Is it just me or Cold Steel knives are general either low quality or overpriced ?

CS, in MY experience with them "used to" be a good value for dollar knife, however, after years of watching their products, I just do not like what I see.
For example, when the Recon 1 came out, I bought one, I liked the style, size and lock, similar to BM axis lock.
The BM knives would snap open with a flick of the thumb and NO wrist movement, no so with the CS, but I did like the Carbon V of the knife.
I wound up selling it in favor of the BM Griptilian which was much smoother, but at about the same price point. I thought I could buy another Recon-1 at a later date if I wanted one again.
I noticed all the good points of the Recon-1 and the Carbon V blade, then CS switched to AUS8A on the Recon-1, then they changed the "axis style" lock to a liner lock. They still call it a Recon-1, but the knife is no longer the same.
The thing with CS, if you want to buy a knife, you HAVE TO know what year it was made to know what you are buying.
A Recon-1 with axis type lock and Carbon V blade is now a liner lock with stainless blade and redesigned handle is not, IMO, the same knife.
They do this with other knives and steels as well.
To me, it looks like they buy whatever is "on sale" and that is the "steel of the year".
I guess I just do not like the "sleight of hand" when buying a knife and not knowing what you are actually going to get when you buy it unless you keep up with every move from CS.
Another example, the Kobun, buy one, what steel is it going to be? 420 or AUS8? Oyabun, is it Carbon V or 420? and on and on and on.
The "difference" with CS and other knife company's is they will let you know what the blade is before you buy it. They announce the change while CS seems to just slip in something cheaper after it "makes a name" for a knife using good, higher quality products, then goes to cheaper quality products, whereas, other knife makers seem to go to better quality, CS goes the other direction.
Just my personal observations...
 
To start with, the new Recon-1 is a Triad lock, which is a type of lockback. Also, all of the stores I have seen differentiate between older models and newer models when they're selling both. The Cold Steel catalogs also differentiate between old and new models... I understand that you don't like how you think they're reducing quality, but it's not like they're trying to fool anybody by claiming it's one thing while it's really another.

Also, just from what I've heard around the net, the Triad is a better, stronger, more high quality lock than their Ultra lock, which was a copy of the Axis lock. I don't think the new Recon-1 is any less quality than the old one. Just my 2 cents that I heard around the net.
 
I just came back from the PO w/ a Recon 1, it's no linerlock. I would say without a doubt I like it as much as the Emersons I have had in the past.
 
You are right, it is a lockback, not liner lock, my mistake:)

I am left handed an love the axis style lock as I can use it (as well as right handed) and only need one hand, it is fast to open and close. I can use it faster than my auto knives (though not as fast a a waved Emerson).
What I don't like is, while most company's come out with a product, when it gets popular, they tend to upgrade it, better steel, better scales, etc, while on the other hand, CS introduces a product and a couple years later is is less quality materials going into it.
I totally understand the marketing of that, which is to het a quality product out, advertise, it gets popular, selling a lot, then pull away product quality, making a less expensive product while keeping the price the same (or more in some cases), increasing profit.
I know how it works, I just do not agree with it.
Even if you had the option to buy the "value" model with the AUS8 steel or the "upper line" Carbon V steel, but then, you could not do the bait & switch and keep the higher price with the cheaper steel.
Again, just my observations.
At one time, for me, it was CS or nothing, but after watching the company for about 25 years or more, my conclusion is there are better products in that price range. I know, I do tend to be picky as well as a perfectionist, which at times is good and at others is bad and others does not matter as much, but was raised that you always do your best and give your best, I do not believe that to be the case with CS, so I am no longer a CS nut, LOL!!
I still have plenty of their knives, including a full collection of the Tanto's on the wall (under my MMA collection) and yeah, they did make the Tanto popular to give to their credit, but too much marketing does not help make a good product.
To open a whole new can of worms, for example, Bose. They "can" make a quality product, but their money goes into advertising and marketing. Anyone into audio can tell you what Bose is-
a 3" full range speaker (in most cases).
Too big to recreate high frequency, too small to recreate low frequency.
A 3" speaker in a plastic housing, however, it has the Bose Wave, which is only a transmission line.
Now, sell it for $500 - over $1000, a way over priced boom box with no boom and yeah, a 5" woofer, c'mon..., Really, LOL!!
I guess CS marketing reminds me a lot of Bose, a LOT of hype.
Not to say it is a "bad" product, just a "way overpriced" product.
Again, this is all my opinion, based on my experiences with the products mentioned.
One more for Bose- My wife and I both love audio. We were out of town and saw a Bose store, so, we stopped and went in. They had all their products out for demonstration and lots of sales people.
We went back to the car, picked a disk we both knew well, played it on my car system (I installed it, not a factory system), we listened to the first 3 songs over and over, listening for certain sounds. We went back in and wanted them to play "our" disk, not "their" disk. They were reluctant, but did anyhow. A LOT of the music can not be heard on a Bose system, it was absolutely incredible. One "trick"/demonstration was for the "Bose Wave". There was a Bose radio, transparent, for the most part so you could see the inside, turn on the radio, it sounds ok, pull a handle on the radio and it pulls the speakers away from the "wave" and now they tell you it is the wave that makes all the difference as the speakers not attached to the wave does not sound good. That's right, take ANY speaker away from it's enclosure and it does not sound good, that is why there is an enclosure, LOL!!
Just another "gimmic", "marketing" hoping for ignorant people to buy an inferior product for high profit.
Noticed too, there was no other brand to compare to Bose in the showroom.
Most audio stores will not even have Bose in the soundroom with the "real" audio.
Just throwing out some marketing comparisions to be aware of..., no charge, LOL!!
 
I am a lefty and the ultralock, lockbacks have made my life a breeze, now I don't have to put my fingers in places they don't belong with the liner locks and framelocks.

As far as the advertising, its just whip cream on the pie or sizzle on the steak baby, if someone believes everything they see, Cold Steel will be the least of anyone's problems. Puffery, man, puffery.
 
Like I said you can't beat on most other Stainless Steels like you can AUS-8, they just won't take the impact and lateral stress that AUS-8 will in their testing. It's not only about profit, it's about their reputation and LCT stating how strong their knives are.

How would that look if they used (insert another Steel here) and the blades snapped like dry twigs or chipped out. They market their knives the way they do and the knives have to live up to that. All steels have their strengths and weaknesses. I think it would be a hard choice to move to another steel over AUS-8 keeping the cost down to the customers were they want them to be and having better performance overall that AUS-8 living up to their claims on toughness and strength.

Sure they could move to something like 20CV or S90V, but you better believe the knives would cost one heck of a lot more than they do now I can tell you that.

They don't use 1055 in their higher end blades, nor 4116, those are left to the value blades.

Show me a knife that costs $60 to $65 street price that can take what a Recon 1 or American Lawman can.....

Or better yet send it to me and I will test it for you and you will see the difference.

I recommend that you save your money because you will end up with a broken knife.

Yep....toughest knives in the WORLD :)
Especially the more expensive models.
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I don't know if it is the knife, the film or the monitor, but that almost looks like pot metal where it is broke.
I never saw any moderate quality knife brake like that when hit on the spine.
It's not like it was in a vise and bent with a cheater bar (oh, that one is the CS video, LOL!!)
 
Yep....toughest knives in the WORLD :)
Especially the more expensive models.
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Oh you found the one video of one CS knife breaking....

We have all seen that one already.

Here is one of mine...

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Yep....toughest knives in the WORLD :)
Especially the more expensive models.
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Yeah man, That knife really took a beating! That is the one I want when the SHTF!

Anyway, High Pitch Eric sounded amused by it.
 
Ive heard of more ESEE knives breaking and rusting than I have CS trailmasters.

And you want to bitch about CS marketing? Its a little over the top but look at other companys. Most claim to be "The best hard use knives in the world" or this or that.
They all market.
 
I remember reading on another forum about the destruction test for the Bark River Bravo1. This guy was salivating about the prospect of all the 'hype' being exposed. In his mind paying 200 for a fixed blade in A2 that a group of Force Recon marines ordered is the height of deception and that Mike Stewart is evil.

He then went on to say that he only buys Strider knives.... Oh the irony.

In my mind there's no difference between these sorts of discussions and teenagers shouting at each other that Xbox is better than Playstation.
 
I heard recently from a local blade shop owner (who I believe to be reputable) that CS had decided to reduce the warrany on its blades from lifetime to only a couple years... He also said that it was retroactive, not just for new sales... If this is true, everyone that purchased a knife from CS over the years on the premise that it came with a lifetime warranty has been robbed. Like I said, this is somthing that I heard... I have not checked it for accuracy. Does anyone know if this is true? FYI... I have several CS knives and I love them all-- had no problems with them what-so-ever. I hope that this is only a rumor.
 
I heard recently from a local blade shop owner (who I believe to be reputable) that CS had decided to reduce the warrany on its blades from lifetime to only a couple years... He also said that it was retroactive, not just for new sales... If this is true, everyone that purchased a knife from CS over the years on the premise that it came with a lifetime warranty has been robbed. Like I said, this is somthing that I heard... I have not checked it for accuracy. Does anyone know if this is true? FYI... I have several CS knives and I love them all-- had no problems with them what-so-ever. I hope that this is only a rumor.

My G. Loomis rods had the same thing.
 
Hmmm about a billion cold steel knives out there and people continue to post the one video about the trailmaster and that one picture with the recon scout. Oh, and why do I never see a broken one in San Mai? I want to see a broken San Mai Trailmaster.
 
Just checked the website... 5 year waranty for fixed blades and ONE year for folding knives! Hmmmm....

http://www.coldsteel.com/warranty.html

Same as it's always been since I started collecting (and really using) knives (not really all that long ago.) BTW, that warranty is only for knives purchased from them directly off their website. IOW, good luck with your warranty. That said, their knives are plenty good, IMHO, and won't be breaking easily. As with cheaper watches, even those with a "lifetime warranty", if you have to pay them $25 to get them to honor the warranty, and the watch only set you back $50 to start with, just get a new watch... Now, if we're talking an expensive watch, you betcha I'm going to do whatever's necessary to keep the watch in warranty. With knives? nah...
 
Yeah, I always wondered why that is... I mean, they say their knives are tough as hell (and they are), yet they have virtually the shortest warranty in the business.

Not surprised by that at all. And it doesn't mean their knives aren't tough, for they are... Simply CYTA behavior...
 
Yeah, I always wondered why that is... I mean, they say their knives are tough as hell (and they are), yet they have virtually the shortest warranty in the business.

Plenty of knives have no warranty at all...
 
And it doesn't mean their knives aren't tough, for they are...

I just said that...
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Plenty of knives have no warranty at all...

What reputable knife company doesn't have a warranty at all? If I am correct, all of the "big contenders" have lifetime warranties:

Spyderco
Benchmade
Kershaw
RAT/ESEE
Chris Reeve Knives
Bark River Knife & Tool
Buck
The list goes on and on...

And although Leatherman doesn't have a lifetime warranty, they have a 25-year warranty.

So I don't think I have to worry about those companies that "don't offer any warranty at all."

Anyway, all I was doing was wondering why CS produces some of the toughest knives, yet they have the shortest warranty. My only answer to explain that is that because of the test videos they produce, they're afraid mall ninjas are going to try to replicate the tests and end up destroying the knives eventually within a year.
 
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