I'm sorry, but does anyone else get a kick out of...

[seth]

so as a foreigner who is interested in busse, but hasnt really done much knife trading, what would my options be for you guys who dont mind exporting? i dont mind paying in full (paypal wire transfer etc.) and waiting till you receive the funds before shipping the knife, once the seller seems legit.. would this work?

 

[Jaxx]

so as a foreigner who is interested in busse, but hasnt really done much knife trading, what would my options be for you guys who dont mind exporting? i dont mind paying in full (paypal wire transfer etc.) and waiting till you receive the funds before shipping the knife, once the seller seems legit.. would this work?

as long as you...

Pay. (PayPal is probably your best bet...but DON'T use the Personal/Gift option, so that you retain your Buyer's Purchase Protection under PP policy. You might be asked to cover the fees, but this is better than having no recourse through PP if the Seller doesn't ship)
Don't ask the Seller to lie about value or contents on a Customs Declaration form.
Give accurate addy details.
And are willing to pay for the intl. shipping that can be tracked & insured (USPS Express Mail International is a good option)

...then most of us who are willing to ship internationally will be happy to sell to you.

Barbados, aye???! ....Of course, I'd be very happy to sell and deliver to you personally from December through March if you cover the travel costs! LOL

 

[R0CKETMAN]

Pay. (PayPal is probably your best bet...but DON'T use the Personal/Gift option, so that you retain your Buyer's Purchase Protection under PP policy.

That there in lies the rub..

I'm not a proponent of the "gift option" except during international transactions. You can type you are "not responsible if the knife doesn't arrive" all you want, but if it doesn't your funds are frozen and your only recourse is the arduous task of USPS claim process.

 

[magoo48]

NEVER had a problem getting INFI into Australia ! But I also accept the sellers terms...if they say USA only, cést la vie. I can't really send them a US money order and I don't live there...
But a big thanks to to all BF members who have shipped to me Down Under - too many to name !
Oh and I never expect anyone to lie or misrepresent values or items - it is just not worth the risk.....

 

[Jaxx]

That there in lies the rub..

I'm not a proponent of the "gift option" except during international transactions. You can type you are "not responsible if the knife doesn't arrive" all you want, but if it doesn't your funds are frozen and your only recourse is the arduous task of USPS claim process.

Which is why I recommend USPS Express Mail Intl. This option is track-able in transit past US borders, unlike USPS Priority Intl. I had a package take forever (weeks) to clear Israeli Customs...but I knew where it was every step of the way to my Buyer's hands by its tracking number. He and I kept tabs on it and kept in comms during the wait. If the Buyer has current information, why would he or she start a PP claim?

Other tips I learned are:
Verify that address. Most folks don't mind waiting an extra day or so while you check with them on their shipping addy. Address format counts a lot too. Here's a site I found that helps me with that... http://www.columbia.edu/~fdc/postal/ AKA "Frank's Compulsive Guide To Postal Addresses (Effective Addressing for International Mail)". These 2 tips alone have proven to be 100% effective for me so far. :thumbup:

 

[adrock1978]

Yeah, it's a riot when Europeans demonstrate a grasp of foreign languages the average American can only dream of! :thumbup:

Ya see... can't people just have a sense of humor? I said it makes me chuckle. Just down to a very basic level. No offense, no criticism for trying. I'm sure I'd be a blithering idiot in any other country. And I'm ok with that. You can't live in the State who's nick name is the Arm Pit of the U.S. and not be able to laugh at yourself.

German, French, Arabic and some English here. You, adrock1978, cannot even claim English as you mother tongue. The USA don't have an official language and neither does the state of New Jersey

THIS CRACKS ME UP

Haha... see... that's funny. I'm proud of my non gas pumping, fist pumping heritage. I'm sorry... when someone says "I make day for decide on knife it you sell" I laugh.

 

[R0CKETMAN]

Which is why I recommend USPS Express Mail Intl.

The problem there is it getting out of the country when USPS is involved. Lol

Now here's an example of what I mean...I have an item for sale now here on BF. It states CONUS only in ad. Member says he'll take it..pays with PP, then wants me to ship it to Iraq

Members like this ruin it for others internationally

 

[adrock1978]

The problem there is it getting out of the country when USPS is involved. Lol

Now here's an example of what I mean...I have an item for sale now here on BF. It states CONUS only in ad. Member says he'll take it..pays with PP, then wants me to ship it to Iraq

Members like this ruin it for others internationally

But you could have avoided that by getting all his info prior to giving out your paypal info. Was your paypal info in your sale thread, or did you provide it after the potential buyer said he'll take the item? I always reserve the right to change my assumed shipping prices if a buyer is outside of the area my quote was intended to cover.

 

[R0CKETMAN]

But you could have avoided that by getting all his info prior to giving out your paypal info. Was your paypal info in your sale thread, or did you provide it after the potential buyer said he'll take the item? I always reserve the right to change my assumed shipping prices if a buyer is outside of the area my quote was intended to cover.

Huh? The terms of the sale were in the ad. I shouldn't have to pre-qualify the buyer. I'm the seller that everyone should measure themselves by. My ads include excellent pics, description, and terms are clearly stated. I ship immediately and provide tracking before leaving the PO parking lot. My "deal" communication is second to none.

Btw, this turned out the be a APO (US military), so the shipping was even discounted. The buyer should have explained this prior to finalizing transaction.

 

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[Jaxx]

Huh? The terms of the sale were in the ad. I shouldn't have to pre-qualify the buyer. I'm the seller that everyone should measure themselves by. My ads include excellent pics, description, and terms are clearly stated. I ship immediately and provide tracking before leaving the PO parking lot. My "deal" communication is second to none.

Btw, this turned out the be a APO (US military), so the shipping was even discounted. The buyer should have explained this prior to finalizing transaction.

No, you shouldn't...and like you, my comms are good, clear pix and description, well defined terms (seems half of BladeForums members use all or part of my terms verbatim in their sale threads, LOL), etc., but not everyone scores high in reading comprehension if ya know what I mean. I've learned that it's best to finalize details/verify the Buyer before providing payment info IMO.

 

[adrock1978]

Huh? The terms of the sale were in the ad. I shouldn't have to pre-qualify the buyer. I'm the seller that everyone should measure themselves by. My ads include excellent pics, description, and terms are clearly stated. I ship immediately and provide tracking before leaving the PO parking lot. My "deal" communication is second to none.

Btw, this turned out the be a APO (US military), so the shipping was even discounted. The buyer should have explained this prior to finalizing transaction.

Either I misunderstood you, or you misunderstood me. You said:

Member says he'll take it..pays with PP, then wants me to ship it to Iraq

So he paid you and THEN disclosed that he'd like you to ship it to Iraq. I'm saying... why did you give him your paypal account info, allowing him to pay, without establishing where he expected you to ship it or knowing where he was located. No, you shouldn't have to pre-qualify the buyer but I wouldn't assume the buyer plans to be compliant with your requests, just because you wrote them down. Your ads take everything into account as far as satisfying the customer with full disclosure, but I feel asking the buyer his address prior to finalizing/accepting payment is a very important part of the deal. Its easier to ask one or two additional questions, then it is to return funds and reopen closed sale threads because the buyer ignored your terms.

I guess it's two schools of thought. You can list 5 pages of sale terms, all bulleted and highlighted and underlined before you even list your item, and hope to only get buyers that fit within those terms. Or you can leave it a little more loose and negotiate terms within reason after a potential buyer speaks up. I've said "CONUS" plenty of times, but then shipped international when I guy offers to pay me an additional $50 just to do so.

 

[adrock1978]

No, you shouldn't...and like you, my comms are good, clear pix and description, well defined terms (seems half of BladeForums members use all or part of my terms verbatim in their sale threads, LOL), etc., but not everyone scores high in reading comprehension if ya know what I mean. I've learned that it's best to finalize details/verify the Buyer before providing payment info IMO.

Right... in fewer words.

 

[R0CKETMAN]

So me saying conus only isn't good enough? I need to ensure buyer reads and comprehends written English first? Got it!:thumbup:

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PP add 3.5%
CONUS acronym translation add 5%
English translation add 20%

Either I misunderstood you, or you misunderstood me. You said: So he paid you and THEN disclosed that he'd like you to ship it to Iraq. I'm saying... why did you give him your paypal account info, allowing him to pay, without establishing where he expected you to ship it or knowing where he was located. No, you shouldn't have to pre-qualify the buyer but I wouldn't assume the buyer plans to be compliant with your requests, just because you wrote them down. Your ads take everything into account as far as satisfying the customer with full disclosure, but I feel asking the buyer his address prior to finalizing/accepting payment is a very important part of the deal. Its easier to ask one or two additional questions, then it is to return funds and reopen closed sale threads because the buyer ignored your terms.

I guess it's two schools of thought. You can list 5 pages of sale terms, all bulleted and highlighted and underlined before you even list your item, and hope to only get buyers that fit within those terms. Or you can leave it a little more loose and negotiate terms within reason after a potential buyer speaks up. I've said "CONUS" plenty of times, but then shipped international when I guy offers to pay me an additional $50 just to do so.

 

[J. Oeser]

I'm not sure that I chuckle about somebody putting their best effort forth to communicate in a foreign language. I speak two other languages myself and lived in another country for a good time while learning one of those languages and I can say I was made fun of for making mistakes all the time. Needless to say I didn't think it was cool. Here I was learning to speak another language to people who only spoke one and they were giving me crap for making mistakes rather than encouraging me and helping me correct those mistakes.

I see it this way. It would be like me taking my kid out to learn to ride a bike and chuckling every time he fell rather than encouraging him to get back up.

To any of you who speak/write English as your second, third, fourth, etc. language, keep it up and don't be afraid to make mistakes. English is my first language and I still don't know how to speak it properly.

Climbing down from soap box . . .

 

[J. Oeser]

German, French, Arabic and some English here. You, adrock1978, cannot even claim English as you mother tongue. The USA don't have an official language and neither does the state of New Jersey

THIS CRACKS ME UP

Way to go brother. I would have never known English wasn't first by what you type on this forum.

And here I was feeling good about English, Portuguese and Spanish . . .:thumbup:

 

[adrock1978]

So me saying conus only isn't good enough? I need to ensure buyer reads and comprehends written English first? Got it!:thumbup:

Edit:
PP add 3.5%
CONUS acronym translation add 5%
English translation add 20%

You can do whatever you want. Its your several hundred dollar knife going into the box. I'm saying an extra question or two prior to sticking it into said box can save a lot of aggravation. All the pre-written terms in the world can't fix stupid. Plus, the more you have in writing directly from the buyer, the better your case will be should anything go wrong. Last thing you want is for Paypal to side with the buyer and return his funds to him, while your knife sits on a plane to some third world country.

 

[adrock1978]

Climbing down from soap box . . .

...don't fall.

Sooo... I guess the answer to my original question is: "No... we are all too straight lace, tight lip, pants-jacked-up-way-too-high, too serious to laugh when someone make funny words..." Oooo...Kay.... got it. I'll move along. :foot:

 

[J. Oeser]

...don't fall.

Thanks, I'll try not to.

If I do I'll have to figure out which language to curse in.

 

[Soulrack223]

I'll ship internationally as long as the buyer will pay for Global Express--$35 to $45 extra. I know I've done Poland, Italy, Thailand and Canada without any problems. I don't laugh at broken english either. Half of my family speaks broken english. :foot: