INFI (Infi) - what is it?

[paua]

Well, you have to give it to Jerry and all the Busse Knife suporters that they have successfuly built up this hogcult. Be it marketing hype or the grassroots bigotry, it's not that often you get to be part of some legend.

 

[resinguy]

Well, you have to give it to Jerry and all the Busse Knife suporters that they have successfuly built up this hogcult. Be it marketing hype or the grassroots bigotry, it's not that often you get to be part of some legend.

Bartender, give that man some more Kool-Ade! :thumbup:

 

[Rat Finkenstein]

On http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=73062

By Out5yder

Busse knives are they worth it?


" In my opinion, any object worths it if it is useful to you more than the amount of money you have spent on it.

If you want to have the feeling of having the most indestructible knife on the planet and if you believe this feeling deserves the money for a Busse knife, then it worths it. If you want to impress your neigbours by showing them you have the most indestructible knife on Earth and you feel this makes you enough happy that it worths to pay those money for it, then it worths it. If you intend to cut nails, screws, thick metal wire and you want to do this with a knife while you have other more obvious choices, then it worths it.

Practically speaking, the only advantage of a Busse Combat knife is the indestructibility of its INFI steel and nothing else (the indestructibility given by the fact it does not chip while hiting dull materials). INFI does not poseses the best edge retention, it does not poseses the best edge achieveing ability, it does not poseses the best shock resistence, it does not poseses the best corosion resistence, it does not have the most obvious ease of sharpening and its records on lateral strenght are still discutable since many big knifes have comparable lateral strength regardless the steel they are made from. INFI is only a good balance of all of these properties and has as a big advantage only the fact it does not chip at 59HRC if it hits hard materials. Furthermore, the designs of Busse knives are not at all the best. A proper design for a knife is half of its practical value. But Busses are heavy, most of them have a too thick tip and the overall design is good only for a few kind of cuts and for chopping. They stuck in wood when you use them for batonning and the tip of most busse knives penetrates with too much efort and difficulty soft materials such of flash covered by warmly dressing (compared to an AK-47 bayonet or to a Fallkniven knife for example).

Busses ARE NOT the best knives on the market from the practical point of view. And their value constantly increasing on the secondary market is given only by what psychologists call "The Principle of Insufficiency". Busse Combat does not produce a coherent line of knives such as companies which have discovered an optimised practical knife design do. They put on sale a particular model for a couple of months and then they change to another design and another name. People know they cannot find a particular knife for too long and they feel that knife has a very high value just because it will be more and more rarely to find after the stock finishes. Jerry Busse knows this and he concentrates only on making of newer designs to replace the existing ones and so on. Also, the words "limited edition" are very often used on the Busse Combat site. So, the value of these knives are especially given by the marketing strategy. If you don't believe me, just think about this: If a knife design is so good, ergonomic and optimised, why it is not produced again and again in "non limited at all" editions and why isn't the production growing constantly all over the world?? This should be a natural consequence of a really revolutionary good quality product: the company would extend and the production would constantly grow and that product would soon become easily available all over the world because its purchase is guaranteed by its quality. But with Busses, this natural law is not working, so, it means Busses are not so revolutionary as they seem to be and their success on the market is maintained by the principle of insuficiency.

There are much beter knives out there for any kind of works and for all-in-one or survival too, but I don't want to give examples because I don't want to make advertising. The best knife IS NOT the one which is more resistent when used for things that are not supposed to be acomplished with a knife, and the best knife IS NOT the one wich resists better when used in an inadequate way. The best knife is the one which performs the tasks (which it is intended for) in the best and optimised way possible."

That guy seems to have very limited experience with the knives.

 

[Coupchoux]

Whatever. It's not so important. When you Love, you Love.

 

[Buffalohump]

I'm starting to feel like Alice after she followed the White Rabbit down the hole...LOL

... but thanks for trying guys, the picture is a little 'clearer' now.

 

[LMT66]

400 plus chops into dead hardwood and not a chip, roll, blemish, dent or anything else and it still cut paper. Hype, Cult, Koolaid ?? To me, its the best steel Ive used. I buy for performance. My others big (no names mentioned but are well known) blades either cracked in half, edges rolled over and became dull after 20 or 30 chops. I'd rather spend more on one busse than a little on multiples that fail.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=576745&page=5

 

[Elen]

That guy seems to have very limited experience with the knives.

Agreed. :thumbup: And I find his use of the words "dull materials" rather hilarious for some reason. And you also got to love the part where he says there are better knives, but he doesn't want to name them.

That said, sure, there are knives that are better for some tasks than Busses. I wouldn't want to do my kitchen tasks or wood carving with a Busse. But for those who are looking for a seriously tough and durable survival type knife from EDC size to large chopper, I don't see anyone who's making a better knife for that than Busse.

 

[Cpl Punishment]

Well, since this thread was started, I'll ask here.

Looking at the hell I've put my Hellrazor through lately and how it reacted to being sharpened on my diamond hones, would I be correct in assessing that it would be classified as a type of spring steel?

 

[Steven65]

By Out5yder
Busse knives are they worth it?

The Internet......Giving morons a voice since 1989

 

[papathud]

Busse knives are knives that I can be stupid with and have less bad results.

Aside from the whole "cut my self" thing.

Little thin Mora's are handier for a lot of things, but I like the Busses(Bussies ?) for the big choppers the best, and am getting fonder of the smaller knives as they get thiner.

 

[rbmcmjr]

Well, since this thread was started, I'll ask here.

Looking at the hell I've put my Hellrazor through lately and how it reacted to being sharpened on my diamond hones, would I be correct in assessing that it would be classified as a type of spring steel?

I think Jerry would simply classify it as a "complex carbon steel" but there have been contentions that it is a member of the "chipper" steel family.

 

[Coupchoux]

If I compare my puukkos or little knives made from 1095 steel, with my Busse Game Warden, I would say that 1095 is sharper and hold a better edge.

But, with flexions and impacts on hard materials, my Ash-1 INFI is a really more robust than all the other knives I have (or had).

And the design is magic...:thumbup: Everytime I handle a Busse I'm in Paradise. I will love my Busse GW and Ash-1 to death.

 

[mhawg]

I don't know what's in it but it will suck the life out of your credit card!!

 

[GregS]

On http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=73062

By Out5yder

Busse knives are they worth it?


" In my opinion, any object worths it if it is useful to you more than the amount of money you have spent on it.

If you want to have the feeling of having the most indestructible knife on the planet and if you believe this feeling deserves the money for a Busse knife, then it worths it. If you want to impress your neigbours by showing them you have the most indestructible knife on Earth and you feel this makes you enough happy that it worths to pay those money for it, then it worths it. If you intend to cut nails, screws, thick metal wire and you want to do this with a knife while you have other more obvious choices, then it worths it.

Practically speaking, the only advantage of a Busse Combat knife is the indestructibility of its INFI steel and nothing else (the indestructibility given by the fact it does not chip while hiting dull materials). INFI does not poseses the best edge retention, it does not poseses the best edge achieveing ability, it does not poseses the best shock resistence, it does not poseses the best corosion resistence, it does not have the most obvious ease of sharpening and its records on lateral strenght are still discutable since many big knifes have comparable lateral strength regardless the steel they are made from. INFI is only a good balance of all of these properties and has as a big advantage only the fact it does not chip at 59HRC if it hits hard materials. Furthermore, the designs of Busse knives are not at all the best. A proper design for a knife is half of its practical value. But Busses are heavy, most of them have a too thick tip and the overall design is good only for a few kind of cuts and for chopping. They stuck in wood when you use them for batonning and the tip of most busse knives penetrates with too much efort and difficulty soft materials such of flash covered by warmly dressing (compared to an AK-47 bayonet or to a Fallkniven knife for example).

Busses ARE NOT the best knives on the market from the practical point of view. And their value constantly increasing on the secondary market is given only by what psychologists call "The Principle of Insufficiency". Busse Combat does not produce a coherent line of knives such as companies which have discovered an optimised practical knife design do. They put on sale a particular model for a couple of months and then they change to another design and another name. People know they cannot find a particular knife for too long and they feel that knife has a very high value just because it will be more and more rarely to find after the stock finishes. Jerry Busse knows this and he concentrates only on making of newer designs to replace the existing ones and so on. Also, the words "limited edition" are very often used on the Busse Combat site. So, the value of these knives are especially given by the marketing strategy. If you don't believe me, just think about this: If a knife design is so good, ergonomic and optimised, why it is not produced again and again in "non limited at all" editions and why isn't the production growing constantly all over the world?? This should be a natural consequence of a really revolutionary good quality product: the company would extend and the production would constantly grow and that product would soon become easily available all over the world because its purchase is guaranteed by its quality. But with Busses, this natural law is not working, so, it means Busses are not so revolutionary as they seem to be and their success on the market is maintained by the principle of insuficiency.

There are much beter knives out there for any kind of works and for all-in-one or survival too, but I don't want to give examples because I don't want to make advertising. The best knife IS NOT the one which is more resistent when used for things that are not supposed to be acomplished with a knife, and the best knife IS NOT the one wich resists better when used in an inadequate way. The best knife is the one which performs the tasks (which it is intended for) in the best and optimised way possible."

Will all those in the CHEAP SEATS keep it down please.

 

[gatorzingo]

INFI, by no other means, is simply a passion....

 

[Guyon]

On http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=73062

By Out5yder

Busse knives are they worth it?


" In my opinion, any object worths it if it is useful to you more than the amount of money you have spent on it.

If you want to have the feeling of having the most indestructible knife on the planet and if you believe this feeling deserves the money for a Busse knife, then it worths it. If you want to impress your neigbours by showing them you have the most indestructible knife on Earth and you feel this makes you enough happy that it worths to pay those money for it, then it worths it. If you intend to cut nails, screws, thick metal wire and you want to do this with a knife while you have other more obvious choices, then it worths it.

Practically speaking, the only advantage of a Busse Combat knife is the indestructibility of its INFI steel and nothing else (the indestructibility given by the fact it does not chip while hiting dull materials). INFI does not poseses the best edge retention, it does not poseses the best edge achieveing ability, it does not poseses the best shock resistence, it does not poseses the best corosion resistence, it does not have the most obvious ease of sharpening and its records on lateral strenght are still discutable since many big knifes have comparable lateral strength regardless the steel they are made from. INFI is only a good balance of all of these properties and has as a big advantage only the fact it does not chip at 59HRC if it hits hard materials. Furthermore, the designs of Busse knives are not at all the best. A proper design for a knife is half of its practical value. But Busses are heavy, most of them have a too thick tip and the overall design is good only for a few kind of cuts and for chopping. They stuck in wood when you use them for batonning and the tip of most busse knives penetrates with too much efort and difficulty soft materials such of flash covered by warmly dressing (compared to an AK-47 bayonet or to a Fallkniven knife for example).

Busses ARE NOT the best knives on the market from the practical point of view. And their value constantly increasing on the secondary market is given only by what psychologists call "The Principle of Insufficiency". Busse Combat does not produce a coherent line of knives such as companies which have discovered an optimised practical knife design do. They put on sale a particular model for a couple of months and then they change to another design and another name. People know they cannot find a particular knife for too long and they feel that knife has a very high value just because it will be more and more rarely to find after the stock finishes. Jerry Busse knows this and he concentrates only on making of newer designs to replace the existing ones and so on. Also, the words "limited edition" are very often used on the Busse Combat site. So, the value of these knives are especially given by the marketing strategy. If you don't believe me, just think about this: If a knife design is so good, ergonomic and optimised, why it is not produced again and again in "non limited at all" editions and why isn't the production growing constantly all over the world?? This should be a natural consequence of a really revolutionary good quality product: the company would extend and the production would constantly grow and that product would soon become easily available all over the world because its purchase is guaranteed by its quality. But with Busses, this natural law is not working, so, it means Busses are not so revolutionary as they seem to be and their success on the market is maintained by the principle of insuficiency.

There are much beter knives out there for any kind of works and for all-in-one or survival too, but I don't want to give examples because I don't want to make advertising. The best knife IS NOT the one which is more resistent when used for things that are not supposed to be acomplished with a knife, and the best knife IS NOT the one wich resists better when used in an inadequate way. The best knife is the one which performs the tasks (which it is intended for) in the best and optimised way possible."

A single post in which this guy makes repeated general claims, yet never admits to having actually used a Busse knife? That's pretty typical SOP from the peanut gallery.

What do you want to bet he got upset he couldn't find the knife he wanted when he wanted it? So then he registered and fired off a round of stereotypes about Busse knives that he read somewhere else. Reminds me of a few posters here at BFC in the past.

 

[Elen]

A single post in which this guy makes repeated general claims, yet never admits to having actually used a Busse knife? That's pretty typical SOP from the peanut gallery.

What do you want to bet he got upset he couldn't find the knife he wanted when he wanted it? So then he registered and fired off a round of stereotypes about Busse knives that he read somewhere else. Reminds me of a few posters here at BFC in the past.

No, that guy had a Skinny ASH. He's posted videos of it on Youtube. He seemed to like it, then, strangely enough. He seems to have a weird way of judging knife performance, though: first, he'll chop them around the dirt, baton, dig, throw and pry. He'll complain when a Fällkniven A2 chips upon impacting rock. And then he'll come around to say that: "The best knife IS NOT the one which is more resistent when used for things that are not supposed to be acomplished with a knife, and the best knife IS NOT the one wich resists better when used in an inadequate way."

I'm confused.

 

[Cpl Punishment]

Really, it sounds to me like he's bitching about the price. He probably wants them for $40.

 

[Guyon]

No, that guy had a Skinny ASH. He's posted videos of it on Youtube. He seemed to like it, then, strangely enough. He seems to have a weird way of judging knife performance, though: first, he'll chop them around the dirt, baton, dig, throw and pry. He'll complain when a Fällkniven A2 chips upon impacting rock. And then he'll come around to say that: "The best knife IS NOT the one which is more resistent when used for things that are not supposed to be acomplished with a knife, and the best knife IS NOT the one wich resists better when used in an inadequate way."

I'm confused.

Does he have the same username on YouTube Elen? I'd like to view some of these video posts.

The guy does give Busse its props in that long post, but he also makes some claims I either (a) disagree with or (b) don't understand.

 

[Elen]

Does he have the same username on YouTube Elen? I'd like to view some of these video posts.

The guy does give Busse its props in that long post, but he also makes some claims I either (a) disagree with or (b) don't understand.

Yes, he does. You might find this one amusing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehdQxFXKwaI . I certainly did.

Out5yder has recently been pretty active in the "other" knife forum, and also in Noss' forum. Everything he does seems to emphasize hard use to downright abuse (like actually chopping rocks on purpose with the ASH), and he complains about ridiculous things like an acute edge (on a Fällkniven A2) chipping on contact with rocks after a hard chop. And then he says that the best knife isn't the one which is more resistant to damage when abused. Sure, that phrase has a good point, but I don't see where he's getting at. If he thinks durability under abusive use isn't an important factor in knife performance, then I have to wonder why his tests seem to emphasize abusive tasks like chopping into rock and throwing.