John_B
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His account was made on April 1st. So I'm Automatically suspicious !
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I'm a steel snob
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Spyderco UK Penknife Leaf Shape folding knife C94PBK
CTSBD1 92€
Spyderco UK Penknife Lightweight Dark Blue folding knife C94PDBL
S110V 154€
That is 60% more because it's S110V...and apparently it's unsharpenable without Diamond Stones or Boron Carbide. It's a non locking lightweight pen knife. It cuts apples and strings and plastic wrappers....
CTSBD1 92€
Spyderco UK Penknife Lightweight Dark Blue folding knife C94PDBL
S110V 154€
That is 60% more because it's S110V...and apparently it's unsharpenable without Diamond Stones or Boron Carbide. It's a non locking lightweight pen knife. It cuts apples and strings and plastic wrappers....
A lot of people fail to understand that.
I worked in sales long enough to know that worst buys are absolute premium (rip-off, and stuff like Rockstead go into that category) and absolutely cheapest stuff (gas station knives would go in that category).
Performance goes up rapidly with every price increase coming from low end into mid range, all the way up to high end. Only at high end one can't see significant improvements anymore. But many knife companies don't even go into that area though.
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In case anyone hasn't gone down this rabbit hole: http://knifesteelnerds.com/
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I think that's what Kershaw's Filter is made from.
Back before I knew anything about knives and steels, I loved that knife, and thought the steel was great. I probably thought it was great because it was so easy to get arm-hair shaving sharp. Of course it lost the edge quickly.
The knife was heavy, thick and only had tip down carry.
I didn't care, I loved it.
Graduated to a Kershaw Link in 420HC, gifted the Filter to a friend. He loved the knife, too.
I thought the 420HC Link was the Bee's Knees, man! I could get that knife so stupid-sharp I would cut potatoe chip bags and not feel it. Gifted that one to a friend too, who also loved it.
Sometimes ignorance is bliss. Sometimes I miss my more uneducated days, because I found a lot more fun in the inexpensive knives at the time. Now I'm just ruined and I'm addicted to Spyderco's and Cold Steels.
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I think you guys are too harsh to the OP.
You forget that people like him are main reason why this industry is pushing forwards. If we all settled with "good enough" then we'd all just use AUS8, 420HC, 1075, 1095 and D2. There would be no reason to use and develop better steels if there's no demand for it.
After checking OP post history I gathered this:
1. He likes tough budget knives (beaters)
2. He doesn't care about Magnacut because his CPM-3V is already overkill for him and he'd notice no difference
3. He was let down by 4034 Cold Steel knife that underperformed while butchering chickens
4. He likes and uses high carbon steel
5. He didn't mention Sandvik and some other cheap steels here because he either considers them good, has heard good stuff about them, has used them and finds them good, or just has no experience with them so he gives them benefit of the doubt
In my opinion - OP is not a steel snob. He just cares about performance and hates having his knives damaged, and will use higher end steels to have better experience.
All the power to the OP for knowing his needs and wishes and buying accordingly.
You forget that people like him are main reason why this industry is pushing forwards. If we all settled with "good enough" then we'd all just use AUS8, 420HC, 1075, 1095 and D2. There would be no reason to use and develop better steels if there's no demand for it.
After checking OP post history I gathered this:
1. He likes tough budget knives (beaters)
2. He doesn't care about Magnacut because his CPM-3V is already overkill for him and he'd notice no difference
3. He was let down by 4034 Cold Steel knife that underperformed while butchering chickens
4. He likes and uses high carbon steel
5. He didn't mention Sandvik and some other cheap steels here because he either considers them good, has heard good stuff about them, has used them and finds them good, or just has no experience with them so he gives them benefit of the doubt
And this shows me that he indeed does hate on most of these steels based on his previous experiences of using them.Laminated CoS here.
Also broke 440C, rolled and bent 4116, and chipped Chinese D2 so badly I had to take pics.
I wish I took pics of everything though.
So, no, I'm not talking out of my ass. Lots of these steels failed me in real life use.
In my opinion - OP is not a steel snob. He just cares about performance and hates having his knives damaged, and will use higher end steels to have better experience.
All the power to the OP for knowing his needs and wishes and buying accordingly.
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I agree. Some of these steels should get a chance for redemption if he ever feels like it.I get where you are coming from, OP. Might want to give a couple of 440* variants another try. Starting from Buck's 440HC, over CPM 154 / RWL 34, to 440V (= S60V, if you can find it, it's the bees knees for me).
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I think that's what Kershaw's Filter is made from.
Back before I knew anything about knives and steels, I loved that knife, and thought the steel was great. I probably thought it was great because it was so easy to get arm-hair shaving sharp. Of course it lost the edge quickly.
The knife was heavy, thick and only had tip down carry.
I didn't care, I loved it.
Graduated to a Kershaw Link in 420HC, gifted the Filter to a friend. He loved the knife, too.
I thought the 420HC Link was the Bee's Knees, man! I could get that knife so stupid-sharp I would cut potatoe chip bags and not feel it. Gifted that one to a friend too, who also loved it.
Sometimes ignorance is bliss. Sometimes I miss my more uneducated days, because I found a lot more fun in the inexpensive knives at the time. Now I'm just ruined and I'm addicted to Spyderco's and Cold Steels.
So...
What you're sayin' is that Blade Forums RUINED you.
Me, too. I'll be damned if I'm giving 'em $30 a year.
*Actually, I'm thinking of a paid subscription as I type this.
Well if I'll need more knives, and I like something in those steels, I just might give them a try, to see if it was just a fluke previous timeI get where you are coming from, OP. Might want to give a couple of 440* variants another try. Starting from Buck's 440HC, over CPM 154 / RWL 34, to 440V (= S60V, if you can find it, it's the bees knees for me
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You stand out in a forum full of would-be steel snobs as a person who's overly snobbish and unnecessarily opinionated.
Particularly insightful were the references to Chinese steels in your post, which seem like a personal political vendetta rather than informed commentary of steel performance.
Your selection of screen name, however, is very apropos.
Now that we know you're a real steel snob, what's next?
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Oh absolutely.So...
What you're sayin' is that Blade Forums RUINED you.
Me, too. I'll be damned if I'm giving 'em $30 a year.
*Actually, I'm thinking of a paid subscription as I type this.
Yeah I'm going to renew my membership.
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I started to respond to this, and changed my mind. It would have been paragraphs and paragraphs of me rambling on about how opinionated, presumptuous and in some cases - just plain wrong - the OP is.
But he is entitled to his opinions. But that's all they are.
But he is entitled to his opinions. But that's all they are.
Well, we just found out who buys Chinese steels.
This thread is about opinions about steels. We all have a steel that we dislike and reason why we dislike it.
I even backed up mine with photos, what else do I need?
Anyways, I'm saddened so many people took it personally.
All this being said, it is worth mentioning that I don't look down on people buying steels I mentioned up there, as it seems a lot of you took it that way.
Also, I wonder what's the reason for you being so hostile towards me when I literally did or said nothing that was directed to you or anyone else in particular. I'm discussing steel, not people.
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Read more and maybe you'll figure out what steels I actually buy.
You might also learn about intrinsic vs. extrinsic properties of steel.
Intrinsic: edge retention, toughness, resistance to oxidation, brittleness, conductivity, abrasion resistance...
Extrinsic: country of origin, price, product name...
If "country of origin" is a required qualifying statement you feel you need to make about a knife steel, you're no longer really talking about knife steel.
It's a surprisingly hard concept for some folks to grasp, and I can see this might be a challenge for you.
Actually... you're the subject of your own post. I'm not learning more about steel, I'm learning about LostCause's opinion of steel.
That's fine- just don't be surprised when other people have an opinion about your opinion.
From my experience here, "opinions" are much better received when they are backed up by something, like first-hand experience. You offered "opinions" on several types of steel, including a few steel series, but you provided pictures of 3 knives, with no mention of what you did with those knives to cause the damage.
I don't think anyone took your post personally. You're not as controversial as you might think.
Of course you're free to say whatever you want, and express any "opinion" you want about any steel you want. Just as other people are free to post their "opinion" of your "opinions". That's life on an internet forum.
Buy/use what you like, don't buy/use what you don't like. More power to you.
The return of Smiling?
Country of origin... China does make some nice stuff but they also make whole lot of garbage... Pakistan would go in same category.
Also sorry, but I'm not keeping track on your profile so I don't know what you buy. But your violent response in defense of China makes me think that's what you buy. As simple as that.
Felt ss if some people could relate therefore this thread was created. You felt need to jump in to defend beloved steels of People Republic of China, which is ofcourse something I guess. I just learned you really loved China.
If I told you what happened, would you even believed considering the fact I even posted the pics after you doubted my credibility of ever using these steels?
Waste of my time and words IMO...
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