's my Buck Hartsook. One woman made the comment about the Miller knife on how 'pretty' it was, and another liked the fact that there was no blade to open and nothing to manipulate. They all liked the idea of one in thier purse. Somebody else made the comment that they thought it made more sense than a folder, easy to clean up after use. Like a small parring knife.

One friend of my better halfs loved the Hartsook so much, I bought her ne for her birthday. Now it lives in her purse as her mail opener, orange peeler, and plastic blister package opener. It made a convert out of a non knife female in liberal Montgomery county Maryland. Go figure.

I think it depends on the knife.
 
I try not to do things like pick my teeth with my knife in public.
Sorry for OT, but scratching a teeth with hardened steel harms the enamel - so i try to avoid using my knife for this task..

@ topic: Perhaps pulling the closed folder acts as some kind of a preparation.

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It it is easy to understand how a folder can be more scary than a fixed blade. When you think about it, most people dont carry knives, so any size of blade is going to make them feel equally disarmed.

If you pull out an assisted opening tactical folder and whip it out of your pocket like you are ready for combat -only to peel a kiwi -then you will probably freak someone out. For people who carry one hand openers -it is really easy to make someone think your intent is violent -since they fly out of the pocket and open simultaneously -and your end grip is usually kind of defensive looking.

The more elegant the knife, the less it will seem like a weapon. The smaller the knife, the better your chances are that it wont raise eyebrows. Anything tactical is going to look like a weapon -if this is what you carry, just be mindful of how you deploy it -as long as you are graceful you will create less suspicion from others. Dont attack the kiwi, just simply peel it.

After that there is really nothing you can do. It is best just to let them watch, learn, and hopefully the fear goes away. I cant say that I encounter very many freaked out people anyway.
 
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i usually only use my SAK OHT in public....but i do carry a koyote bushcrafter at all times.

ive never really seen anyone recoil in fear when i have a knife. i figure most sheeple are sheeple by nurture....watching too much foxnews and negative media. honestly i dont even waste my thoughts on what sheeple do or care about. :)
 
Complaining about 'sheeple' will be the downfall of the knife enthusiast community, in my humble opinion. It is dismissive, and it serves to affirm and reinforce a misunderstanding of knives, rather than educating people about them.

It's true - many people have an irrational aversion to knives, or to certain types of knives. But it is rare, in my experience, for this aversion to be completely resistant to positive change. I recommend talking things over with people, sharing your appreciation for fine craftsmanship, discussing the importance and usefulness of a reliable EDC knife, and giving knives as gifts. Most importantly, I reccomend acknowledging people's unease around knives. Their feelings may not make any sense to those of us in the knife community, but that doesn't mean that we can simply dismiss them.

Best,

- Mike
 
Complaining about 'sheeple' will be the downfall of the knife enthusiast community, in my humble opinion. It is dismissive, and it serves to affirm and reinforce a misunderstanding of knives, rather than educating people about them.

I agree

I think we are actually the irrational ones sometimes. I might get a "double-check" kind of glance from someone, but I have never experienced anyone actually freaking out before.
 
In North Dakota the sight of a knife doesn't draw much attention. It is more how you handle it or carry it. If you are not looking threatening, you probably won't be hardly noticed. Most all of the farmers and construction workers carry a Buck or similar folding knife sheath. About three months of the year there are hunting seasons open so any kind of knife is pretty normal to see.

Probably 90 percent of the people carry folders. Todays good folders really give up darn little to small fixed blades.

Which one looks more threatening to the sheeple?
 

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Given exactly the same blade length, do people go "Eeek! A knife!" more with a fixed blade?


No. The little fixed of mine I pictured in that thread really is my EDC knife.

I have used it everywhere, heck even in the middle of a packed Walmart parking lot. I don't flash it around, I simply remove my hand from my front pocket. Most of the time no one notices till I am putting it away.

I do sometimes get looks of confusion from non knife people when they see my knife doesn't fold. You see it takes them a few extra seconds to understand that there is a sheath inside my pocket, and it doesn't just go in there loose.:confused:
 
Dreamland.

Tell the arachnophobic that spiders are actually good for the world, etc. Pick your fantasy.
 
My kind of blade maybe looks more like kitchen knife or
wood working tool than tactical something.

At least I hope. :D
 
Are you saying irrational fears can't be cured or at least curved? Because I disagree with you.

Of course they can. When someone is terrified to go outside, they can receive psychotherapy to cure them of their agoraphobia, etc. Are you suggesting that on a national level we get people who don't like or tolerate knives, guns or self-defense on the shrink's couch? I'm all for it.
 
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