Is Dull, Drab, Ugly and Agressive the New Measure of Beauty?

[Rat Finkenstein]

In the old days when all that was available is traditional and/or polished knives you were extremely limited in choice of steel and number of makers/models available.

Now there is a plethora of makers and steel choices. Including traditional and/or polished knives. More knives for everyone.

 

[BenLankford]

Yup , hand written too.

Knives are knives.... sitting here I have a Case Sod Buster Jr , 1991 Remington Baby Bullet trapper , 3" D2 fixed blade with tan G10 ( made by me ) and a Strider PT CC..... tactical ? practical ? traditional ? just knives...

Diversity :thumbup:
.... don't get so wrapped up in one category that you can't understand why others may embrace/appreciate something else.

Not everything needs a type , group or a name. Knives works for me just fine.

+1 and I wish I got Striders for Christmas

 

[bigmark408]

Really? I think the sand in the slot comment is not only abrasive but also vulgar and stupid.

And frankly with the whining you did about the A.G.Russel Frmelock and what you just said you're aperfect example of the pot calling the kettle black. And furthermore you didn't even own or handle that knife. I got a Strider that came bad, it's over two months I'm still waiting, having to pay $15 for shipping and they won't return emails or calls.

Listen up steely....just because you got some sand in your chamber jamming your action doesnt give you the right to call people liars or stupid.

BTW, i have had pritty good luck with the company that you are speaking of.

Try to stay on topic amigo.

 

[ZombiesEatFree]

Thanks, Zombie. That was exactly the type of informative, levelheaded response I was looking for. :thumbup:

This could be a nice discussion imo if we can all just not be defensive about our personal preferences.

I think this is the first time I've been called levelheaded!!!

 

[Gear]

We're all going to wind up paying for those who need hyper agressive super scary knives to bolster their masculinity.

For some reason your statement incites me. I am tired of hearing just becuse I have X item that is out of the ordinary or that I carry X item that I am making up for my "short sword" No this is not the reason for many people so yeah just because I or any other American like an "aggresive" styled knife does not mean we are trying to make up for our manhood thank you very much.

 

[stabman]

For some reason your statement incites me. I am tired of hearing just becuse I have X item that is out of the ordinary or that I carry X item that I am making up for my "short sword" No this is not the reason for many people so yeah just because I or any other American like an "aggresive" styled knife does not mean we are trying to make up for our manhood thank you very much.

Those comments you refer to are just a manifestation of the need to feel superior to others. As they have not accomplished anything worth being happy about, they feel the need to deride others.
Quite sad, really.

 

[SteelSnob]

Listen up steely....just because you got some sand in your chamber jamming your action doesnt give you the right to call people liars or stupid.

BTW, i have had pritty good luck with the company that you are speaking of.

Try to stay on topic amigo.

Let me get this right. You can tell someone they need to get the said of their slot but to point out someone being dishonest is not ok? Give me a break Marky.

That's a very important part of the story that was left out. Of course you'll get 10 good Striders if you're friends with the owner. To say you've got 10 good Striders in that thread and not mention that(You are friends with Mick and Josh)implies that you went through the same channels as everyone else and without favor and got 10 got good Striders while others are buying less Striders and getting bad ones. It looked like he was trying to discount other peoples experience in a deceptive way while comparing a part of his experience without disclosing the whole story.

 

[bigmark408]

Let me get this right. You can tell someone they need to get the said of their slot but to point out someone being dishonest is not ok? Give me a break Marky.

That's a very important part of the story that was left out. Of course you'll get 10 good Striders if you're friends with the owner. To say you've got 10 good Striders in that thread and not mention that(You are friends with Mick and Josh)implies that you went through the same channels as everyone else and without favor and got 10 got good Striders while others are buying less Striders and getting bad ones. It looked like he was trying to discount other peoples experience in a deceptive way while comparing a part of his experience without disclosing the whole story.

Were you angry when you got up this morning.... you persist on being off topic ...... i can HONESTLY say that i own more than ten of the mentioned.....out of about 40 over the years i have sent a few back and have always been taken care of....and i don't know Jack from Jill.

B kool man...Hmmmmmmmm...try sum yoga and layoff the coffee. :thumbup:

 

[Skrapmetal]

This could be a nice discussion imo if we can all just not be defensive about our personal preferences.

I think this is the first time I've been called levelheaded!!!

Well, if the first post hadn't been so aggressive, the replies probably wouldn't have been so defensive.

If the OP wanted a level-headed discussion, perhaps it wasn't the best idea to tell people that disagree with his cutlery fashion sense that they are confused, fearful, insecure sheeple.

 

[SteelSnob]

Were you angry when you got up this morning.... you persist on being off topic ...... i can HONESTLY say that i own more than ten of the mentioned.....out of about 40 over the years i have sent a few back and have always been taken care of....and i don't know Jack from Jill.

B kool man...Hmmmmmmmm...try sum yoga and layoff the coffee. :thumbup:

Don't be such a hypocrate my friend. When it's a topic you're not happy about it's ok to talk however you like but when someone else states something they don't like it's not ok in your book. And I'm doing fine buddy. Worry about yourself and your own conduct and maybe you won't keep doing the same stuff you're accusing others of. In other words you're just deflecting you're own issues on me and you'll never learn or grow up if you keep this up.

 

[stabman]

This thread is getting awefully personal now fellas.
It ain't about knives anymore, THAT'S for damn sure.:thumbdn:

 

[wnease]

Me personally I don't care for a flashy blade, I like the look and feel of a textured blade, doesn't show scratches as easily or grease and stuff like that. I like black and metallic colors, drab colors do it for me.

I wouldn't buy a bright yellow or pink knife. I might go orange, but again I like the color. Just my taste. Not because it's tactical. Hell I like machinery and raw metal, it's not about mil spec.

Thumbs up, I've been temporarily blinded on sunny days working with shiny blades!

I like the look of metal too, minimal but even finishes. I tried some colorful stuff one year and the kids at the show loved it but I took orders for much more subdued pieces.

 

[Bastid]

Really? I think the sand in the slot comment is not only abrasive but also vulgar and stupid.

That pretty much sums the post up.

Let's stay on subject in the discussion forums.

 

[Rick]

Well, if the first post hadn't been so aggressive, the replies probably wouldn't have been so defensive.

If the OP wanted a level-headed discussion, perhaps it wasn't the best idea to tell people that disagree with his cutlery fashion sense that they are confused, fearful, insecure sheeple.

Perhaps you're right; my original post was a bit overstated, but it's hard to deny that quite a few popular knife companies are pandering to their customer's need for empowerment by encouraging them to validate themselves with the purchase of aggressively overwrought pseudo-military cutlery, most of which won't be used for anything more "hardcore" than cutting cardboard.

I'm just trying to understand why this (IMO, somewhat pernicious) marketing trend has been so successful and displayed such longevity. If it's not exploiting the consumer's fear or insecurity, how else do you explain it? Why else have intensionally ugly (IMO) and belligerent-looking knives become so widely accepted?

 

[Bushman5]

so a few people use hi end knives that aren't like yours to cut cardboard. who cares? does it impact you in any way? is it your money? why care what others use their knives for? why care what the knife designers are doing design wise if you don't like knives like that?

lots of choices out there nowadays compared to the 50's. Millions of different knife designs, materials, scales, steels etc.

we are no longer limited to old grandpas Case whittler.

 

[Rick]

so a few people use hi end knives that aren't like yours to cut cardboard. who cares? does it impact you in any way? is it your money? why care what others use their knives for? why care what the knife designers are doing design wise if you don't like knives like that?

Because I'm genuinely curious. Why discuss anything? But to answer your question:

"does [sic] it impact you in any way?"

Yes. I'm a member of this culture. When a large demographic follows a certain trend, it effects all of us, however indirectly, so I'm trying to understand its underlying cause.

 

[stabman]

If it's not exploiting the consumer's fear or insecurity, how else do you explain it? ?

How about because some people like the solidity of the knives?
I don't use most of my "tactical" knives for anything too "hard-core" (to use terms that others seem to employ); I use them for medium duty uses, which guarantees that they'll last pretty much as long as I care to live.
Plus, I like one-hand opening(useful when doing certain types of work, where having the other hand free to hold the thing needing cutting is key); I like thick blades(as long as they'll still cut); I like the texture of G-10, as well as the way it feels even when cold; titanium is just plain cool, whether due to its uses in the aerospace industry, its relative rarity, or the way it looks better than steel when scratched; I like the screw-together constrution as it makes disassembly easier for cleaning, or tweaking the action(be it lock-bar engagement, making the scale fit the liners better, chamfering edges, or just smoothing out the action).
There are MANY legiimate reasons for a consumer to prefer any style of knife. I don't call slip-joint enthusiasts wimps, so I'll kindly ask that others keep their mouth shut rather than spout the tired line of mall-ninja, or soldier wanna be, or innuendos about the size of certain body parts.
If it were about compensating for perceived short-comings, then I'd be carrying the Mercenary Sword around, as it's 4 feet of steel compared to 4 inches.

 

[John T Wylie Jr]

knives , just knives ..... not tactical , not practical , just using knives...buy what ya want , use what ya want.

 

[Leftoverdj]

It's my business when laws are passed that affect me because you've been waving the Super Ninja AO Walter Mitty Throatcutter Fantasy Special around.

 

[stabman]

It's my business when laws are passed that affect me because you've been waving the Super Ninja AO Walter Mitty Throatcutter Fantasy Special around.

Dude, the restrictive knife laws in various areas were ALREADY IN PLACE, as a result of racial bigotry in some cases("THOSE people use knives, hrmph!"), and as a way to appear like politicians were combating crime. It's easier to pass a knife ban than actually address any of the causes of crime.
Other than immature teenagers, no one is behaving in the way you are characterizing them as doing.