In search of a perfect convex fixed blade

[Skogsnatt]

Becker Knives. In fact for your budget you could get the BK2 (indestructible as far as knives go) or a BK9 (great chopper, but beyond your chosen size range) AND a Mora or SAK - which are never a bad things to have in the woods.

A true monster yet not convex...

 

[Skogsnatt]

I've been extensively testing an A1 and I don't know what these vloggers are doing with their knives and/or perhaps not maintaining the convex edge but I've been using hard for days now and no chipping/deformation, it's a very strong knife.

Was batoning some very very knotty, resinous wood today, I tried for comparison the A1 v Ontario Sp10. The Sp10 wouldn't baton some of the wood and even that which it did it struggled. The A1 had no trouble, due I'm sure to the shape/grind/thickness for a knife that is not large (depth) compared to the Sp10. But thus far its proved a very strong blade and would meet your requirements although a little outside your budget.

I believe, the quality may differ from batche to batch. Or probably she has another steel knife.
Just in case you interested:

Thank you!

 

[Skogsnatt]

Not sure about the convex grind but you could probably have that done or do it yourself. The Esee 5 comes to mind for a 5" blade in a close to unbreakable blade. There is also Swamprat you may be able to pick up but may cost a bit more as well as the Esse 5. Good luck on your hunt the fun part the chase.

Oh man, esee 5 is a damn cool knife, if we're talking about S35VN option with orange scales
If only I would not already have 7 knives of scandi, flat and saber grinds, I'd pick him for sure.
Thanks

 

[Skogsnatt]

If you can "chop" with a 3 inch blade, all power to you. I have "chopped" with my 4 inch Falkniven F1, but compared to my 6.3in A1 it's night and day. And it's even moreso with my 9.5in Cold Steel San Mai Trail Master. In my opinion "choppabilty" increases with blade length and weight. With or without a convex grind.
You're right that there aren't too many options out there, as I understand convex grind knives are more difficult to produce than others. But what is out there doesn't seem to be overly priced for what they are.
If your budget is fixed, I'd look at non-convex grind large knives of which there are countless options.

Obviously, the longer the blade, the better it chops.
True again, there are few options, but I won't give up, I keep fighting!
Seriously, the above advice of the Real Steel Bushcraft plus - is really attractive to me. Yeah, it's not cool looking, but it's an advantage because I won't feel sorry for him hammering it into an oak stump, haha. Also it's made of 14c28n which I can totally rely on.

PS: I heard that untill these days there are no machines able to produce a convex grind, it's only hand made. That's why it's rare

 

[J. Doyle]

Your insistence on a fully convexed grind (in addition to your max budget) is the real limiting factor.

I'm curious what you think a convex grind will do that a flat grind won't?.....or what task is a convex grind so much better at?

A flat grind with convex edge is a pretty great setup and doesn't have any distinct disadvantages.

 

[old4570]

Real Steel ( already Posted ) ( Ones with convex edge )
Fallkniven
Bark River (?)

 

[Skogsnatt]

Your insistence on a fully convexed grind (in addition to your max budget) is the real limiting factor.

I'm curious what you think a convex grind will do that a flat grind won't?.....or what task is a convex grind so much better at?

A flat grind with convex edge is a pretty great setup and doesn't have any distinct disadvantages.

That's the whole point, I'm not hurrying, and it's kinda a game for me, to find a knife I want.

I must acknowledge there's a decent difference between these two grind types. It's where the physics takes its own, because of the friction - it's less when cutting with a convex grind. It's kinda spreading the matter being cut, hence goes deeper. Talking about splitting a log, the same thing, convex blade will go easier through the wood, because the friction area is much less than any other grind types, where the flat will be the worse, particularly.

Agree, convex edge is much stronger than V-edge, yet not giving those qualities of a full convex blade.

 

[Skogsnatt]

As far es I know, the Nomad is convex all the way from the very edge to the shoulder, not just the edge. For chopping it would work in a pinch, but 7"+ would work much better.

PS: I looked at the pictures thoroughly, and maybe it really has a "high convex", yet not full, obviously.

 

[A.L.]

”Buy man a convex and he will be convexing around one day. Teach man to convex and he will convert to convex for the rest of his life”

- Sun Tzu

 

[GAGL]

You can buy a LionSteel fixed blade and convex them yourself, they're rather thick behind the edge. I convexed my M1.

They're currently on sale on BHQ.

 

[ferider]

I must acknowledge there's a decent difference between these two grind types. It's where the physics takes its own, because of the friction - it's less when cutting with a convex grind. It's kinda spreading the matter being cut, hence goes deeper. Talking about splitting a log, the same thing, convex blade will go easier through the wood, because the friction area is much less than any other grind types, where the flat will be the worse, particularly..

I disagree unless you use a steel hammer. You are missing other parts of the “physics”. These days I baton with a hollow grind because applying more force to a thicker spine is easier.

 

[J. Doyle]

That's the whole point, I'm not hurrying, and it's kinda a game for me, to find a knife I want.

I must acknowledge there's a decent difference between these two grind types. It's where the physics takes its own, because of the friction - it's less when cutting with a convex grind. It's kinda spreading the matter being cut, hence goes deeper. Talking about splitting a log, the same thing, convex blade will go easier through the wood, because the friction area is much less than any other grind types, where the flat will be the worse, particularly.

Agree, convex edge is much stronger than V-edge, yet not giving those qualities of a full convex blade.

Yeah, I've heard people repeat the talking points ad nauseum. And I don't necessarily dispute the physics of it at the core. I'm asking for real world, tangible differences in real use scenarios.

I've yet to see anyone point out anything in a real side by side comparison where a full convex grind made much, if any, difference.

Honestly, I don't really personally care if you find the knife or not. Ultimately, you'll need to determine if you actually want the knife or if you just want the chase.

 

[Alberta Ed]

Mora Garberg (carbon or 14C28N) might fit your needs and budget; you could convex the edge.

 

[Skogsnatt]

You can buy a LionSteel fixed blade and convex them yourself, they're rather thick behind the edge. I convexed my M1.

They're currently on sale on BHQ.

My fav is T6. What a knife!
I'd never risk to touch it, no way

 

[Skogsnatt]

Yeah, I've heard people repeat the talking points ad nauseum. And I don't necessarily dispute the physics of it at the core. I'm asking for real world, tangible differences in real use scenarios.

I've yet to see anyone point out anything in a real side by side comparison where a full convex grind made much, if any, difference.

Honestly, I don't really personally care if you find the knife or not. Ultimately, you'll need to determine if you actually want the knife or if you just want the chase.

If you didn't see doesn't mean there are none, mr Doyle.
Thank you for your advice, I won't bother you anymore.

 

[Skogsnatt]

Mora Garberg (carbon or 14C28N) might fit your needs and budge; you could convex the edge.

I'd rather take a chance with Mora than Lionsteel, certainly, haha

 

[rileybassman1]

Monterey Bay Fildtrekker is a great knife close to what you are asking for... blade is slightly shorter then you are looking... but if you want to chop get a machete or something to go with it.

Used you could find it for what you are looking to pay and it's full height convex and a wonderfully shaped blade.

 

[J. Doyle]

If you didn't see doesn't mean there are none, mr Doyle.

And yet, you can't provide it either. I wonder if you even know why it NEEDS to be a convex grind?.......other than something you've heard and now repeat?

Thank you for your advice, I won't bother you anymore.

No bother at all. I was just trying to point out that your knife might be easier to obtain if there was some wiggle room in your criteria.

But it seems that you are after the chase more than the knife, so more power to you. Best of luck to you on your unicorn hunt search.

 

[Skogsnatt]

Monterey Bay Fildtrekker is a great knife close to what you are asking for... blade is slightly shorter then you are looking... but if you want to chop get a machete or something to go with it.

Used you could find it for what you are looking to pay and it's full height convex and a wonderfully shaped blade.

Interesting. Looking at it. It's stylish.
Thanks!

As for the chopping, folks, you may be mad at me, but have anyone ever seen an axe, the tool designed to chop, with blade longer than machete? I mean that weight chops, not the length. If so, we don't need the long blade, we need power hit. As I already said, the lanyard gives you that power with a leverage, as you hold the knife way too further than the normal grip, with only an index and middle fingers on a handle and the rest on lanyard. Moreover, there is even more power from a swing between the end of handle and a your fingers on lanyard.
Physics!
Don't be mad, just try

 

[Skogsnatt]

And yet, you can't provide it either. I wonder if you even know why it NEEDS to be a convex grind?.......other than something you've heard and now repeat?


No bother at all. I was just trying to point out that your knife might be easier to obtain if there was some wiggle room in your criteria.

But it seems that you are after the chase more than the knife, so more power to you. Best of luck to you on your unicorn hunt search.

Look, just imagine a thick log, ok? let's say it's already split. Now imagine we put a wedge into that dense gap, ok?
And then imagine metal ball there. Now I'll ask you, which object has a higher friction in that position?