Indonesian Credit Card Scam Help Please!

Yup, knives (incl. shipping) would come cheaper from Singapore. I think the shop at Beach Rd was mentioned to be only slightly what you get over the internet plus shipping.

From another angle: Leatherman's product is available here, the SuperTool 200 is priced 120$ .. and as i said in other thread, a BM720 costs us US$450 :eek:

So, if someone from Canada can guarantee a delivered supply at reasonable discount, the buyer might be able to resell the goods. This is doubtful however, remembering the customs and import taxes .. unless you get someone to put that into luggage and travel down here ...

So, Normark, i think it's a scam.
 
Chris "Anagarika" said:
Yup, knives (incl. shipping) would come cheaper from Singapore. I think the shop at Beach Rd was mentioned to be only slightly what you get over the internet plus shipping.

From another angle: Leatherman's product is available here, the SuperTool 200 is priced 120$ .. and as i said in other thread, a BM720 costs us US$450 :eek:

So, if someone from Canada can guarantee a delivered supply at reasonable discount, the buyer might be able to resell the goods. This is doubtful however, remembering the customs and import taxes .. unless you get someone to put that into luggage and travel down here ...

So, Normark, i think it's a scam.
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IMO, knives are a quite a bit cheaper from the States except maybe leathermans on discount.

Eric/Normark,
Isn't there a way to encash the bank check/draft first? I think that as long as the bank draft doesn't look "forged" or "fake" on the face of the bank draft, there's no loss on your part. If it turns out to be forged or fake, that's the bank's loss.

I've done some projects in Indonesia and I'm afraid the scamming, corruption and theft etc has more than a kilogramme of truth to them.
 
Normark,

I think that we had this same customer trying to place an identical order with us. He wanted 100 Leatherman waves shipped to Indonesia. We initially told him that we would only process the order if we received payment up front in the form of a wire or transfer. He was not agreeable to this and indicated that he would prefer payment with a credit card. We indicated that we would look into this option but would require a letter from the issuing bank of his card along with a copy of his credit card statement. Strangely, we never head back from him after making these requests. I would be very leery of this situation. Drop me an email at jeff@knivesusa.com if you want me to send you the email of the customer that we dealt with - I would be curious to see if they are the same person - or if it is a scam with several Indonesian people attempting it.
 
Got to agree with Tom. When I worked for Blade Art we got hit with a $2K order from a "Dr." knife collector from Singapore. As soon as the knives were received the charges on the card were reversed and the card was then reported stolen. Coincedentally my buddy Laci Szabo was hit by the same "Dr." a week before with a totally different card number. Shame we didn't co-ordinate and see it was the asme a#%hole!

The scam works by them having the items sent to an address that is an empty lot. Their post people take it back to the PO, then the "party" arrives to claim the package. No way to trace it.

I will not ship to Russia or Singapore for that reason. As I recall neither will TAD.
 
Hi V.Oller,
I'm surprised about the Singapore thing. I'm from Singapore - have had many successful trades and sales - from dealers and forumites.

Perhaps you could drop me an email on that Dr# scam - I'd like to see what address he used. For collection at the post office, the postal clerks usually insist on seeing an identity card (similar to a social security card), which must state the name and proper address.

I must say that I'm really sad that you feel that way about Singapore - hope I can convince you that some of us are really people with integrity. There'll always be the bad sheep - Singapore, Indonesia or the US.

btw...you can use http://www.streetdirectory.com.sg to check if the address is real.

regards,
 
wolfmann601 said:
Go with a wire transfer.
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The only trouble with a wire transfer, as I see it, is that you have to give your bank data to the prospective buyer. I really would not be comfortable revealing my bank account number to a potential scammer.
 
I'm surprised your have an issue with shipping overseas because of fraud. Fraud is pretty easy to detect. The real problem is chargebacks as products are delayed in shipment or in transit. That's huge compared to fraud and that's the reason we don't ship overseas anywhere. Take care.
 
I got a $7,000 multi-tool order from Indonesia once. I came very close to becoming a multi-tool myself. This is your brain :) . This is your brain after doing a transaction to Indonesia :(
 
Hey Guys....

Thanks for all of the good advice and personal emails regarding this....

As Kid Rock would say:

"I was born at night, but Not last night!"

Thanks again Guys, Advice taken...

ttyle

Eric....
 
Hey all

just to add that i buy some Keris and other edged weapons from Indonesia and many of the sellers there are aware of how bad the rep is.. they would say make sure you have money in hand/wallet/purse before you send the goods..

just one other thing.. i do wonder why some knife dealers won't ship to the Uk .. :confused:

ah well

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ummmm I would like to buy a 1000 sebenzas from one of you guys...A cashiers check drawn on a nigerian bank is what I will be using as payment..is that ok with you... :D ??
 
Speaking about waiting for bank drafts to clear...

I remember reading about a case where a fellow received a bank money order for a trade. Asked the bank if it was legit -- they scanned the magnetic numbers and it came up good.

He still waited the 4-5 days for it to clear before shipping the goods. The funds were IN his account.

About a week and a half later, the bank withdrew the money from that draft, claiming that the money order was fraudulent and there was nothing he could do about it.

It happens...

-j
 
I'm sorry if I offended anyone. Such was not the intention and I'm sure that there are MANY decent, honest folks in Singapore.

Unfortunately, having been stung to the tune of $2k and having spoken to other dealers on this, I know I might lose some very good customers. I have to wiegh potential losses against actual loss. Getting a charge back AFTER you have had that moeny in the bank and counted on it to pay bills is, in my opinion MUCH worse, than potential loss!

I know this is controversial and if any one want to, feel free to e-mail me and we can discuss it further in private.
 
Hello guys,

Yes, I know that this is a long burried thread, but I feel that I have to say something.

I am from Indonesia, and I am totally understand about whay you guys felt.
Have to admit also, that the rate of fraud is high in Indonesia (not only knives, clothing, electronics etc)
I am a knife dealer myself and always got trouble when buying knives, because of my location.
Right now, I am an authorized dealer for several Major brands (Spyd*rco, Ch*is Re*ve, etc).

Usually, i will let the seller know that I am a legit buyer, and I dont mind at all about paying with Bank wire transfer, which is exactly what I did everytime I place an order.

So, if someone offended or pulled back after they are asked to pay using wire transfer, you should be very careful, because dealer like me when paying a large amount using CC is suicide because of their currency rates.

if you guys need any info about those guys, please dont hesitate to contact me at pts652003(at)yahoo(dot)co(dot)uk.
most likely I can help with some useful information.
 
pts652003 said:
Hello guys,

Yes, I know that this is a long burried thread, but I feel that I have to say something.

I am from Indonesia, and I am totally understand about whay you guys felt.
Have to admit also, that the rate of fraud is high in Indonesia (not only knives, clothing, electronics etc)
I am a knife dealer myself and always got trouble when buying knives, because of my location.
Right now, I am an authorized dealer for several Major brands (Spyd*rco, Ch*is Re*ve, etc).

Usually, i will let the seller know that I am a legit buyer, and I dont mind at all about paying with Bank wire transfer, which is exactly what I did everytime I place an order.

So, if someone offended or pulled back after they are asked to pay using wire transfer, you should be very careful, because dealer like me when paying a large amount using CC is suicide because of their currency rates.

if you guys need any info about those guys, please dont hesitate to contact me at pts652003(at)yahoo(dot)co(dot)uk.
most likely I can help with some useful information.
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Welcome pts!

He speaks the truth! The only safe way to do international business is via wire-transfer. Legitimate businesses know this and have no problems paying this way. Refusal to, or suggesting to pay in any other way is a tip-off of a scam.
 
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