Interesting new vid from Cold Steel

SanLuisObispo said:
Let's break this down...

First, just how many new models/year does a knife company need to introduce in order to be judged a good supplier of knives? Given some recent comments, I'm really curious about that?

With regards to the reintroduction of the Talwar and Hold Out, let's give that some thought. First, neither is for sale yet. Second, and this is a biggie, both models are fully designed, tested and tooled. Then we have to ask what the order book for CS's vendor on this models looks like? Are they busy? Are they looking for work? I don't know, and I'm not interested in opinions. What I'm certain of is the order book-to-ship time can vary wildly based on the vendors workload, and what premium CSMO/CS might be willing to pay for them.

If they're not busy (or if GMSO/CS is willing to pay to expedite), it wouldn't be out of line for a one month lead time, if the vendor had the materials or was at last able to get them in a timely manner. Then there's shipping time. A month over the water in a container, or a few days via air freight.

Depending on when they actually end up shipping -- even it's within a month or so, then yes, it's quite possible that bringing back the Talwar and Hold Out was actually driven by customer input, and not product planning a year ago.
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Right. You expect me to actually believe that? If they haven't already started producing the talwar, it will be much longer than 2 or 3 months. Tooling may be done, they may have the materials, but they still have to do test runs, and does the factory have the production capacity?

So no, I don't believe GSM is getting this going overnight. I do believe Lynn was working on it before the sale.

Unless you really do know more than what you let on and people's hunches about you being a GSM plant are true. I still don't trust GSM and they will have to not screw the pooch for a couple years before I do.
 
I wonder how expensive they will be (S35v)?
I liked the AUS8/10 because it was affordable.
I don't think outsiders realize how serious the Cold Steel addiction is/was. This is a major setback for budget knife people. What's next? Spyderco?
Here's a little Cold Steel.

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soc_monki said:
Right. You expect me to actually believe that? If they haven't already started producing the talwar, it will be much longer than 2 or 3 months. Tooling may be done, they may have the materials, but they still have to do test runs, and does the factory have the production capacity?

So no, I don't believe GSM is getting this going overnight. I do believe Lynn was working on it before the sale.

Unless you really do know more than what you let on and people's hunches about you being a GSM plant are true. I still don't trust GSM and they will have to not screw the pooch for a couple years before I do.
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I'm not sure what to say? Based on your comments it's clear you know very little about the product design process, tooling, manufacturing, product assurance, supply chain management or logistics. For knives or any other product. Your comments underscore that.

You're trying to sell a mythical production time that supports your notion the decision to rejuvenate certain models (of proven designs and existing tooling/suppliers) must have been made months ago, if they arrive here in the US for sale anytime soon. Sorry, but no sale.

In the end, the attacks on GMSO/CS while amusing, are getting more and more silly (and desperate.) Only time will truly prove how successful GMSO/CS performs under new management.
 
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A corporation like GSM cares about one thing only. This does not mean that we should assume that what they want from us (our money) and what we want from them (interesting well made tools at a good price) are mutually exclusive. So far they are off to a reasonably great start. That should make us happy.

Well done GSM.
 
SanLuisObispo said:
I'm not sure what to say? Based on your comments it's clear you know very little about the product design process, tooling, manufacturing, product assurance, supply chain management or logistics. For knives or any other product. Your comments underscore that.

You're trying to sell a mythical production time that supports your notion the decision to rejuvenate certain models (of proven designs and existing tooling/suppliers) must have been made months ago, if they arrive here in the US for sale anytime soon. Sorry, but no sale.

In the end, the attacks on GMSO/CS while amusing, are getting more and more silly (and desperate.) Only time will truly prove how successful GMSO/CS performs under new management.
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I know enough. You are trying to sell mythical production time. You can't just decide to reintroduce a model and get it back into the market in a few months. Even if the tooling is ready to go, there are still test runs that have to be done, and that is IF you have all the tooling available and none of it has to be repaired or refurbished. Is the material allocated? Production time (which will have to be added in and put behind other products being produced that might be years ahead of it)? And what if you have to find a different factory to get it produced because the old producer shut down or is too backed up to be able to produce it? Then you have to get all employees in the chain up to speed on the production. And what about the packaging? Have to get the suppliers up to speed on that. Etc Etc...

Believe me, I've been witness to this very phenomenon. Even having everything in place and ready to go, with software ready to run the machines, you still need a lot of testing and trial runs before final production and time to tweak and re-test. Knives may be less complex than a car, but it still wouldn't be an overnight process.

Don't attempt to assume that I know nothing about a production environment. GSM has had nothing to do with the development of the 2021 models set to come out. There are way too many models being shown for that to be the case, so spare me the "You know nothing" response.
 
insta9ves said:
Just ignore the shill. He’s done nothing but engaging in fights with people who have negative opinions about this GSM acquisition.
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soc_monki said:
I have ignored him. Good riddence.
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if you disagree with the op after one go around, he just ignores ya. I'm proud to say I was on his ignore list very quickly. :) I'm more tolerant of disagreement on nothing more than hobbie discussions so he hasn't been added to mine.
 
There is no way, in hell, ever-ever-never-ever, that GSM "listened to the customers" and cranked these out. Speculation on my part, of course. But logical speculation with knowledge that goes into what companies must do to get product to the distributors even without a global pandemic being thrown in.
This is basic marketing 101 when you acquire a company:

  • Figure out that a company has product in the que.
  • Figure out a way to form a question or statement around that product so that it looks like it was your idea/continuing on with the projects of the company you bought.
  • Since you answered your own question, you reap the rewards of looking correct.

These look cool, but lemme see what's new for 2022,a nd then I'll happily eat crow.
 
insta9ves said:
Just ignore the shill. He’s done nothing but engaging in fights with people who have negative opinions about this GSM acquisition.
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We were chided by the moderator in regard to this individual which is his prerogative but it seems like this type of thing was shut down fairly quickly in the past.
Am I missing something?
I'm willing to admit to a certain level of personal denseness but it seems like this is an obvious case.
I've been keeping quiet for awhile but it's hard to sit back and continue to ignore this.
 
Steely_Gunz said:
There is no way, in hell, ever-ever-never-ever, that GSM "listened to the customers" and cranked these out. Speculation on my part, of course. But logical speculation with knowledge that goes into what companies must do to get product to the distributors even without a global pandemic being thrown in.
This is basic marketing 101 when you acquire a company:

  • Figure out that a company has product in the que.
  • Figure out a way to form a question or statement around that product so that it looks like it was your idea/continuing on with the projects of the company you bought.
  • Since you answered your own question, you reap the rewards of looking correct.

These look cool, but lemme see what's new for 2022,a nd then I'll happily eat crow.
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Everyone is free to speculate.

It'll be interesting to see when resellers actually begin receiving shipments? If it's a least a month or two from now, one thing is for absolute certain. So long as the raw materials are readily available, neither the actual production time needed to manufacture the knives, nor the time necessary for transportation/customs, would guarantee the decision was made and the orders were booked with the knife manufacturer prior to receiving requested feedback from customers and acting on that information.

There's no manufacturing step in the production of the knives in question that is particularly lengthy. No extended burn-in periods. No extended system testing. No special certifications nor inspections, etc.

One thing I would bet on though. GMSO/CS had a firm date from their supplier before releasing the subject clip.
 
Best way is to just ignore and not respond to him or his thread. He’s obviously pushing an agenda.
He also created a new thread about some of the old things Lynn said which is an obvious attempt to stir shit up here, luckily the Mod promptly locked it.
 
insta9ves said:
Best way is to just ignore and not respond to him or his thread. He’s obviously pushing an agenda.
He also created a new thread about some of the old things Lynn said which is an obvious attempt to stir shit up here, luckily the Mod promptly locked it.
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You're exactly right but it's tough to look away.
 
SanLuisObispo said:
Everyone is free to speculate.

It'll be interesting to see when resellers actually begin receiving shipments? If it's a least a month or two from now, one thing is for absolute certain. So long as the raw materials are readily available, neither the actual production time needed to manufacture the knives, nor the time necessary for transportation/customs, would guarantee the decision was made and the orders were booked with the knife manufacturer prior to receiving requested feedback from customers and acting on that information.

There's no manufacturing step in the production of the knives in question that is particularly lengthy. No extended burn-in periods. No extended system testing. No special certifications nor inspections, etc.

One thing I would bet on though. GMSO/CS had a firm date from their supplier before releasing the subject clip.
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Lynn Thompson personally told me almost a year and a half ago that HE was bringing back the Hold Out because so many people were upset that it was discontinued. The way he said it made it sound very matter of fact, like the decision was finalized some time ago. I posted this weeks ago, also stating that the Hold Out would follow the Talwar's return. GSM went on record saying that all Lynn's planned future products would make it to market. We don't need your superior knowledge or Detective skills on this one, it's pretty plain and simple.

Listen dude, nobody here likes you or wants to listen to your BS. You come off as an arrogant, instigating child. We would prefer if you just go away. Whatever you get out of your discourse here, please go find it somewhere else.
 
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I've gone back and forth on the ignore function.
By ignoring this person I miss content by other members that I respect.
I still receive email notices about this thread so I guess I'll continue to pop back in and out.
Waiting patiently...........
 
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