Is it just me or is someone running his mouth a bit too much?

[TKAZ]

Hmmm. I like nutnfancy, he seems like a straight shooter.

Yeah me too.

He's really not a bad guy and tries to keep it real and honest.

Do I like and agree with everything he says and does? of course not.

Do I watch and like his videos? Every single one of them.

Does his voice or words he uses too much get on my nerves? Oh hell yeah!

I think he's a nice guy and I enjoy his videos. I will continue watching and supporting the "Sheepdog" concept.

 

[Boats]

Wasn't planning on arguing the point. Just disagree with your assessment. I think that anyone who follows the show can see Dave not only holding his own but emerging as the leader of the pair on a more than regular basis.

Viewing Cody as the "wise leader" is laughable to me. Of course he's more capable than me in the woods but a lot of his antics are just as questionable if not more so than Daves.

I wasn't calling Cody a "leader" of any stripe because he's not. My take on Lundin is that compared to Dave, especially on plants, relatively immobile protein sources, fire, and the "primitive skills" he is known for, his knowledge base easily outstrips Canterbury's. that, and on any given decision fork, Lundin will properly take the lower risk option, which is the proper "survival" mindset.

Dave has demonstrated some well developed hunting skills, the ability to make traps, and good navigation and mountaineering skills, but he does take almost purely "entertainment" chances like his torchlit walk in the snow at night, rappelling down an unknown height of cliff face over water of unknown depth or egress, and the recent unwarranted risk of return on some honey for getting stung up from bees, a definite Bear Grylls "been there done that on TV" moment.

 

[amon]

I don't really understand all the hype about nutnfancy. Sure he does some cool reviews but I don't get when/how/why he became the final word on anything and everything that has to do with survival and gear. I have heard people who follow his every word. I am on a number of survival forums and many people consider him to be their lifeline to info.

To me he is just another guy with a camera who likes to talk... a lot. Anyone can give opinions and put it on youtube these days it doesn't make them an expert in anything.

I use videos like his and others as tools to learn things/ideas to use when I am out. However, I will make my own decisions for myself as to what works, what doesn't and what to buy.

I just don’t get it.

 

[R.A.T.]

Most all of the portrayed "unknowns" on a TV show are really not unknowns at all. They have been calculated and setup before they are filmed, then shown to the viewer as real risks. Guys, most of these shows are bullshit even though there are some good points made in them.

 

[adaman04]

I don't really understand all the hype about nutnfancy. Sure he does some cool reviews but I don't get when/how/why he became the final word on anything and everything that has to do with survival and gear. I have heard people who follow his every word. I am on a number of survival forums and many people consider him to be their lifeline to info.

To me he is just another guy with a camera who likes to talk... a lot. Anyone can give opinions and put it on youtube these days it doesn't make them an expert in anything.

I use videos like his and others as tools to learn things/ideas to use when I am out. However, I will make my own decisions for myself as to what works, what doesn't and what to buy.

I just don’t get it.

No, I think you DO get it. Nutnfancy is just a guy who sees an above average amount of gear and passes his opinions on to others. I like a lot of the same stuff, so that's why I watch his videos. There are a lot of products that he thinks are awesome that don't do much for me, mainly Cold Steel knives. He is also a firm believe that any outdoors blade under 7" shouldn't be considered a survival knife. YMMV. As you said, I like to make my own decisions.

And Jeff pretty well nailed it as usual on the TV "reality" comments. In "reality" most survival experts wouldn't be out hunting for turkeys with a home made arrow and glass arrowhead on day 2.

 

[Rat Finkenstein]

he is just another guy with a camera who likes to talk... a lot.

A good summary. I tried watching some of his videos before, had to turn them off, as he droned on endlessly about nothing.

 

[Don Rearic]

Most all of the portrayed "unknowns" on a TV show are really not unknowns at all. They have been calculated and setup before they are filmed, then shown to the viewer as real risks. Guys, most of these shows are bullshit even though there are some good points made in them.

Uh-Yup.

 

[KEmSAT-Survival]

Most all of the portrayed "unknowns" on a TV show are really not unknowns at all. They have been calculated and setup before they are filmed, then shown to the viewer as real risks. Guys, most of these shows are bullshit even though there are some good points made in them.

You mean...the teevee lies to me?!

OH THE HUMANITY! Say it ain't so, Senhorr Hef-fuh-fuh!

Think either one of them will ever drink water from an elephant turd? :barf:

 

[Boats]

Most all of the portrayed "unknowns" on a TV show are really not unknowns at all. They have been calculated and setup before they are filmed, then shown to the viewer as real risks. Guys, most of these shows are bullshit even though there are some good points made in them.

The shows are bullshit, that's pretty much a given, but the "hosts" of some of these are legitimate folks in the "survival" industry you are a member of.

What disappoints is when the "host" knows better about what he is doing, whether the risk is being portrayed as an "unknown," with serious injury potential, or the high caloric and time intensive activity is counter to really "getting out" in a survival situation, and neither is pointed out as such.

All of these current generation "survival" shows just make me miss Les Stroud's low key approach.

I guess Survivorman wasn't action oriented enough to be emulated by anyone new when Stroud decided to hang it up.

 

[R.A.T.]

The shows are bullshit, that's pretty much a given, but the "hosts" of some of these are legitimate folks in the "survival" industry you are a member of.

What disappoints is when the "host" knows better about what he is doing, whether the risk is being portrayed as an "unknown," with serious injury potential, or the high caloric and time intensive activity is counter to really "getting out" in a survival situation, and neither is pointed out as such.

All of these current generation "survival" shows just make me miss Les Stroud's low key approach.

I guess Survivorman wasn't action oriented enough to be emulated by anyone new when Stroud decided to hang it up.

Welcome to Hollywood. A good example of why we dismiss almost every "offer" we get to do a "survival" show.

 

[styx]

Well this wasn't really on Dual Survival. More on Nutnfancy going ahead of himself again or me missing sth

 

[RYP]

Some insight on survival shows and hosts.

I get about two to three calls a month from TV producers, researchers, whatevers saying "Hey have you ever considered doing a survival show"

I ask them how they found me (lemme guess the internet) If you type in in Dangerous Places. Boom there I am. Its mostly because I have had a pretty chunky website since 1995

They then pitch me an idea, or the lazy ones tell me to pitch them idea (me getting shot at, blown up, kidnapped etc while they cash the checks)

I tell them I pretty much do my thing and if you want to do a show, I exec produce, host, and even film my stuff. No fake shit, no set ups, no "ooh lets pretend we're lost and rub these sticks together"

By now they are losing interest because
a) I don't eat things that come out an animals ass holes. I like a good steak and a single malt
b) I have a good time even when the shit hits the fan - why go out frowning.
c) I only go to places where people are getting killed, hurt, sick, kidnapped etc because only then can you respect what it takes to stay alive.
d) I am not the expert, the people who teach me are the experts. Most of em dont' speak english, wear nice clothes or like cameras around (0r all three)

and the big killer is when I explain that I spent almost ten years of my life dragging a camera crew around only to find out that I really, really just like doing my own thing, going to cool places, doing cool things (most of em I can't write about or film) meeting cool people and learning about life from cooler people than me.

So kudos (and dollars) to all the guys getting "pretend worried" and showing us once again, that white guys look stupid pretending to be lost. I would rather hump a sack of rice to Liberian rebels, put a bad guy behind bars in a backwater shithole or make a tree fort with my grandson than be told by TV people. "Gimme more emoting, show me scared, c'mon react to that snake, here eat this slime and gimme all you got" etc etc.

There are plenty or real people surviving right now in Pakistan, China, Inda and even the Gulf that we can learn from without making shit up for bored TV viewers.

Peace out

RYP

 

[1066vik]

I'm seriously grooving on bullet point "a".
sounds like my kind of "real survival'.

 

[Cpl Punishment]

Dunno RYP, I'd like to see your show.

 

[viix]

being in the broadcast industry, nothing is ever real.. or "unknown".. even some game show outcome might be simulated or edited to secure ratings..
the programmes need to make money first, and every episode filmed is money wasted.. so unless the sponsers know what's gonna happen, they won't pay.. this in turns means research and consumer responses need to be presented before any sorts of approval gets a go ahead..

 

[styx]

RYP man I'd actually pay to see your show.
Most of the things I learned about survival was from my grandfather. True it was rather myopic since most details only apply for cold weather, mountains and thick forests. And he had to learn since it was the way ppl lived where he grew up. As RYP said - where ppl die, get killed and get sick.