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Well said!I think a lot of the issue has to do with trying to quantify something that is a personal qualification.
Some wont be happy unless they can polish an edge to a mirror that will slice free hanging tissue paper. Some simply require an edge just north of "butterknife" that can be pushed into service for years without touching it up.
My personal preference: I dont let my edges go dull...period. its just like I dont drive my car until the check engine light comes on. I can maintain any steel I purchase with ceramic rods and a loaded strop. If I happen to damage the edge beyond that, I have a couple of inexpensive diamond hones that will get it in good enough shape for me to finish up with rods and strops.
One of the traits I value on an outdoor/camping knife is that it be made from a traditional carbon steel over a super steel. In the event of an emergency, i want to be able to get a workable edge with an Arkansas stone.
You’ll have sharp knives & be happy!
Can you link to his video where he talks about variables? I could not find it with a search. I've done a ton of rope cut testing, following what Pete from Cedric & Ada does. The variables are numerous. My tests all remain unpublished until I can get the variables under control.In terms of 'rope cutting edge retention' test, I think the outdoors55(the youtuber) did a pretty good job explaining what he think could be the variables, and did try to control those variables as much as he could in his tests. And I tend to agree with his findings--that within those two samples, Spyderco did a fantastic job with that particular Tenacious, and his S30V was not bad either, since he did mention it was on par with other knives of his.
Different steels clearly have more edge retention. Not sure that = more work, but it does = more time between sharpening. They chip easier than what? 4V is quite tough and has significantly better edge retention than may other steels. I've never chipped S90V, M390, or many other high end steels, although I'm sure I could.I've never seen any advantage to expensive steels, they don't do more work, but they take more work to sharpen and they tend to chip easier. Worthless to me.
I like the knives that guy in your vid makes, he's a pretty excellent knifemaker and knows what he's talking about. Certainly not some "utube nitwit".
Diamond is harder than all steels and if you move to diamond stones and sharpen with them & worry less about utube nitwits. You’ll have sharp knives & be happy!
In Outdoor55 video, he did briefly talked about those variables or margin of error:Can you link to his video where he talks about variables? I could not find it with a search. I've done a ton of rope cut testing, following what Pete from Cedric & Ada does. The variables are numerous. My tests all remain unpublished until I can get the variables under control.
The biggest surprise variable for me was the rope. Same rope, same manufacturer, bought at the same time. Average thickness can vary by 40%. One package of rope is visibly smaller than another, and this was confirmed by measuring the rope every 50' or so. I can't possibly hope to get consistent results with this much variability in rope diameter.
Other variables include sharpness, my arm vs. another arm, amount of blade used to how, how we cut (force, push vs. pull, etc), cutting surface, blade geometry, and heat treatment of the steel. I try to find the same knife in different steels to rule out geometry as a variable. Not easy to do. Spyderco Mules help. (I've tested 24 different Mule steels, Buck Vantage in 5 different steels, and will try to do the same with a PM2 or Para 3. Getting all the PM2 or Para 3 steels will be a challenge and expensive. I'll have to retest them all once I get my rope figured out.)
Different steels clearly have more edge retention. Not sure that = more work, but it does = more time between sharpening. They chip easier than what? 4V is quite tough and has significantly better edge retention than may other steels. I've never chipped S90V, M390, or many other high end steels, although I'm sure I could.
Does chipping vs. rolling matter that much? You have to sharpen it out either way. With the right stones it takes me no more time to sharpen M390 than lower carbide steels.
Buy knives you like. Matching steels and HT to specific tasks is great. But beyond that, steel's performance should be down the list of cares.
My personal preference: I dont let my edges go dull...period. its just like I dont drive my car until the check engine light comes on. I can maintain any steel I purchase with ceramic rods and a loaded strop. If I happen to damage the edge beyond that, I have a couple of inexpensive diamond hones that will get it in good enough shape for me to finish up with rods and strops.
I like carbon steel but I also like M390 steel. Am I kinda strange?
liking a variety of things is good - better chances of finding something you like when shopping for a new knife.I like carbon steel but I also like M390 steel. Am I kinda strange?