Impressions of a Squirt. Update at one month.

I gave my wife a squirt a while ago, she loves multi purpose tools. But while using it she broke one of the arms of the pliers off. I wasn't around for the actual break but from what she told me it was just trying to take a nut off of a bolt which has kept me from getting another. Has anyone else ever broken one? Maybe the micra is more for me, I don't know.

Gabe
 
I gave my wife a squirt a while ago, she loves multi purpose tools. But while using it she broke one of the arms of the pliers off. I wasn't around for the actual break but from what she told me it was just trying to take a nut off of a bolt which has kept me from getting another. Has anyone else ever broken one? Maybe the micra is more for me, I don't know.

Gabe

Hey Gabe, yes I have known of problems with Leatherman plier jaws. I had a Leatherman wave that I had given to the son in law as it was just too big and heavy to fit into my lifestyle. Son in law was tightening a loose bolt and the one side of the pliers sheered off. He sent it back to Leatherman and they sent him a new one.

I have heard that the Leatherman pliers were made someplace 'else' and are assembled in the U.S. but don't have the low down scoop. The other night I used the squirt pliers to help me bend something, and I put a pretty good deal of force on then, holding my breath. It went okay, but I was a bit nervous. So far so good.
 
Leatherman pliers are investment cast in Mexico by a company originally USA based. When they moved south, Leatherman stayed with them. Cast pliers are not as tough as the forged, but easier and cheaper to make, good enough for the kind of uses multi-tools are usually put. Personally, I have not in almost 20 years with different Leathermen pliers ever had a problem with breakage, although obviously that can happen with castings. You hear about it less with Swisstool cast pliers, although that could be at least partly due to Leatherman's dominance in the US multi-tool market; that is, there are so many more out there being used and abused. My experience with Squirt sized Leatherman pliers has been that since they are so small, they are often subjected to more force than would be necessary with larger versions. So far, the only damage has been blood blisters on my palm :mad:, but the pliers are okay :thumbup:.
 
I had an older Squirt P4 a few years ago on which I broke one of the plier jaws. I don't remember what I was doing, but I didn't think I was abusing it. I had never bonded with it or carried it anyway, so I threw it in the junk drawer and forgot about it ….. that is until this thread popped up. Then I remembered the Leatherman Warranty, sent it in for repair/replacement, and they promptly sent me a new PS4 (since the P4 is discontinued). So thanks Leatherman! And thanks Carl! ;)
 
Hey Gabe, yes I have known of problems with Leatherman plier jaws. I had a Leatherman wave that I had given to the son in law as it was just too big and heavy to fit into my lifestyle. Son in law was tightening a loose bolt and the one side of the pliers sheered off. He sent it back to Leatherman and they sent him a new one.

I have heard that the Leatherman pliers were made someplace 'else' and are assembled in the U.S. but don't have the low down scoop. The other night I used the squirt pliers to help me bend something, and I put a pretty good deal of force on then, holding my breath. It went okay, but I was a bit nervous. So far so good.

I'm going to try to send it back and see what happens. Give it a go on more time.

Gabe
 
I had an older Squirt P4 a few years ago on which I broke one of the plier jaws. I don't remember what I was doing, but I didn't think I was abusing it. I had never bonded with it or carried it anyway, so I threw it in the junk drawer and forgot about it ….. that is until this thread popped up. Then I remembered the Leatherman Warranty, sent it in for repair/replacement, and they promptly sent me a new PS4 (since the P4 is discontinued). So thanks Leatherman! And thanks Carl! ;)

Thank both you and Carl for reminding me of the warranty.

Gabe
 
Okay, it's been a bit over a month now I've been trying out the squirt on my downward spiral into the dark multitool madness. Some of my expectations have been proved true, but some have been wrong.

Like I suspected, my prime complaint about the micra tools being on the inside and harder to get at, has beenremidied by the squirt tools on the outside. It is way easier to access the bottle opener/screw driver, phillips screw driver, scissors. One of the most used tools on the classic that I loved was the sharp little scissors. ON the squirt they are right there to pull out and use. But, like the scissors on the micra, they are good but not quite up to the operating room fineness of the Victorinox scissors. Not much of a gain in the real world of coupon snipping or mustache trimming, but it does have a different feel. But it works well on most things.

I've used the little pliers once, and they did the job quite well. They let my senior citizen fingers get a grip on something that I could not have done without some help. They are almost fine enough that they can be used as the tweezers that the squirt lacks. But do a need for a once a month maximum justify the pliers? I'm not sure. I used them while I was at home, and if I hadn't had them, there was a tool kit in the next room at the bottom of the closet that all sorts of hand tools.

The screw drivers on the squirt are workable, even if they are noticeably shorter than the micra drivers. But they do work, and that's the bottom line. So on most counts, the micra vs squirt is still a personal taste in available tools. Living in a suburban/urban environment, I find I have more need for scissors on a day to day basis than pliers, so I am at this point a little more biased for the micra than the squirt.

After using these tools, I found out another thing, that if you get used to the 'inside' tools of the micra, it becomes a sort of second nature to pull the tool open and get the one you need. So after all my objection to the layout of the micra, I am finding out that in real world use of the tool everyday, it really makes a very very small bit of difference. Maybe the fact that I've had the micra for three months now, and the squirt only one, but as much as the squirt is a very competent edc tool, I have not warmed toit in the same way as I have the micra. Which in itself, surprised me more than anything. I've never been a Leatherman fan, and I'm not sure I'm becoming one, but more in a state of flux.

Three months ago, I took delivery of the micra with a great deal of personal prejudice. Lord knows that Dave and I have had a great deal of disagreement on the micra/classic debate, with lots of "yes it is/no it isn't" type of stuff going on. So I never expected myself to actually like the little Leatherman as much as I have come to. But at three months now, I can say the micra has won me over to the extent that now the squirt has to prove itself 'as good as' the micra. And it's proving to be an uphill battle.

One of the main things I don't like about the squirt is, the tools while shorter, also seem skimpy by comparison. I took a file to the phillips on the squirt to blunt it up a bit to be more useful on the more common phillips screws. I had notice that it was ground so thin the trip for tiny phillips, that it would deform and bend or chip at the tip. Now it's shaped more like the one on the micra, which is better for me for dealing with real world phillips screw which are large than in IT work.

But, and there is that three letter word again, there is one more difference between them, and I may have a hard time expelling it. The micra feels better quality.

I know there has been some controversy on where some of the new Leatherman's are being made. The micra has "Leatherman, U.S.A. on it, while the squirt has "Leatherman tool" on it. The squirt has a feel of being a bit 'cruder' for lack of a better term. Like it's not quite the same level of fit and finish as the micra. The micra has a undefinable feel of being just bit better assembled an finished. This is subjective as all heck I know, but I can feel it better than I can articulate it. Or maybe I'm loosing it and am ready for the rubber knife squad.

But…that word again, on the other hand both are very handy pieces of kit to have in a pocket, and both are good quality tools that will serve the needs of most people who are not avid knife nuts. Point in fact, I had some business recently where I had to go 'downtown' every day for a week. Downtown for me is Washington D.C., one of the most policed and secure cites in the U.S. There's more federal police agencies in that town than than anywhere else I know of. Metro police, DEA, FBI, ATF, NSA, and all the security agencies that handle the individual building security at museums and art galleries. So I will leave my main cutlery home and just take the minimum that will go federal building security. In the past this was my little Vic classic. It goes in the plastic tray with all my other pocket stuff, and it goes right through the security. Most small pocket knives and mini tools will, as something like 2 inch blades are permitted. So this past week, my only cutlery was the squirt. I spent all day every day for a week downtown with the squirt in my pocket, and it did everything I needed. The little chisel ground knife blade opened plastic packages and cardboard boxes, the bottle opener popped open a bottle of Mexican Coca-cola, And the small scissors trimmed a broken nail. I had no complaints, but yet a few times I found myself wanting the micra for some totally inexplicable reason. Personal taste? I don't know.

But here we are, three months in now with the micra, and a bit over a month with the squirt. Both are good tools that work well in a very wide variety of situations. I think in the end, a lot of it is going to come down to personal taste. But even more startling is, over the course of this extended time experiment with Leatherman keychain size tools, I have not been carrying my classic. Equally as startling is, the world has not stopped spinning, the fabric of the space time continuum is intact, and the sun is still rising in the east. I seem to have become lost down some dark rabbit hole where when I slip my hand in my pocket to feel the smooth oval shaped classic, instead my hand falls on a square shaped hunk of metal, and I'm not disturbed by it. Like a new reality to get used to. Is it possible that I could abandon my long beloved classic for a all metal multitool? :eek:

I guess time will tell. Darn you Dave!

Anyone seen a ladder around here?
 
Thanks for your periodic reports on this experiment, Carl. Very interesting and often thought-provoking! I even dug out a made-in-China keychain multitool that was in a set of about 6 "Sheffield" knives and multitools my wife gave me for Christmas years ago to try carrying myself. But I still carry the Classic with it because the MT's scissors are a disaster. But if I find myself using some of the other tools regularly, I can upgrade to a pre-owned PS4 or something of that ilk.
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I found ... that if you get used to the 'inside' tools of the micra, it becomes a sort of second nature to pull the tool open and get the one you need. So after all my objection to the layout of the micra, I am finding out that in real world use of the tool everyday, it really makes a very very small bit of difference.

:) Carl, I take more pleasure than I ought to in your new-found appreciation of the Micra. ;-) It's a fantastic little tool. That and a [fill in name of your preferred folding knife], and there's not many jams you can't get out of.
 
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Carl, fun post to read. Thanks for posting it.

Is it possible to be Micra fan without being a Leatherman fan? I know I feel that way about certain products. I'm a huge fan of the Rottefella Super Telemark binding and ambivalent about the company.

As I sit with the issue of function with this class of tools, I see 3 options, not 2:
1) pliers, 2) small fine thumb scissors. 3) large pliers style scissors. What is best for somebody's EDC use is entirely YMMV territory. For me, it is the latter. Everything in life is a trade off.

In terms of aesthetics, I agree with you. The Micra wins. An admission...

I have a nervous mind and need to fidget with something in my hands while listening. Coon pawing a Buck 110 during and endless technical meeting at work is frowned upon so I often have my Micra in hand, looking at it with only partial attention. I've discovered something.

It's beautiful - a stunning piece of industrial design - a miniature masterpiece. I mean it.

How can that much functionality be created with that small amount of formed stainless steel? And then be that durable?

Later today I need to do some work on the house and I'll have a full sized MT on me. Last weekend I did a 10 mile backcountry ski tour and carried a PS4 (along with mini vice grips, a t handle driver and a Mora). But for EDC, for me, it's the Micra.
 
Carl, fun post to read. Thanks for posting it.

Is it possible to be Micra fan without being a Leatherman fan? I know I feel that way about certain products. I'm a huge fan of the Rottefella Super Telemark binding and ambivalent about the company.

As I sit with the issue of function with this class of tools, I see 3 options, not 2:
1) pliers, 2) small fine thumb scissors. 3) large pliers style scissors. What is best for somebody's EDC use is entirely YMMV territory. For me, it is the latter. Everything in life is a trade off.

In terms of aesthetics, I agree with you. The Micra wins. An admission...

I have a nervous mind and need to fidget with something in my hands while listening. Coon pawing a Buck 110 during and endless technical meeting at work is frowned upon so I often have my Micra in hand, looking at it with only partial attention. I've discovered something.

It's beautiful - a stunning piece of industrial design - a miniature masterpiece. I mean it.

How can that much functionality be created with that small amount of formed stainless steel? And then be that durable?

Later today I need to do some work on the house and I'll have a full sized MT on me. Last weekend I did a 10 mile backcountry ski tour and carried a PS4 (along with mini vice grips, a t handle driver and a Mora). But for EDC, for me, it's the Micra.

I think that's where I may be now, a fan of a product, maybe, but still not a fan of the company and it's other products. I do love the idea of a small pocket/keychain size tool with a lot of versatility, but if I need more tools, then I want real tools from one of my tool boxes that I have around. The micra and squirt fill my mania for maximum minimalism, from my love of packing light when traveling.

But all of this has been a bit of a new age shock to my system, as I am very slow to accept change. No, that's not quite true, I don't like change at all. This is from a guy who drove the same VW bug for almost 30 years, used the same Smith and Wesson .38 revolver for 40 years, and carried the same Buck 301 stockman for 25 years. Only after the 'ol lady practically forced me to sit down and learn to use a computer (big deal for a technophobe) that I learned the existence of something called forums. Then Knife forums. Then it was a loosing game and I started to change up my edc. Now I'm going with a Glock 9mm, driving a car with an automatic transmission, and even, (makes sign of the cross and mutters a Hail Mary,) starting to carry a Leatherman tool. And it's all your fault really. There I was, fat dumb and happy, with a Sear's 4-way keychain screw driver in wallet and a Vic classic on my keyring for 20 years. I was real used to that setup. But I was standing there looking at this big rabbit hole wondering what was down there, and somebody shoves me from behind and I fall in. As I'm going down, there's 'ol Dave waving at me! :D

Now after all those years of carrying a classic and Sear's 4-way, the girls come home from a shopping trip to Bed Bath and Beyond with some new kitchen stuff, and Karen hands me a box and asks me to open it. I pull out a nice blue Leatherman squirt, slice open the plastic tape sealing it, and Karen and daughter Jess are both looking at me strange. Jess asks me "Dad, what's that?" and I have to explain that I'm testing out a Leatherman squirt vs a Leatherman micra. Now even the dog is looking at me with a worried expression.

What hath thou wrought, Dave?

But I do have to agree the the micra is a marvel of miniature industrial design. I hope the squirt can live up to that standard. But meanwhile, I have to put up some sacked out broad ranting about someone painting her roses red, and I'm still looking of the big white rabbit to show me the way out of this place!:eek:

Edit to add; I know what you mean by coon fingering. That was one of the things I loved about the classic, is was so small that I could get away with fidgeting with it in public, even using the nail file to smooth out a rough spot, and nobody ever gave it a second glance. It seems when it gets under a certain size, it falls off the radar. Kind of like that German kid who flew a little prop Cessna airplane right into the Kremlin and landed it in Red Square. The whole soviet defense system was thwarted by a little single engine Cessna. I've noticed that micra falls under the radar as well. People don't get alarmed by it, even in the ultra secure complex of Washington D.C.

These days, under the radar is a good thing.
 
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Carl,

I remember the climbing trip where I got introduce to Wild Turkey 101, and the guy who offered it to me. He introduced me to it, but my relationship with corn is between me and the corn. I did nothing here but make the introduction. If the Micra has won you over, it's done so on it's own. Good design, like good burbon, earns its keep on its own merits.
 
Love the Squirt. Have all the models and a few extras on the PS4 scattered about.

As far as tiny scissor based Leathermans go though, the Style CS is easily my favorite. Not quite as tool heavy as the Squirt, but you get the Micra/S4 scissors in a 1.4 oz package with a much nicer handle IMO. Knife, tweezers, nail file/screwdriver, and a far superior bottle opener. Plus it clips. :)

I'm more interested in getting the functionality of a standard 4-6 blade SAK and a small pliers based MT in a single, sub 4 oz package.

The Squirt (and Gerber Dime) are both close, as is the Juice.

I would like to see something the size of the Juice, only thinner and lighter. I think the Micra and original PST type frame would be the way to do it.

They did make the Mini-Tool. http://www.leatherman.com/83.html

Not exactly easy to find nowadays though.
 
Love the Squirt. Have all the models and a few extras on the PS4 scattered about.

As far as tiny scissor based Leathermans go though, the Style CS is easily my favorite. Not quite as tool heavy as the Squirt, but you get the Micra/S4 scissors in a 1.4 oz package with a much nicer handle IMO. Knife, tweezers, nail file/screwdriver, and a far superior bottle opener. Plus it clips. :)

They did make the Mini-Tool. http://www.leatherman.com/83.html

Not exactly easy to find nowadays though.

Actually, I find that the Micra and Squirt/Style scissors are noticeably different in shape and the ways they cut. Between them, I have found (admittedly based on only a few samples) that the Micra cuts more cleanly, the Sq/St can push through heavier materials (her S4 is my wife's favorite toenail clipper for that reason :thumbup::D). The CS is a really sweet design, hangs great on a key ring.
 
Actually, I find that the Micra and Squirt/Style scissors are noticeably different in shape and the ways they cut. Between them, I have found (admittedly based on only a few samples) that the Micra cuts more cleanly, the Sq/St can push through heavier materials (her S4 is my wife's favorite toenail clipper for that reason :thumbup::D). The CS is a really sweet design, hangs great on a key ring.

Ah, you are correct, sir. Looking at 'em, the S4/CS scissors are a bit shorter and thicker than on the Micra. :thumbup:
 
So where are you sitting with it today Carl? I put a micra in my pocket for quite awhile and can't decide if I should try the squirt.... I think the pliers might be useful..... but I could also just clamp some bolts with the micra..... The ES4 might work for me too. The tip of that wire strippers is a plier and might handle small tasks, I'd use it for.... hmm.
 
So where are you sitting with it today Carl? I put a micra in my pocket for quite awhile and can't decide if I should try the squirt.... I think the pliers might be useful..... but I could also just clamp some bolts with the micra..... The ES4 might work for me too. The tip of that wire strippers is a plier and might handle small tasks, I'd use it for.... hmm.

How would you clamp bolts with a Micra?
 
Here's my Leatherman Squirt PS4...I keep it in a small pouch designed for carrying SD Cards or earphones, it's made by Griffin.

 
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