Is anyone else "not so into" gear?

I like gear but I despise gadgets. I like kit that extends my capabilities and I always have a quiet chuckle at the dogmatic.

On the other hand, just as much as the dogmatic always raise a smile, kit freaks often amuse me. That's never more evident than when they post pics of gear that has clearly never been used.[/QOUTE]

I'm a kit freak, constantly experimenting. Nothing wrong with that. what works for one does'nt work for another, or our preferences change. I probably have about 50 woods kits i've set up. It was'nt until recently that i REALLY found a setup that works for me. Took 30 years of hiking with various bits of gear to really figure out what works for me.

as for gear that "looks new" or is posted in pics as being nothong more than props......, i' gonna disagree with your statement. Some of us take exceptional care of our gear, AND use it. All my gear gets used, heavily. And yes i post it in pics because i enjoy sharing and maybe someone else might like the setup and go try it. This is'n CommieVille where your restricted to State Issued items only. we have a choice.



I find that to be a direct parallel with difference between those of us that go play for days in the wet and cold, and those that day hiked a huge [hilarious, I do three daily before breakfast 'cos the dog needs a stretch and a dump] five miles sporting an immaculate Endlessrepetition-fatboy-milspec sack crammed with the latest items they'll never use. [/QOUTE]

Some of us DONT HAVE time to go on multi day or week hikes. Some of us are restricted to several hours here and there or maybe a weekend day when we can. Some of us choose to go into the woods for a few hours in comfort, with lots of gear, maybe we are trying it out...maybe we are testing it for a review later. Again, its personal preference what we carry into the woods. If someone wants to carry a pack full of stuff for a 3 mile hike with Pooch, WHO CARES? does it affect your life liberty or safety? NO so who cares what they carry. They have to carry it, not you. And how do you know they will never use it? maybe they dont need it at this instant momement, but its THERE and good to go when they do........

nothing wrong with Fatboy or Milspoec packs either, and nothing wrong with clean gear. I guess we should all be sporting muddy ripped patched faded packs with nothing but the UBER light air kit inside? NOT! somedays i feel like going ultralight, other days i feel like going with everything and the kitchen sink, even on a short 1mile woods walk.




just saying
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On the other hand, just as much as the dogmatic always raise a smile, kit freaks often amuse me. That's never more evident than when they post pics of gear that has clearly never been used.[/QOUTE]

I'm a kit freak, constantly experimenting. Nothing wrong with that. what works for one does'nt work for another, or our preferences change. I probably have about 50 woods kits i've set up. It was'nt until recently that i REALLY found a setup that works for me. Took 30 years of hiking with various bits of gear to really figure out what works for me.

as for gear that "looks new" or is posted in pics as being nothong more than props......, i' gonna disagree with your statement. Some of us take exceptional care of our gear, AND use it. All my gear gets used, heavily. And yes i post it in pics because i enjoy sharing and maybe someone else might like the setup and go try it. This is'n CommieVille where your restricted to State Issued items only. we have a choice.



I find that to be a direct parallel with difference between those of us that go play for days in the wet and cold, and those that day hiked a huge [hilarious, I do three daily before breakfast 'cos the dog needs a stretch and a dump] five miles sporting an immaculate Endlessrepetition-fatboy-milspec sack crammed with the latest items they'll never use. [/QOUTE]

Some of us DONT HAVE time to go on multi day or week hikes. Some of us are restricted to several hours here and there or maybe a weekend day when we can. Some of us choose to go into the woods for a few hours in comfort, with lots of gear, maybe we are trying it out...maybe we are testing it for a review later. Again, its personal preference what we carry into the woods. If someone wants to carry a pack full of stuff for a 3 mile hike with Pooch, WHO CARES? does it affect your life liberty or safety? NO so who cares what they carry. They have to carry it, not you. And how do you know they will never use it? maybe they dont need it at this instant momement, but its THERE and good to go when they do........

nothing wrong with Fatboy or Milspoec packs either, and nothing wrong with clean gear. I guess we should all be sporting muddy ripped patched faded packs with nothing but the UBER light air kit inside? NOT! somedays i feel like going ultralight, other days i feel like going with everything and the kitchen sink, even on a short 1mile woods walk.




just saying
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I guess I need to elaborate a bit.

I would never consider restricting the gear choices others make unless it has an impact on me because they are on my team. As I see it people aught to use what they like or whatever they are comfortable or competent at using. If at some point during that process a person also gives me a chuckle then great, bonus.

As for the difference between clean gear as opposed to as new gear I think there is a great deal of difference. I keep my kit in good order, and it's not a habit I'm keen on breaking, but there's a world of difference between that and immaculate like a shop window dummy with its props that has sprung to life. And as for taking excessive load on short trips, well I do that too sometimes. The only way to train effectively for hauling load is to haul load. On that, if I'm brewing up for a trip I can often be spotted lugging the bergan just doing the morning dog walk.

I think this could be a sensitive subject because once it is broken down to specific instances it can almost evaporate before your eyes. My instance of dragging a loaded bergan round to get in shape would qualify as one, as would knives of those of us that keep them in shape. I tend to finish my blades to a fairly high standard, and compared so some of those old rusters with dinks taken out the blade they may well appear as new. Similarly, who is going to rat a new bit of kit to take the shine of it by dragging it up a rock for some threadbare looking effect just so it doesn't look too new, like a pair of white sneakers.

However, there is an other side to this coin. And as much as using a shotgun rather than sniping runs the risks of irritating civilians, as a rule the generalization holds good. The first thing that springs to mind is the role of the credible witness. For example; on farming related matters I might take the testimony of the guy in the dirty wellies and the beat up donkey jacket with a bit of hairy string tied round the middle sooner than the man wearing Cerruti. There may be reasons why that is flawed, appearances can be deceptive, but its a sensible place to start. Similarly, and I'm loathed to name him but, hollowdweller scores well for me as a credible witness because you can see he works his kit. That is worth more to me than a raft of testimonies on pack X, all photos of which appear immaculate, that you only ever see in very light use. Similarly, although I intend no offense to anyone in particular, the recent thread with with “flint / steel, bit of hardwood to boil a liter of water, and no accelerants”, was interesting. We see loads of pics of shaving store bought bits of softwood 2*4, and there's hardly a paucity of images and recommendations of “L00K, my new fire steel”, but exactly how many contestants showed up for that. All it would have taken for me to bestow a single witness with high credibility would have been one contestant with a lump of Beech, a well hand sharpen knife, and a battered old looking fire steel to do the job. That would dwarf any of the dozens of brand new latest greatest firesteel for lighting Vaseline soaked cotton balls I've ever seen here. I can get away from that, and I don't want to.

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I'm not so much in tot he gear when I'm by myself.. However my wife likes a little mor comfort thatn a wool blanket on a leaf pile can give. So when I go with her (mostly car camping it air mattres and, propane stove, and lanterns and the whole 9.. either way it beats the indoors.
 
Here you go Baldtaco-II....My threadbear LMF from my kit. I must confess though, I've only used it for non-emergency fires :D :D :D

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On the other hand, just as much as the dogmatic always raise a smile, kit freaks often amuse me. That's never more evident than when they post pics of gear that has clearly never been used.

I never thought about it never being used but I am always somewhat envious that a LOT of the gear pics posted here seem so much CLEANER than anything I have.
 
To be fair, a lot of people only bother getting out the camera to take pics of new/recently acquired gear. Not always the case but fairly often I think.

Though nothing much beats seeing that 'worn in' look. :D
 
I hike a wide variety of hikes.I hike everything from hour long hikes to week-long treks.My gear varies accordingly.for my week-long hikes I carry a filter because I'm on the move constantly and don't have time to boil and I don't like the chemical option.That and my sleeping bag is the only real difference in gear.Food is a difference but that's a given.I camp in a hammock regardless of the length of time I'm staying out.I have been carrying the same pack for 4 years and I wouldn't part with it for anything.
 
This has been a quite an interesting thread, not to jack the thread from Brian,


Some thought about caring a ton of extra gear, if you bring chairs small tv with you , it does remove you from nature imo. If you have to have the latest and greatest stuff or change your stuff on a regular basis even though there no need. Its like all those people who upgrade their cell phone every year its for self gratification. If you carry the basic items that will allow you to survive in worst case situation that's the important thing. Some people carry way too much some people don't carry enough.
 
Its like all those people who upgrade their cell phone every year its for self gratification.

I learned at about age 12 that this actually requires no gear at all :D

But yes I agree with your post. I don't think there is anything wrong with people wanting the best gear money can buy whether it is used hard or not. People like INFI because it is perceived as the best steel money can buy - that virtue makes it desirable on its own. Need has little to do with it - so why do we have to judge?
 
However to carry heavy and outdated stuff when simple stuff is available is denying yourself more enjoyment on the trail.:thumbup:

I agree with HD on this - as much as I like the idea of doing stuff the traditional way, there is just no way I can safely go several days into the mountains covering thousands of feet of elevation and with temps dropping into the mid-thirties without modern gear. Sure, I can do it the old way but I'd need the assistance of a pack animal or some other transportation aid like a canoe or cross-country skiing dragging a snow sled. Take old gear and the weight adds up real quick - five pound rucksack, five pound wool blanket, ten pounds worth of canvas tarp. You're already at twenty pounds with little more than shelter, a blanket and something to carry it in. Without plastics and hi-tech gear and fabrics, the capability to hike deep into the mountains carrying only what's on your back in something other than perfect weather conditions just isn't there. Or maybe it is and I just don't know it - I'd love to learn about someone who does it with traditional gear and is able to go say five or six days into the mountains at higher elevations (say around 7000 feet) in late summer/early fall under their own locomotion.

Two of my most valued pieces of gear are my MSR Whisperlite stove and my MSR Miniworks water filter. Next on the list are probably my Moonstone Goretex jacket and my Gregory Shasta backpack. Together those four items have allowed me to hike trails where I don't see people for days. Without them I'm stuck with the crowds in the campgrounds.
 
I agree with HD on this - as much as I like the idea of doing stuff the traditional way, there is just no way I can safely go several days into the mountains covering thousands of feet of elevation and with temps dropping into the mid-thirties without modern gear. Sure, I can do it the old way but I'd need the assistance of a pack animal or some other transportation aid like a canoe or cross-country skiing dragging a snow sled. Take old gear and the weight adds up real quick - five pound rucksack, five pound wool blanket, ten pounds worth of canvas tarp. You're already at twenty pounds with little more than shelter, a blanket and something to carry it in. Without plastics and hi-tech gear and fabrics, the capability to hike deep into the mountains carrying only what's on your back in something other than perfect weather conditions just isn't there. Or maybe it is and I just don't know it - I'd love to learn about someone who does it with traditional gear and is able to go say five or six days into the mountains at higher elevations (say around 7000 feet) in late summer/early fall under their own locomotion.

Two of my most valued pieces of gear are my MSR Whisperlite stove and my MSR Miniworks water filter. Next on the list are probably my Moonstone Goretex jacket and my Gregory Shasta backpack. Together those four items have allowed me to hike trails where I don't see people for days. Without them I'm stuck with the crowds in the campgrounds.

hikers nowadays are utter wimps in comparision to the pioneers and fur traders of yesteryear. (EDIT: i'm not calling you personally a wimp)

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modern does NOT equal superior for some people.
 
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i think that one of the larger factors that allowed nessmuck and his ilk to carry such little weight is that they largely weren't carrying shelter. they made lean-tos and browse beds every night. otherwise, they would sleep under the stars with their blankets.

they also cut down trees to build a reflector behind the fire for more efficient heating.

this is rather destructive to the immediate environment (and the immediate impact vs the global impact has been discussed at length here recently) but that factor is something to keep in mind when thinking about how light nessmuck packed...he took alot more from the environment vs modern hikers.
 
In the service I often went into the wild with a knife and a fire steel and nothing else at all. The periods of time varied from over night to several weeks or more depending on what transpired. Now while its true that we were not faced with extreme cold temps as a rule, you can learn to survive on stuff you make or without anything at all for long periods of time.

Given the choice I would prefer the amount of gear that is comfortable to carry and the specific gear for the circumstances. In heavy woods I probably will not need a saw or ax because I can probably find enough to get by well just laying around. However if wood is more scarce and temperatures demand a fire then things change. I guess what I am trying to say is I don't like to turn something that is supposed to be fun into a weekend at hard labor. To much can be as bad as to little.

Sometime just head out and see what you absolutely need to get by so you will know when the time comes and learn to do without. But thats just my take, some guys want every convenence of home out in the wild and if they can handle it, more power to them.

One thing has always remained a given, I want the best gearthat I can afford and that usually is gear priced in about the middle of the price range, not the cheapest and not the most expensive. That's where the best value lies IMO. You do NOT ALWAYS get what you pay for, some names are not worth the bucks.
 
i think that one of the larger factors that allowed nessmuck and his ilk to carry such little weight is that they largely weren't carrying shelter. they made lean-tos and browse beds every night. otherwise, they would sleep under the stars with their blankets.

they also cut down trees to build a reflector behind the fire for more efficient heating.

this is rather destructive to the immediate environment (and the immediate impact vs the global impact has been discussed at length here recently) but that factor is something to keep in mind when thinking about how light nessmuck packed...he took alot more from the environment vs modern hikers.

So true, but in general we as a species aren't as tough as the early generation. There lots of flash and but not much substance with lots of people. I wonder how many of the early trappers etc.. died because of lack of gear and froze to death.
 
So true, but in general we as a species aren't as tough as the early generation. There lots of flash and but not much substance with lots of people. I wonder how many of the early trappers etc.. died because of lack of gear and froze to death.
Compare average age of the Nessmuk era vs. current. They lived hard lives under hard conditions. Failure had a steeper price then.
 
I guess I am the gear guy for sure. I like the newest lightest thing on the market. I have titanium everything. I am the every ounce counts guy on somethings. I have the lightest one man tent I could find. I have a ultralight pack. 5 days of backpacking with a carbon fiber bear can and water is only a 30 pound pack. I like ultralight rain gear, I carry one fixed blade and one SAK. I love being comfortable after hiking 15 miles a day.
this is a pretty funny thread.
 
Baldtaco, just out of curiousty, what do consider gear, and what do you consider gadgets?

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I like to develop a sense of familiarity and nostalgia with my gear, which usually means that I need to have a damn good reason to replace something - especially if it has proven useful on several past outings.

My hiking pack has served me well on three continents, over dozens of trips. I keep looking at (and drooling over) the latest stuff from Maxpedition, MEC, and other outfitters, but there's something to be said for familiarity. So, rather than getting a new pack, I keep replacing straps and buckles as need be.

Same goes for gadgets. When I find something that works, I tend to stick with it. Simple but durable items seem to work best for me, and the most complicated thing I carry (aside from my cell phone) is my MSR stove. I have *nothing* against gear junkies. Heck, it would be hypocritical for a self-proclaimed knifeknut to look down on other gear enthusiasts. But, I have, on group outings, noticed gadgets getting in the way of (or simply mediating) the outdoors experiences of others. They probably had just as much fun as I did, mind you - just in a different way.

An analogy most people here would be familiar with is fishing with buddies who are mobile tackle shops. I have one friend who has more high-end lures (and scents, and bait, etc.) than there are fish in the lake we usually hit. Sometimes he switches his lure every third cast. Sure, he hauls in a decent amount of fish, but he spends half his 'fishing' time fiddling with pliers, jigs, and such. Not my idea of a fun fishing experience.

But honestly, I will never begrudge anyone their interest in gadgets and gizmos, so long as they are spending time in the great outdoors. Better to have a hiking partner who looks like a SWAT member than a friend who can't be pried away from his or her urban comfort zone.

All the best,

- Mike
 
hikers nowadays are utter wimps in comparision to the pioneers and fur traders of yesteryear.

pioneers and fur traders of yesteryear had horses and canoes - i've spent three weeks out in the field but I had a canoe to carry my food.

sure, anyone one can go out with a knife and fire and starve for a couple of weeks in the mountains living in a self-made shelter - and if you're smart like Les Stroud you can make an award-winning show about it! :D
 
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