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Is it just tradition?
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Ankerson
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Yeah I do see it, but I ignore it personally because it doesn't matter what hobby people have there will always be those who think they are above others for some odd reason so it's best just to overlook it.
Personally I could care less, I learned to freehand a very long time ago so I don't think it's all that big of a deal other than maybe people learning the basics.
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So true.
I especially love it when the old "crutch" argument is trotted out.
Yeah that's always funny to read...
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I haven't seen it(freehand sharpening snobbery) as a "major trend" as he describes, and haven't even noticed it here on Blade Forums.
I seldom go to the Maintenace forum, so maybe it goes on there ???
Like you, I couldn't care less about how others sharpen. Well, you did say you could care less, but I can't
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I haven't seen it(freehand sharpening snobbery) as a "major trend" as he describes, and haven't even noticed it here on Blade Forums.
I seldom go to the Maintenace forum, so maybe it goes on there ???
Like you, I couldn't care less about how others sharpen. Well, you did say you could care less, but I can't
For the most I think so, in the maintenance forum, but I really don't go over there all that often and when I do I ignore it.... Not really worth the effort IMO....
People just don't like to change. People like doing what they've been doing for a long time because they're comfortable with that. Some people find learning new techniques to be a hassle, even if the new technique is so much easier.
For example, I didn't learn to tie shoelaces until I was eleven because I thought velcro was superior and honestly, I felt like learning to tie my shoes was just kind of a hassle, I knew velcro so I didn't see the point in learning something new.
Then I realized good shoes do not come in velcro and I learned to tie laces and now I feel stupid every time I recount this story.
For example, I didn't learn to tie shoelaces until I was eleven because I thought velcro was superior and honestly, I felt like learning to tie my shoes was just kind of a hassle, I knew velcro so I didn't see the point in learning something new.
Then I realized good shoes do not come in velcro and I learned to tie laces and now I feel stupid every time I recount this story.
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I know what you mean.....
I dunno, I think it has something to do with being nostalgic or something or whatever.....
That does seem to be the fad for lack of a better term these days....
It's like I can do X....... Well so can a ton of other people so it's not all that big of a deal, not even close to as big of a deal they try and make it out to be... And they over complicate the heck out it, or try too make it sound harder than it really is.
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Why do I drive a car instead of riding a horse? Hey, maybe it's because I can do things faster with it. Not necessarily better but enough to do what needs to be done.
Darn cars, they're such a crutch.
Darn cars, they're such a crutch.
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Why do I drive a car instead of riding a horse? Hey, maybe it's because I can do things faster with it. Not necessarily better but enough to do what needs to be done.
Darn cars, they're such a crutch.
I wonder that same thing every time I send an email instead of writing out a letter in calligraphy with a fountain pen and sealing it with wax, like our ancestors did for so many years.
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Why do I drive a car instead of riding a horse? Hey, maybe it's because I can do things faster with it. Not necessarily better but enough to do what needs to be done.
Darn cars, they're such a crutch.
Horses?
Don't need a horse, walking is just fine, what does someone need a horse for?
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Seems to be more technology snobs in here than freehand sharpening snobs
In this thread, in the General Forum.
I always like to mention when people start talking about the good old days etc.....
Why not just go back like 1,000 years ago because we don't need all that fancy stuff, or how about 10,000 years ago, or 30,000 years ago......
And make the point that if they put their train of thought to everything in general that's what it would be like because that's exactly what they are saying....
And the human race wouldn't have even evolved at all if everyone thought that way...
So much for being nostalgic......
Sounds pretty freaking stupid huh when you really think about it...
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Seems to be more technology snobs in here than freehand sharpening snobs
Hhhhhmmmm I don't consider myself a technology snob but rather a "better quality of living" snob.
I tend to question why not if it works as well, makes more people capable of achieving something that only few used to be able to do, and doesn't take years to learn to do.
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They are againt relying on technology instead of relying on their own skill. Obviously technology is great but i think most people see nobility in doing things the 'old fashioned' or 'by hand' way.
Nobody uses wooden tennis racquets anymore. Nobody.
The sharpener thing is more complicated. people who have been using stones for 30 yrs can upgrade to diamond or ceramic stones, & feel all is good.
Electric devices need bench space & power outlets. Sometimes there isn't space.
Some people aren't concerned by time.
The sharpener thing is more complicated. people who have been using stones for 30 yrs can upgrade to diamond or ceramic stones, & feel all is good.
Electric devices need bench space & power outlets. Sometimes there isn't space.
Some people aren't concerned by time.
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Some of us learned the traditional way long before some of those others even knew what a knife was or were even born....
And we still can and do sharpen that way when we want to, but have chosen to buy a system to speed things up some like say the Edge Pro for example.
Oh well said Sir.
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I bought a Lansky system for one reason. I like the looks of a crisp, clean edge. I have been using it for years with decent results. Touch up of the kitchen knives is much easier with it and it takes less time too. The Lansky's problem is that it does not work well with all blade shapes and sizes. That is not the case with a good basic set of stones, knowledge and a little practice. If I was forced to only have one system to sharpen my knives, the Lansky would be gone without a second thought.
New and improved gear has it's place, but is not always the best route to go. I have three different steels in my kitchen, one of them is high-tech with a diamond finish. Another was purchased years ago when I had money burning a hole in my pocket and just had to have something new. The last one is an old, beat up wood handled steel that is older than I am.
That is my favorite. It is the one that I reach for the most. Easier to use and does a better job.
Well, I'll use an example regarding my job. I'm a machinist and use computer controlled machinery to manufacture parts. The best machinists started on manual machines setting up cuts and doing the math themselves to make parts.
Although the parts made on a manual machine couldn't approach the complexity of the parts made on an automatic machine and programmed with CAM software a machinist who has only run automatics is basically an appliance operator.
Without the basic skills gained on the old fashioned machines he does not have the understanding of what he is doing to solve all but the most basic problems. When the network used to get programs to the machine is down he has a $150,000 piece of useless iron in front of him whereas someone with basic skills can still make basic parts.
The new machines are certainly much better but without the "old skills" you are like the statue in the dream of Nebuchadnezzer, head of gold, arms of silver, legs of iron, and feet of clay. Break the feet and the statue topples.
So new is most certainly better, but you don't want to lose the basics.
Although the parts made on a manual machine couldn't approach the complexity of the parts made on an automatic machine and programmed with CAM software a machinist who has only run automatics is basically an appliance operator.
Without the basic skills gained on the old fashioned machines he does not have the understanding of what he is doing to solve all but the most basic problems. When the network used to get programs to the machine is down he has a $150,000 piece of useless iron in front of him whereas someone with basic skills can still make basic parts.
The new machines are certainly much better but without the "old skills" you are like the statue in the dream of Nebuchadnezzer, head of gold, arms of silver, legs of iron, and feet of clay. Break the feet and the statue topples.
So new is most certainly better, but you don't want to lose the basics.
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Agreed. There is no substitute for skill. Skill+Tech=Better results.