INFI vs CruWear vs SR-101

My take on the several toughness comparisons of Infi and [D]3v is that they are more or less on par.

SR101 (~52100) is a little less tough, and CPM Cruwear a little less tough again. The advantage of Cruwear is that you can run it quite a bit harder (64 HRC?). And of course it's more corrosion resistant.
 
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Yeah, this wasn't supposed to be a brand-bash... Just about steel and Bussekin ideas..
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I didn’t think my comment was brand bashing, uncivil, or crude in any way. Not arguing or complaining, just saying. My bad.

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ferider said:
My take on the several toughness comparisons of Infi and [D]3v is that they are more or less on par.

SR101 (~52100) is a little less tough, and CPM Cruwear a little less tough again. The advantage of Cruwear is that you can run it quite a bit harder (64 HRC?). And of course it's more corrosion resistant.
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Thanks for the perspective and experience!! That's what I'm looking for!! So I guess SR-101 is still tougher than cruwear... Good to know!
 
Cobalt said:
So I remember Jerry talking about playing with vascowear decades ago which I think is the steel cpm copied and called cruwear. Don't hold me to that last part, but that's what I sort of remember.
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There was this:

Jerry Busse said:
Yowza!!!! . . . . Thanks for the heads up guys.

Nice to see that he is being honest about it and giving us the design credit. 👍

As long as someone is making a knife for their own personal use and not resale, there's not much to be done about it.

As for Vascowear. . . Man, that is some miserable steel to work with, and I have to raise a glass to anyone who makes a knife out of it with hand tools only. :eek: . . . . It can make for a really long lasting edge, but is VERY difficult to resharpen without power tools. It's fairly rust resistant but greatly lacks in the toughness/impact resistance category when compared to INFI. Overall though, it's a really good steel for a thin edged EDC that is not designed for taking an enormous amount of abuse. It should make for a really nice knife. I have also found it very difficult to get a high polish on. . . It always looks a little cloudy to me . . . Of course, I am not the world's greatest buffer either.

So far it looks like he's doing a really nice job! I hope this fella drinks, because if not, working Vascowear by hand could drive him to it! :D

Let's drink!!! 👍

Jerry :D
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lmcq784 said:
Yeah, this wasn't supposed to be a brand-bash... Just about steel and Bussekin ideas..
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I disagree on what some people here consider "bashing". Also.. I swear a little. I don't like being made to feel like a child being reprimanded by mommy for using shit as a filler word... I mean it'd be different if I just went in and lit someone up. But whatever.. I really don't care either way. I'll just pretend you're all my Great Grandma
 
lmcq784 said:
Thanks for the perspective and experience!! That's what I'm looking for!! So I guess SR-101 is still tougher than cruwear... Good to know!
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I think so too. I do have other knives in cruwear. Bark River being a couple. I still feel like my SR-101 stuff is tougher. I sum it up to the heat treat. I bet Jerry could do crazy stuff with cruwear if he got a hair in his TUSHY 🙄
 
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resinguy said:
Forget
CruWear; let's jump to Magnacut. Jerry, are you guys testing this yet?
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Why ? Magnacut is not as tough as either Infi, [d]3v, sr101 or CPM Cruwear.

Then again, might be a good substitute for Elmax in the steak knife :)
 
to my knowledge Infi is similar to A8 mod and SR101 is similar to 52100. If that is the case CruWear might have less toughness than both but increased edge stability, higher edge retention and corrosion resistance, which is something you might value in a smaller knife for all around use than a dedicated chopper. It is difficult to make comparison before taking out all the other variables out of the equation. It is very difficult to have exactly same blade geometry and hardness to test them out. Still that being said, It seems CruWear has a big hitter in toughness department when normalised for hardness. However, there is not much point in having a high edge retention or edge stability on large chopper (if not used for competition), so I would stick to simpler steels for that purpose as they are cheaper, and easier to sharpen if an unseen nail or stone nicks the edge.
 
murat1983 said:
to my knowledge Infi is similar to A8 mod and SR101 is similar to 52100. If that is the case CruWear might have less toughness than both but increased edge stability, higher edge retention and corrosion resistance, which is something you might value in a smaller knife for all around use than a dedicated chopper. It is difficult to make comparison before taking out all the other variables out of the equation. It is very difficult to have exactly same blade geometry and hardness to test them out. Still that being said, It seems CruWear has a big hitter in toughness department when normalised for hardness. However, there is not much point in having a high edge retention or edge stability on large chopper (if not used for competition), so I would stick to simpler steels for that purpose as they are cheaper, and easier to sharpen if an unseen nail or stone nicks the edge.
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Is cruwear what they use at CRK? I know its by crucible, just not sure which one. Either way, I love the steel used for my umnumzaan, its my number 2 behind infi. Granted, Im no expert, just a casual user and appreciator of fine steel.
 
DamascusBowie said:
Is cruwear what they use at CRK? I know its by crucible, just not sure which one. Either way, I love the steel used for my umnumzaan, its my number 2 behind infi. Granted, Im no expert, just a casual user and appreciator of fine steel.
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likely s30v or s35vn on most Umnumzaans... iirc.

Nice well balanced steels if dialed in. :thumbsup:

It's the anneal, quench, HT protocol as a whole that is the heart & soul of any steel...I'll take 440C with a correct heat treat over M390 with a bad HT, ymmv. 🤷‍♂️
 
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No, this is, posted above. Reposted because it seems people just glossed over the actual answer to this thread, lol. Oh you say, he didn't talk about cruwear. Well, as I stated above Vascowear and cruwear are the same thing. Cruwear is just cpm's copy of vascowear. :)

Jerry Busse said:
Yowza!!!! . . . . Thanks for the heads up guys.

Nice to see that he is being honest about it and giving us the design credit. 👍

As long as someone is making a knife for their own personal use and not resale, there's not much to be done about it.

As for Vascowear. . . Man, that is some miserable steel to work with, and I have to raise a glass to anyone who makes a knife out of it with hand tools only. :eek: . . . . It can make for a really long lasting edge, but is VERY difficult to resharpen without power tools. It's fairly rust resistant but greatly lacks in the toughness/impact resistance category when compared to INFI. Overall though, it's a really good steel for a thin edged EDC that is not designed for taking an enormous amount of abuse. It should make for a really nice knife. I have also found it very difficult to get a high polish on. . . It always looks a little cloudy to me . . . Of course, I am not the world's greatest buffer either.

So far it looks like he's doing a really nice job! I hope this fella drinks, because if not, working Vascowear by hand could drive him to it! :D

Let's drink!!! 👍

Jerry :D
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Cobalt said:
No, this is, posted above. Reposted because it seems people just glossed over the actual answer to this thread, lol. Oh you say, he didn't talk about cruwear. Well, as I stated above Vascowear and cruwear are the same thing. Cruwear is just cpm's copy of vascowear. :)
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So if CruWear is the powder metallurgy version of VascoWear, what would that change? I know that CPM-D2 is supposedly quite different from regular ingot D2...
 
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