INFI vs RAT(ESEE) 1095

I cant bring myself to use my busse, on the other hand I beat the crap out of my ESEE 4 to the point that it has hardly no finish left and the thing keeps on ticking. Honestly dont think you could pry that knife away from me.
Both are nice, with hardly any care both hold up well to corrosion, just easier for me to beat up a $125 knife than a $400 one.
Get one of each, being a knife guy you need one in your collection
 
Longtrang said:
I have used my NMSFNO more than once. Busse knives take quite a bit of use before much wear will show.
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Nice try at trick photography! :D :thumbup:
 
chogue1980 said:
I cant bring myself to use my busse, on the other hand I beat the crap out of my ESEE 4 to the point that it has hardly no finish left and the thing keeps on ticking. Honestly dont think you could pry that knife away from me.
Both are nice, with hardly any care both hold up well to corrosion, just easier for me to beat up a $125 knife than a $400 one.
Get one of each, being a knife guy you need one in your collection
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I feel ya, though for me it's like buying a sports car and not driving it.
 
This is just my experience but here it is:
INFI is much more corrosion resistant.
INFI holds an edge longer.
INFI is easier to sharpen.

Other than that, 1095 works just fine also.
 
Infi isn't really a steel, it is an idea. It is much the same as Cold Steels high carbon steel. It is a trade marked name that lets them use whatever they want without changing the name. Read their website and you'll see it is a steel they select with their heat treat process. Then read all the reviews you can find. They used more than one type of steel on the same models. Per the owner they only way you can tell is send the knife in to them and have them test it. They used A1 on some models.

If you research it you can find out what the steel really is and then decide if you want it.
 
cultivateitnow said:
Infi isn't really a steel, it is an idea. It is much the same as Cold Steels high carbon steel. It is a trade marked name that lets them use whatever they want without changing the name. Read their website and you'll see it is a steel they select with their heat treat process. Then read all the reviews you can find. They used more than one type of steel on the same models. Per the owner they only way you can tell is send the knife in to them and have them test it. They used A1 on some models.

If you research it you can find out what the steel really is and then decide if you want it.
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I think I am going to call BS on that one. You order INFI from Jerry you get INFI.
 
Longtrang said:
I think I am going to call BS on that one. You order INFI from Jerry you get INFI.
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I agree with the part that you get INFI but like cultivateitnow posted: Infi isn't really a steel, it is an idea. Prove us wrong and I'll be happy to recant. I couldn't find anything but the sketchiest info on infi. :)

Sounds more like "let's call our steel INFI and get it patented, then whenever we melt some kind of steel down and heat treat it, it'll be our own proprietary brand steel called INFI."
 
I have to agree with that. I've searched hi and low for info on the composition of the steel and can't really find anything.

I just like knowing what kind of steel is in my blade.

I'm not saying that it's a bad steel or Busse knives aren't worth the money, there are too many positive reviews to refute.
 
Those that haven't been able to find the composition of Infi haven't looked hard enough. Its here on BFC. Busse used A2 in the past, plus ATS-34, and a few others, but on all the ones I've heard about, the steel was identified and Infi is their proprietary steel with a specific composition. Besides, if you don't trust Jerry, tests for alloy composition are only $50 to $60, depending on the lab. Don't use the PMI "guns". They can miss things in knife steels.
 
INFI: 0.5% carbon, 8.5% Chromium, 0.74% nickel, 0.36% vanadium 1.3% molybdenum 0.95% cobalt and 0.11% nitrogen
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http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_infi_steel

INFI - The composition shown in the primary record was obtained by a lab in Germany and it contains Nitrogen, which was confirmed by Jerry Busse (the presence of nitrogen, not the whole composition), although Jerry didn't dispute the results either. However, there is another X-Ray SEM analysis of the INFI steel, performed by Darrel Lewis, working at Inobond, child company of the Bodycote. The result is different, andat the moment I have no idea which one is correct, or those were two different INFIs. Alternate composition:
Carbon C - 0.64
Silicon Si - 0.63
Chromium Cr - 8.12
Molybdenum Mo - 0.85
Vanadium - 0.33
As you can see this one has no Nitrogen
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http://forums.equipped.org/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=209064
 
cultivateitnow said:
Infi isn't really a steel, it is an idea. It is much the same as Cold Steels high carbon steel. It is a trade marked name that lets them use whatever they want without changing the name. Read their website and you'll see it is a steel they select with their heat treat process. Then read all the reviews you can find. They used more than one type of steel on the same models. Per the owner they only way you can tell is send the knife in to them and have them test it. They used A1 on some models.

If you research it you can find out what the steel really is and then decide if you want it.
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Did you not learn a thing in the Busse room last week:confused:

Again...Busse use's the SAME INFI steel in EVERY knife. They used A1 long ago.

You can't seem to understand why someone would get a patent or trademark for something great that they came up with. Acually I don't think thats it. With your post in the Busse room last week it seems you have something against Busse.
Did you have a bad experiance with Busse?


edit- here's your Busse post, with just one of several replies to your concerns about INFI.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8734535&postcount=28

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8735545&postcount=47
 
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I got an idea....

Let's start serving "knives" in a restaurant for people to consume, and then everyone will have to put nutritional fact labels on them detailing the ingredients. In your face Jerry Busse!

Just kidding, the steel composition is available, but that's not really the secret. From what I understand, it's in the heat treat.

Either way, I don't think anyone would argue that INFI makes a great knife. I will get one someday.
 
If Busse made his knives with S30V or 154CM they would still be incredible knives. I think we see more than enough satisfied INFI owners around here every day willing to pay what some consider very high prices for his knives, As a guy that doesn't own one yet, that is enough for me.

I've yet to read a post where someone bought a Busse, used it and thought it was crap or overrated.
 
Steel quality (high grade steel) and carbon content aren't related. If by grade you mean strength, then they are directly related, i.e. low carbon content equals lower strength potential. However, in this case, Infi is higher in strength than the 1095 used in ESEE knives, if the hardness numbers are in the 56 HRc range I've seen on BFC.
 
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