Info on "Collin's Legitimus No. 986" hudson bay head?

[grafton]

No problem, I appreciate you putting the thought into this. I’m trying to wrap my head around it all too.

It’s strange that Collins would have used an apostrophe in their name but it’s also strange that a counterfeiter would do it when everything else is just perfect.

One thing to keep in mind, not that it proves anything, is that the A&F axe I have with that Collin’s apostrophe mark has what I believe is its original sheath. This leads me to believe it was purchased directly from A&F. A&F provided leather sheaths with their Hudson Bays and sold the sheaths separately. The sheaths were likely made by HH Heiser or one of the other saddle makers that were making their holsters and other leather goods at the time. The sheaths are stamped with the A&F logo and have the A&F Co logo snaps as well.

Now certainly a person buying a counterfeit A&F axe from someone other than A&F could then buy a sheath for it from A&F and put the two together. The counterfeiters could have purchased a pile of A&F sheaths from A&F to put on their fake axes..(the sheaths at the time cost nearly as much as the axes)....but neither one of those seem as likely to me as a Legitimate Collins with an apostrophe. I’m starting to think that place was just full of stamps on every flat surface and workers were just going wild with them!

 

[Miller '72]

I will put this new addition to the fire and add on to this appropriately named and discussed thread.

I would love to hear feedback on my Hudson Bay Collins & Co Hartford NO 986

I think its an early, near 1920's 20th century Collins Hudson Bay for a foreign market, probably South America

Here with my Collins in a box Hudson Bay

Thank you @ithinkverydeeply for helping find this thread!

 

[Meek1]

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I will put this new addition to the fire and add on to this appropriately named and discussed thread.

I would love to hear feedback on my Hudson Bay Collins & Co Hartford NO 986

I think its an early, near 1920's 20th century Collins Hudson Bay for a foreign market, probably South America

Here with my Collins in a box Hudson Bay

Thank you @ithinkverydeeply for helping find this thread!

Wow! What a stamp! Awesome find!

 

[Yatezen]

Here is my addition. No apostrophe, No numbers, though does have the seven crown points. In my research I have found that Collins only used seven points in one design, however those crown points were more elaborate like a fancy crown rather than a flower look. I also noticed a difference in the position of the thumb on the hand, in all of the official Collins designs I've looked at the thumb always goes straight across, where on mine the thumb is parallel with the handle. Yet another comparative difference I noticed is the shape of the rounded letters. All of the Collins logo designs I reviewed have rounded letters more in line with a 0 rather than an O, as you can see in my image the biggest difference between the C and the O is the level of boldness. You can also see the bottom of the top S is odd. I have yet to find any other markings on this head.

" The Collins Co., along with its predecessors and when it operated under name variations, used a wide number of registered trademarks, trade names and proprietary brand names. They also produced goods that were specifically labeled with distributor names and brand names that belonged to specific distributors. Some identifying marks and labels included a reference to Collins while others did not. Trade names and brands associated with Collins, but it should be understood that there were many others." Yesteryearstools.com

 

[Miller '72]

Super Bowl
Sunday 2023
No.986
Contribution​

Here is an update on my 986 in pictures for the thread