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- Thread starter MercyfulfateXX
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Agree with this and those that posted something similar. Copyright laws DO exist and apply automatically to any original work whether posted on the internet or not. It does not even have to have copyright symbols or notification of copyright. Use of any image not labeled "public domain" is likely a violation of copyright law.
Okay guys, so let me get this straight. If I do a check on your PC's I'm not going to find anything on there you didn't either do yourself or got the permission of the original owner to use? I'm not just talking knife pics here.
Come on people let's get real here. If you post anything, and I do mean ANYTHING online thinking the online community is going to give you a break just because it's the right thing to do you're sorely mistaken.
If people all did the right thing I wouldn't need a lock on my front door now would I. What I meant with my post was that if you're not ready to accept anything you post online is up for grabs you should think twice about posting that pic.
Come on people let's get real here. If you post anything, and I do mean ANYTHING online thinking the online community is going to give you a break just because it's the right thing to do you're sorely mistaken.
If people all did the right thing I wouldn't need a lock on my front door now would I. What I meant with my post was that if you're not ready to accept anything you post online is up for grabs you should think twice about posting that pic.
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Downloading an image is different than re-using an image, especially when doing it to make money.
And as far as the OP's original question, if you've got to ask a question about ethics, you already know the answer, you're just hoping for an excuse to justify doing it.
And as far as the OP's original question, if you've got to ask a question about ethics, you already know the answer, you're just hoping for an excuse to justify doing it.
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Most people do the right thing. And then there are those who have a warped moral compass and don't mind stealing from other folks. It is because of those people that door locks, glocks, and ignore lists are made.
The question wasn't "do people steal other folks images?" The question was is it okay to do so. Just because it does happen doesn't make it right and doesn't mean we should put up with and sure as heck doesn't mean we should do it!
No, what you meant is what you said. You said you think it is fine to steal other people's photos.
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I have had a few people use my pics after they bought it. Some have asked, some have not!! I prefer when someone asks, but the way I figure it, they bought the knife and if it's in the same condition they can use the pic.
You are missing the point, and that is to be expected. However, if you think that consequences are a thing of antiquity, you are wrong. No need to throw down the strawman here, the question was asked if it was unethical to take someone elses photos and use them (implying no credit given to the original owner). The answer is yes, it is unethical and more than likely illegal if someone was so inclined to pursue it and some do. Is it really such a stretch for you to believe that some folks actually still have some semblance of values and consciously try day in and day out to do the right thing despite whatever the "general" crowd is doing? I sure hope I'm wrong. This isn't about being holier than thou or anything of the sort.
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I think when you post to most photo hosting sites you do give up rights and the image is considered "up for grabs".
Netshade you aren't getting it. This isn't the entire internet community being discussed, its the very small and fairly tight-knit subsection of the knife community.
If you don't treat people with courtesy and respect it will be remembered for a long time.
If you don't treat people with courtesy and respect it will be remembered for a long time.
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Well, Im going with the consensus (and of course RevDevil) and I took my own crappy pic,lol I have a good camera but apparently don't know how to use it. I guess the reason I asked other than the fact I really didn't know is some people here are great photographers and their pics are way way nicer than mine will ever be.
a few years ago I was selling an Ibanez GMC Jem on Ebay and while I was still selling it I noticed another seller was using my pics I had a friend take for me. to be honest I was upset. even though he had the same guitar but mine was mint and his was not. A rare guitar indeed but yea,i was upset and emailed him to not do that. Ebay shut him down for that.Not sure if that's allowed or not now. but I think maybe in my case if the original seller was to allow me to use the pic I would think it would be ok, but then again, maybe not? regardless, I took my own pic and feel better about doing it.
a few years ago I was selling an Ibanez GMC Jem on Ebay and while I was still selling it I noticed another seller was using my pics I had a friend take for me. to be honest I was upset. even though he had the same guitar but mine was mint and his was not. A rare guitar indeed but yea,i was upset and emailed him to not do that. Ebay shut him down for that.Not sure if that's allowed or not now. but I think maybe in my case if the original seller was to allow me to use the pic I would think it would be ok, but then again, maybe not? regardless, I took my own pic and feel better about doing it.
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I have met Jeff and Oderus while playing in Metal bands back in the early 80s. Jeff and Oderus will be missed greatly.
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In the knife world, and the world of selling in general, your reputation is everything. Why do you think reputable sights (like ours) have feedback.
Start messing around and using other people's photos and the like, and it will get you far, far away from here!
Most people, myself included, are here because there is still honesty and integrity among men. Do things yourself. Stand by your word. If credit is due someone else, then give it to them. If they own something and you want to use it, ask.
My own sons, even knowing I would give everything for them, including my own life, will still ask to borrow the shovel instead of just grabbing it out of the shed.
Honor, integrity, respect. If you don't have those, maybe this is not the place for you to hang out. Sorry members, sorry Mods, if I crossed any lines. This kind of thing is one of my pet peeves.
Start messing around and using other people's photos and the like, and it will get you far, far away from here!
Most people, myself included, are here because there is still honesty and integrity among men. Do things yourself. Stand by your word. If credit is due someone else, then give it to them. If they own something and you want to use it, ask.
My own sons, even knowing I would give everything for them, including my own life, will still ask to borrow the shovel instead of just grabbing it out of the shed.
Honor, integrity, respect. If you don't have those, maybe this is not the place for you to hang out. Sorry members, sorry Mods, if I crossed any lines. This kind of thing is one of my pet peeves.
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The title of the thread mentioned ethics,,,, aside from any legality, some of us try to operate with respect when it comes to sales.
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Take your own damn pictures period. If you are too stupid to figure out how to upload them to your computer, or don't own a camera (not even a camera phone?) then ask the previous seller for permission to use his pics. Now only do this if the knife is in the same condition as you bought it. Lastly be sure to mention in the thread that the pictures are not yours but the knife is exactly in the same condition as shown.
But seriously some of the sellers here need to learn how to post pics in their sales threads. If you don't have the decency and courtesy to post pics of your items for sale, you won't be getting business from me. (unless it's something that REALLY peaks my interest to an exponential level)
But seriously some of the sellers here need to learn how to post pics in their sales threads. If you don't have the decency and courtesy to post pics of your items for sale, you won't be getting business from me. (unless it's something that REALLY peaks my interest to an exponential level)
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In my early days on the forums I used others pics a time or 2 (with their permission) and I have let others use mine with permission.
Disagree here. Make sure it is in exactly the same condition. Otherwise problems will arrise.
If you have carried, used, handled, smiled at the knife take new pics. I don't mind sales threads where they link to original pics if they are clearer and larger etc (as many custom makers or sellers have better photos. Nut make sure you take pics if the condition has changed.
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I did some dumb things out of ignorance when I started on the forums and I had my a$$ handed to me on more than one occasion.
It's all about trust and reputation around here when it comes to the fast transactions that are common .
Occasionally the unethical thief visits.
Bottom line...post your own pics or if you must borrow, ask permission from the photographer and post "borrowed pics" in your thread.
It's all about trust and reputation around here when it comes to the fast transactions that are common .
Occasionally the unethical thief visits.
Bottom line...post your own pics or if you must borrow, ask permission from the photographer and post "borrowed pics" in your thread.
I sure am glad that Bladeforums is not the whole world then. This is the least ethical way to look at it. I really like dealing with most people here, and have got to know some really great guys who are true stand up gentlemen. I suppose there are always those who just follow and do what's expected of people nowdays, thankfully they dont seem to last to long around here. Guess thats just the way it works.
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I think what Netshade's point was that if you post a picture on the internet anyone can take/use it. For example if one of you guys posted a naked picture of your wife in Pirate's Cove. Anyone there could easily save it to their computer and do what they wish with it before you realize that you screwed up and delete it. The sad thing is there's really not anything that you can do about it, unfortunately.
So basically what I think that Netshade was trying to say is: Yes, it's wrong but people will still do it anyway and there isn't much you can do about it. Furthermore you should always think before you post a picture and take into consideration that anyone can save it and post it throughout the web. Just look at all the celebrities/politicians who have gotten in trouble over similar situations like this.
So basically what I think that Netshade was trying to say is: Yes, it's wrong but people will still do it anyway and there isn't much you can do about it. Furthermore you should always think before you post a picture and take into consideration that anyone can save it and post it throughout the web. Just look at all the celebrities/politicians who have gotten in trouble over similar situations like this.
Come on, man! If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.
What you said was :
Contrary to what you said, just because you find a pic on the net does NOT mean the one who took the pic gives you permission to use it.
Soooooo..... as to the OP's question, it would be unethical for the OP to assume he has permission to use the photo, and even with permission it would be unethical not to disclose clearly to potential buyers that the pic was of the item before the seller obtained that item.
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