Im confused

Hey Guys..

evbouret...

Not to be rude or anything,, but get turned around in a 50,000-3-4-500,000+ acre hunk of bush in Central or Northern Ontario,, where there ain't too many pastures, and few if any roads and you'll be thinking a little differently...

We hunt a 60,000 acre piece of property in central Ont, where if you get lost and head into Algonquin park,, your in a Whole world of hurt,,especially at this time of year...

If you don't have your witts about you and a fairly decent kit, your in deep shit to say the least...This area is Vast, thick and can be quite dangerous. Get a serious injury, broken limb,, Not good...

A little different then walking fairly populated areas with roads and pastures...

ttyle

Eric
O/ST
 
I try to blend in whether I'm in the wilderness or in the city. I'm not trying to hide, just trying to not look out of place.
 
Yeah.... lessee...

Sheeple: not only uprepared in simple ignorance, but so set on being politically correct that they force themselves to be unprepared. Those who put their heads in the sand. Those who fear life and it's realities but find themselves unable to take action because that requires acknowledging the unpleasant aspects of life. Someone who is afraid of your 3" pocket knife, but has 6" scissors on the desk and an 8" chef's knife in the kitchen drawer. Someone who somehow believes that "it" will never happen to them. Someone who would let a guy with a lousy box cutter kill them and 3000 other people. Someone who follows like a sheep: sheeple.

Sing Barbra!

Sheeple, sheeple who need sheeple,
are the luckiest sheeple in the world! .....
 
I try to blend because I find it allows more opportunities for observation. Wether it be in the wild as in obsereving animals or in a populated area, If I stand out I alter the actions of those around me, sometimes this is good, Like wearing a reflective vest at a Motor vehcle accident scene, other times it is bad Like if someone is looting a store and wil instead turn to rob me. If I blend I have the choice of how and when I interact, I can watch a deer drink or shoo it away, I can watch a group of hikers go by or strike up a conversation, I can try to help someone or look out for #1 (usually I chose the Former) either way I increase my choices by not drawing attention to myself until I chose to.
 
DaleW said:
Yeah.... lessee...

Sheeple: not only uprepared in simple ignorance, but so set on being politically correct that they force themselves to be unprepared. Those who put their heads in the sand. Those who fear life and it's realities but find themselves unable to take action because that requires acknowledging the unpleasant aspects of life. Someone who is afraid of your 3" pocket knife, but has 6" scissors on the desk and an 8" chef's knife in the kitchen drawer. Someone who somehow believes that "it" will never happen to them. Someone who would let a guy with a lousy box cutter kill them and 3000 other people. Someone who follows like a sheep: sheeple.

Sing Barbra!

Sheeple, sheeple who need sheeple,
are the luckiest sheeple in the world! .....
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I once had a command directed barracks health and welfare inspection conducted by MPs with drug dogs. The MPs confiscated one of my Soldier's KABAR knife, on the counter was a knife block with several knives including large chef's knives, and there was a softball bag propped in the corner with at least 3 bats in it, I argued with the MPs but they still confiscated it. I was albe to go down to the MP station later and sign for it and get it back and I gave it back to the Soldier and told him to keep it out of sight. They also confiscated decorative swords on plaques that Soldiers had recieved from other units. This gives you some idea of how the authorities operate, and why I like to blend in.

Keep in mind these are Soldiers that are regularly issued machine guns with live ammo, grenades and drive around in trucks with 50s mounted on top, doesn't make much sense to me. :confused: Chris
 
runningboar said:
......Keep in mind these are Soldiers that are regularly issued machine guns with live ammo, grenades and drive around in trucks with 50s mounted on top, doesn't make much sense to me. :confused: Chris
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No kidding. Or Special Ops folk trained to make explosives off the hardware and drugstore shelf. My old man was in the Airborne in WWII and knows enough dirty tricks to scare the hooey out of Homeland Security. Multiply that by the millions of guys who got the same training over the years. The difference between a 3.5" folder and a fixed blade is just academic in trained hands, but my local laws make a distiction between the two, and the folder is much more concealable. Weird. :confused:

My pet theory is that all the knife laws date back to 1950's juvenile delenquent movies. The political types are peeing their pants over switchblades when they need to legislate intenet rather than the weapon. The idea that a knife that is 1/4" longer than another makes me a lawbreaker by simple possession is just silliness.

We had a wacko get into a secure area of our office and hid in the women's bathroom. I waited outside the door with the framing hammer from my tool kit until security arrived to take him out (with some pepper spray). The guard got quite a kick out of my choice of defensive weapon and said, "remind me not to piss you off." He didn't see the can of oven cleaner on top of the file cabinet next to the bathroom door :D
 
I`m too old to care what other people think of me. In my opinion Normal people do carry knives, and guns Normal people do stockpile food,ammo, water. They have for hundreds of years. It`s abnormal people who count on the Government to bail them out in an emergency. Haven`t we seen this happen(Katrina)? Did the Government pull through? When the S.H.T.F. I want to be ready to take care of myself, and I don`t care who knows it.
 
Just because I carry a survival kit doesn't mean I am going to take extraordinary risks to use it. I Carry a small tool kit in my truck and that doesn't mean I am going to abuse the truck so I can use the tools. The term survivalist conjures up images of someone dressed in a camo sitting in his basement with 100,000 rounds of ammo, a pile of weapons and enough beans and weenies to last three years. That may be extreme paranoia but I believe he isn't hoping for Armageddon so he can use these items. Johnny Reb is right, he is describing is self reliance.
 
I am not too concerned about survival in Virginia. I was told that wherever you are in Virginia, you are no more than 20 miles from a road.
 
Thomas Linton said:
You overgeneralize. I have made no such statement, as is true of many here.
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May not have been addressing you personally. But many here HAVE made such a statement. It isn't hard to find this concurrent thread where many forumites do.

What I think is most entertaining is how defensive many folks here get about their appearance and the big bad sheeple who are persecuting them.
 
shecky said:
May not have been addressing you personally. But many here HAVE made such a statement. It isn't hard to find this concurrent thread where many forumites do.

What I think is most entertaining is how defensive many folks here get about their appearance and the big bad sheeple who are persecuting them.
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Shecky, an entire range of people are interested in wilderness and survival skills. Hang around here and you will see the defensive and all other sorts. Most who have posted in this thread do not seem even slightly defensive.

If you find it "entertaining" to rile people up, there is a term for that.
 
razcob said:
I am not too concerned about survival in Virginia. I was told that wherever you are in Virginia, you are no more than 20 miles from a road.
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This is a mistake that people make over and over and I have to try to convince them how incorrect this thinking is during SAR and survival training. I can travel 20 miles in less than 20 minutes, if I am driving my car on the interstate. How fast can I do it trying to drag my body through brambles with a tib-fib fracture? When you are on foot you have to consider travel time not distance. I have done bushwhacks were I couldn't travel any faster than 1 mile in 3 hours. If I was injured I certainly wouldn't have been going any faster. People can die less than a mile from a road or trail.

Just my $.02,
KR
 
I was walking along an abandoned road around a woodlot at the intersection of a main road across town and a local highway -- in hearing of traffic all the time.

My prosthetic foot snapped off, below the knee. I had to crawl out to the fence around the woods, maybe ten yards from the highway. Waving and blowing my Fox 40 whistle, I got NO response.

I had to crawl towards the road, where there was a business on the corner. They helped me over the fence, into a truck, and drove me home. By then the poison ivy had done a great job on my left side because I couldn't crawl on the concrete road.

People have died slipping in a bathtub at home with no way to call help.
Proximity is no guarantee of safety.
 
hollowdweller said:
I'm not a survivalist. I am more into the Wilderness aspect of the forum.

I'm not worried about the breakdown of society or a major disaster.

I'm always into hearing about new or cool knives or gear that would somehow make hiking easier.

I like to hunt and eat wild foods not because I'm preparing for some catastrophe but just cause it's fun and something difft.
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Glad im not the only one.:thumbup:
 
Hey, I'm with HD.

But I live over 1100 feet above sea level and hundreds of miles from the coast. If I lived in Florida, being ready for a "major disaster" would doubtless be on my mind.

Worst problem likely here is power outages in Winter.
 
shecky said:
May not have been addressing you personally. But many here HAVE made such a statement. It isn't hard to find this concurrent thread where many forumites do.

What I think is most entertaining is how defensive many folks here get about their appearance and the big bad sheeple who are persecuting them.
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Shecky,
I am very guilty as charged, I almost spent a night in jail because of a legally owned firearm, a neighbor saw me, doing nothing illegal with it and called the police. I was handcuffed, detained and questioned, I did nothing wrong or illegal, yeah I try to keep under cover and away from the general public's eyes. Chris
 
Thomas Linton said:
Worst problem likely here is power outages in Winter.
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Earthquakes
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/ohio/history.php
Tornados
http://columbusoh.about.com/od/weather/a/xenia.htm
Floods
http://www.ohiohistory.org/etcetera/exhibits/swio/

Disasters don't have to be on a grand scale to be up close and personal either. Some of the worst disasters involve loss of health, income, and family. A factory closing. A heart attack. Cancer. Auto accident. Being prepared is no different than insurance, IMHO. Better in fact. With insurance you are betting that something bad will happen, the insurer is betting it won't.

Codger
 
Well, I get fill you in on my plans for evading the radar. Just dont :)
Everyone at work know that I am the knife nut and that I have tons of "survival" gadgets everywhere. I had MR-8 rations for lunch at the school. I brought freeze dried food to the BBQ last week and so on. They do not consider me being a nutjob, at least they dont say it :) People have learned by now that I always have everything so at the last BBQ I distributed knives high and low to people who didnt bring their own and so on.

I think survivalists or geardoes are the last remains of the hunter/gather people. There are still people who go for a pair of scissors to open big boxes and stuff.
I am planning to buy a bunch of Leatherman tools to give to people for christmas just so I can have my stuff for myself :)

When I go to the big towns I dont bring all the big tools, but as I look inconspic.. whatever, so they do not discover my survival gear and other useful things.

It is also a big difference in reaction from people from "you are not allowed to carry a knife", which is silenced by reciting the paragraph this and that, to people who are more or less equipped themselves.

Anyway, a normal looking multitool or a SAK will pass anywhere. Being dressed in hunting clothes are also good, then you can bring your big knives to the local food store and noone cares.
The type of knife also decides what is OK. A decent looking 4" (one uneducated person called my F1 a Mora knife) will always pass as a TOOL, since everyone and his sisters cousin has used a Mora knife at some time so they know what it is. Wearing a bigger knife that in any way resembles a Rambo knife (not the real ones but the ones you buy wheap) will scare most uneducated locals. Any knife in a nice leather sheath is also OK, especially if it looks like a sami knife. Wearing a JPSK, ASEK, F1, whatever strapped to your leg or similar "tactical" fashion will also startle people. Having a knife on your backpack strap is a good solution, but when you talk to city-locals they only see the murder-death-kill-rambo knife.

So being under the radar is to: 1, Bring whatever you like but dont show the whole survival kit before they know you. 2, If people know you are "friendly" they dare to borrow your things and then you made their day. 3, dont overdo things. You do not have to bring the machete into the burger joint, the food is already dead and there are no trees to fell inside.
4, Local laws are just to annoy the law abiding people and they are usually enforced with discretion. You will not be sent off to Gitmo for wearing a "non politically correct" knife out in the middle of nowhere. ie locking folder in the scottish meadows or a butterfly in Sarek national park (even though the Hackman folder was marketed as a hunting knife it is not really legal in Sweden). Wearing a Sykes Fairbairn or a CRKT Sting to the casino is so James Bond, and you are not James Bond so leave it at home.

Thats it for me, who is carrying a Fallkniven U2, a LM Fuse (super tactical CIA kill black), a Fällkniven WM1 (also murder death kill black), a SAK something, a Fällkniven F1 and a folding saw. Just to go to work..... 400 meters from home in the middle of the town :)
 
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