Is a Griptilian a switchblade?

You can carry a large fixed blade, or a slipjoint that could be potentially unsafe to you, but not a locking folder...
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The part that always tweaks me is that this only affects law-abiding citizens. Criminals certainly don't give a damn. They're too busy carrying illegal firearms...

What is the blade length limit in NYC. I think NYS is 4" right?

Aren't the most knife fatalities by far caused by kitchen knives or something like that?
 
What about knives that lock closed? Like Benchmade's levitator lock, on something like the 10600. Another option if locking knives are alright might be the 580 Barrage which is an axis-assist which according to the website has a safety can be engaged in either the open or closed position for added security.
 
You could wrap a knife in paracord, it's still illegal.
There's nothing preventing you from disengaging the safety at any time.

Fixed blade is apparently the way to go
 
Thank you, Tom19176, for the clear explanation of the laws and police protocols in NYC and State. It is good to be reminded of the consequences of falling afoul of the law. I am not the sort of person to be stopped in the street and questioned nor do I expect to be patted down if I am caught speeding, but this doesn't mean I can ignore the restrictions.

Joe
 
Get a leaf bladed Spyderco Urban. Small, city friendly with a nice blade.

Its not assisted. It's not a switch. And it's not gravity flickable.

It's a slipjoint and has a strong detent at halfway open.

Great lil' knife.

If any cop tries to pull the "one-handed opening" crap just tell him politely its just a traditional style pocket knife with a modern look made specifically unlockable...for todays vague knife laws.
If you reasonably tell him/her...you should get reasonable treatment.
 
Carry a Buck 110.. i cant flick that thing out to save my life...... Anything that is like the 110 should be okay to carry..
 
Nope. Anyone who knows how can flick open a Buck 100 one-handed. I learned on a Bucklite back in the early 1990s, and that was even harder to flip open because of the lightweight handle. Either with a wrist snap or by dropping the handle away from the blade, you can open that knife with one hand with just a little bit of practice.
 
You can open anything with a spydie drop.
I just spydie dropped a leatherman skeletool blade last night...
 
Maybe people should start sharpening their teeth again. That should get around any potential laws.
 
Not that I have anything anyone can do about it, but this is ludacris. All kinds of people are running around NY with illegal firearms and the cops are going to scrutinize people's pocket knives? I used to live in Atlanta, where knife laws can be a bit rediculous, but the cops there knew they had better things to do than care about folding knives. All the stops I was in for moving violations I had a knife that was illegal (usually due to size, once or twice due to opening system) clipped to my pocket. The times that they did ask to see it, they usually looked at it, commented on how nice it was, then handed it back.
I don't know, maybe I'm just rambling. Seems unfair that the OP has to deal with this though.
 
tom19176 said:
I have posted this several times in the law section, but here I go again. As a former NYC LEO ( four ranks up the ladder) any knife that can be flicked open even by holding the blade, is considered a gravity knife by NYS PL 265.01. It is a Class A misd, but if you have a conviction for ANY past crime it is a Class D FELONY! This is very well enforced in NYC. The transit officers consider this a good arrest and seek it out. The fact that you are stopped for ANY violation allows the officer to legally perform a weapons pat down. If you have a visible knife ( sheath, pocket clip) you are in violation of the NYC Admin Code unless you are in a very select exception they list. If a knife is visible any where in NYS ( where there is no anti visible law), an officer has a clear right to ask to examine it to see if it is an illegal knife. Any knife reguardless of size, opening manner, blade type is an illegal knife when the carrier states he has it as a weapon ( including SD). Be thankful it was not the end of the month when you were stopped as the need for an arrest is ampified then. In NYC last year over 500,000 persons where stopped and frisked for questioning due to "suspious behavior" and a 250 form was filled out to show they were stopped and no other police action was taken. You can assume more where stopped where the form was not filled out. A weapon found during those stops will almost certainly result in a arrest.
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Thanks, this is great information to have.
 
Sharp Phil said:
It's a fact that there are laws that violate our civil rights. To rail against people for trying to offer, constructively, ways in which he can avoid breaking the law is irresponsible and not productive. Yes, it makes us all feel very good to revel in our libertarian ideals... but there are practical realities to consider.
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I thought you were all about our rights?
 
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stabman said:
Uhm, yes, it does.
If they cannot flick it, they cannot call it a flick knife.
Simple.
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The problem is overzealous persecution of otherwise law abiding citizen by the police. So no, one fellow carrying an overly acceptable knife because of a single incident doesnt solve the problem.

Would he have gotten a charge for having a 10in screwdriver on his bike? Or a 4cell Maglight?
 
tom19176 said:
I have posted this several times in the law section, but here I go again. As a former NYC LEO ( four ranks up the ladder) any knife that can be flicked open even by holding the blade, is considered a gravity knife by NYS PL 265.01. It is a Class A misd, but if you have a conviction for ANY past crime it is a Class D FELONY! This is very well enforced in NYC. The transit officers consider this a good arrest and seek it out. The fact that you are stopped for ANY violation allows the officer to legally perform a weapons pat down. If you have a visible knife ( sheath, pocket clip) you are in violation of the NYC Admin Code unless you are in a very select exception they list. If a knife is visible any where in NYS ( where there is no anti visible law), an officer has a clear right to ask to examine it to see if it is an illegal knife. Any knife reguardless of size, opening manner, blade type is an illegal knife when the carrier states he has it as a weapon ( including SD). Be thankful it was not the end of the month when you were stopped as the need for an arrest is ampified then. In NYC last year over 500,000 persons where stopped and frisked for questioning due to "suspious behavior" and a 250 form was filled out to show they were stopped and no other police action was taken. You can assume more where stopped where the form was not filled out. A weapon found during those stops will almost certainly result in a arrest.
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Just to clarify, you're saying that even knives that don't lock open (like the spyderco urban) are considered gravity knives in NYC courts?
 
davide said:
Just to clarify, you're saying that even knives that don't lock open (like the spyderco urban) are considered gravity knives in NYC courts?
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A gravity knife is one that can be opened with centrifugal force or something like that, it has nothing to do with the lock.
 
Roger999 said:
A gravity knife is one that can be opened with centrifugal force or something like that, it has nothing to do with the lock.
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In the NY law, as I have read it, gravity knives are described as:
"any knife [that] has blade which is released from the handle or
sheath thereof by the force of gravity of the application
of centrifugal force which, when released, is locked in
place by means of a button, spring, lever, or other
device."

I wanted to check to see if Tom knew of any case law about a knives that could be flipped open but did not lock open. Were they still considered gravity knives by the courts? Or were the charges simply changed to "dangerous knife?"
 
davide said:
In the NY law, as I have read it, gravity knives are described as:
"any knife [that] has blade which is released from the handle or
sheath thereof by the force of gravity of the application
of centrifugal force which, when released, is locked in
place by means of a button, spring, lever, or other
device."

I wanted to check to see if Tom knew of any case law about a knives that could be flipped open but did not lock open. Were they still considered gravity knives by the courts? Or were the charges simply changed to "dangerous knife?"
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A gravity knife is a gravity knife, even though it is no threat without a lock, it is still a gravity knife.

If you're in a state where autos are not allowed, if you had an auto with no lock, it is still an auto and is illegal.(i don't know if anyone makes a non locking auto though lol)
 
J_Curd said:
Guys, I mean this with upmost respect, but seriously QUIT GIVING OPTIONS THAT ENABLE HIS RIGHT TO BE VIOLATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To hell with tightening the pivot, going to a slippy, bowing to lesser charges. Stand up for yourself man. Carry legal knives, be a productive member of society, and DO NOT let your rights be stolen from you.
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Technically, a Griptilian is a gravity knife. It is illegal to carry that knife in NY. You suggesting that he "carry legal knives" AND keep the Griptilian without tightening the pivot is a contradiction.
 
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