in terms of strength, who wins. choice A, or B?

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BePrepared said:
um... really?

Bro, that's like asking us to compare Hi-point to glock.... it's just silly

Cold steel (excluding a few of their VERY high end stuff) is just a joke.
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I have a joke getting pocket time right now then. My joke of an American Lawman has served me well for two years now.
 
folders - Cold Steel
fixed blades - Cold Steel

but Cold Steel would have a higher incidence of broken fixed blades since some designs have stress risers. Doesn't alter them having brick-like 1055 blades as well. ZT definitely uses steels with a better balance of properties and much higher resistances, but AUS8, 4116, and clad steels aren't brittle. Trying to say a frame lock beats a 4mm lockback, or any lock other than a liner or viro is pretty funny.

ZT uses nicer materials and has a better warranty.
 
If I ever needed customer support, I'd take ZT without hesitation not to mention strength and quality. As long as this thread isn't just about locks, the ZT is an easy winner for me personally.
 
bladeboss said:
A-cold steel
B-ZT
in general all around use of any products made by either brand. not talking rust-resistance, but physical strength:confused:
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instead of asking very broad questions (which won't really get you any solid answers), why don't you tell us what type of knife you are looking for, what you will use it for and how much money you can spend, then we can all better help you.

what type of knowledge are you trying to gain by posting a question like this? both companies make many different knives, for different purposes, in different price ranges.

p.s. maybe i should swing by a car forum and ask who makes a better car, honda or nissan :rolleyes:
 
BladeChick777 said:
ZT Folders Are Stronger Than Cold Steel Folders
Cold Steel Fixed Blades Are Probably Stronger Than ZT Folders.
ZT Fixed Blades Are Stronger Than Cold Steels Folders And Fixed Blades.

So Overall - ZT...
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I disagree.

Although ZT may use slightly more high-end materials, it seems that (from the research I have done) Cold Steel's Tri-Ad Lock is simply unbeaten in the folder world.
 
crom said:
Are you the same guy who pops in every week or so to ask a question like "which knife would you choose to defend your life with and why?" What are you doing with this research? Both companies make damn strong knives, what do you intend to use them for?
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no, i am not. i have actually never asked that.
im also not trying to get my post count up.
how am i being a troll by asking simple questions? how else am i supposed to get my anser when this is basically the only website for talking about knives.
if i wanted to be troll, theres much better things for me to rattle on about.
geez. i didnt think i was hated on this website in under a month
 
bladeboss said:
no, i am not. i have actually never asked that.
im also not trying to get my post count up.
how am i being a troll by asking simple questions? how else am i supposed to get my anser when this is basically the only website for talking about knives.
if i wanted to be troll, theres much better things for me to rattle on about.
geez. i didnt think i was hated on this website in under a month
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No worries, dude--it's just a common symptom of being new to the knife world. You're bound to think that things are as simple as a "This > That" when it's a lot closer to the "Apples to Cactus" analogy that Maddogg774 made. Every major manufacturer is essentially a quality one of some kind or another, and they all occupy different places on the overal build/materials quality scale. Every design has its advantages and disadvantages, and "strength" is a vague term. Lock strength? Lateral strength? Shock resistance? Pivot strength? Point strength? All will be determined by the individual design. Comparing an overall company to another in regards to something like "strength" is simply not possible without referencing specific models.

Both Cold Steel and Zero Tolerance make some very tough knives, but they both go about it in very different ways.
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
No worries, dude--it's just a common symptom of being new to the knife world. You're bound to think that things are as simple as a "This > That" when it's a lot closer to the "Apples to Cactus" analogy that Maddogg774 made. Every major manufacturer is essentially a quality one of some kind or another, and they all occupy different places on the overal build/materials quality scale. Every design has its advantages and disadvantages, and "strength" is a vague term. Lock strength? Lateral strength? Shock resistance? Pivot strength? Point strength? All will be determined by the individual design. Comparing an overall company to another in regards to something like "strength" is simply not possible without referencing specific models.

Both Cold Steel and Zero Tolerance make some very tough knives, but they both go about it in very different ways.
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Can we sticky this post?
 
I think a couple people might have thought you were Infamousone posting a this/that thread again.

I love my Zt's, and I really can't see a comparison, though the cold steels are ridiculous strong.
 
17pes said:
I think a couple people might have thought you were Infamousone posting a this/that thread again.

I love my Zt's, and I really can't see a comparison, though the cold steels are ridiculous strong.
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Often to the point of being overbuilt, in fact. But when your marketing campaign revolves around beating the crap out of your products you can't expect your customers not to do the same (even if you tell them not to!) and that's going to affect your design philosophy.
 
No worries Boss and I apologize. But the post sounded just like the posts from the other guy who never returns to follow up on the comments after posting a similar question. Good luck, I am not an engineer but i'd give the advantage to Cold Steel folders with the Triad lock. Don't be swayed by people who have never handled one but feel it necessary to dismiss them. They are well made with a decent (AUS8-A) entry-level to mid level steel.
 
I mean I can understand why so many people dismiss the tri ad lock. Cold steel picked it up with the locks creator, Andrew demko. People wont separate the two and instead let their prejudice determine their answer. Its a shame really.

I used to be like that. Until I actually tried out cold steel. Then I was able to get my hands on a demko AD 10. Then I understood.

My favorite EDC is the zt200. I've also got a zt301. So I think its safe to say I've got a very good indication of how strong kershaw can make a knife.

I don't think either would beat out my cold steel Spartan. And its not just because you can go on YouTube and see Andrew abusing stock cold steel folders on a level that you have to see to believe, but that's part of it.

I'm curious to what makes people say the tri ad just has no chance of being stronger?
 
jakeyjake4528 said:
I mean I can understand why so many people dismiss the tri ad lock. Cold steel picked it up with the locks creator, Andrew demko. People wont separate the two and instead let their prejudice determine their answer. Its a shame really.

I used to be like that. Until I actually tried out cold steel. Then I was able to get my hands on a demko AD 10. Then I understood.

My favorite EDC is the zt200. I've also got a zt301. So I think its safe to say I've got a very good indication of how strong kershaw can make a knife.

I don't think either would beat out my cold steel Spartan. And its not just because you can go on YouTube and see Andrew abusing stock cold steel folders on a level that you have to see to believe, but that's part of it.

I'm curious to what makes people say the tri ad just has no chance of being stronger?
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Yeah, in my opinion picking up Andrew Demko was the single wisest thing that Cold Steel has ever done. Great guy with solid designs and while he certainly has no qualms with demonstrating what his work is capable of handling, he tempers the "THIS IS THE BEST NOTHING CAN BEAT IT! RARGH!" attitude that CS projects as a whole. He's very down to earth about his work.
 
My recon 1 has no blade play, my ZT 0300 does unless I keep it tightened up. That maybe the nature of the beast of the assisted opening. As far as ZT fixed stronger than Cold Steel...ummmmm proof?
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
Yeah, in my opinion picking up Andrew Demko was the single wisest thing that Cold Steel has ever done. Great guy with solid designs and while he certainly has no qualms with demonstrating what his work is capable of handling, he tempers the "THIS IS THE BEST NOTHING CAN BEAT IT! RARGH!" attitude that CS projects as a whole. He's very down to earth about his work.
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Without a doubt.

Just imagine a cold steel version of the lawman about halfway between the current cs one and the custom. One with liners, sculpted G10, and a steel that's more accepted. 5mm thick blade, just like the rocker bar. Bulked up components like the Spartan but in a slightly smaller package. These discussions about the strongest folder would take a pretty different turn.

As it is, people don't seem to believe the lightweight recons are super tough. Or that the Spartan is not beat in terms of strength for its price. Oh well. Cold steel certainly isn't missing out in terms of sales.
 
Maddogg774 said:
My recon 1 has no blade play, my ZT 0300 does unless I keep it tightened up. That maybe the nature of the beast of the assisted opening. As far as ZT fixed stronger than Cold Steel...ummmmm proof?
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I think most people will bring the 0100 in CPM 3V as proof, which is kind of unfair because it's not representative of the rest of ZT's fixed blades, and Cold Steel doesn't have anything in nearly an equivalent steel. I hate to say it, but I don't think the ZT 14C28N blades have the same durability as the CS SK5 fixed blades, it's just a mechanic of the steel chosen.
 
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