Is Kershaw cooling?

I really think Kershaw would gain some interest if they would bring back some long discontinued models from the past. I carried a plain edge 2415 for a couple years (I bought it in the mid 90s?) until I lost it, and then shortly after that discovered Benchmade.
It was a very well made knife and would love to own another.

Obviously not my pic…
 
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MolokaiRider MolokaiRider , count me in for the thanks of starting a great thread. So far... so good! No politics (OK, a little...), but lots of great information and burning memories about Kershaw. While I wasn't confirmed, they were as close to converting me to a fan boy as any knife maker has ever been. Lots of good memories actually waiting to see what Kershaw did next.


It pains me to see that post above about Thomas. I've met the guy on several occasions and I have to say that he's a good guy that is passionate about knives. He has one hell of a personal knife collection! However I think all the stress of being the guy that everyone goes to with their ideas, problems, concerns, etc just overwhelmed him in a big way. Honestly it takes a very unique person to be in such a position and stay cool, calm and collected all the time. I don't know, I just wanted to say that he is a good guy, maybe just wasn't prepared to take on such a position. Sometimes I think it would be really cool to be the link between one of my favorite knife companies and the people, but then I think about what I see people comment on company's pages on different social medias and start thinking that maybe that wouldn't be too fun of a job afterall. I wasn't around at the end of the Kershaw sub forum so I don't know exactly what happened. I might be better off for it.
For Thomas, it was his dream job, that went in the ditch. Then sank.

We emailed back and forth a few times and actually talked on the phone a couple of times. If you were reasonable with him, he was reasonable with you. I had problems with one of the Kershaws I bought and he had me send it straight to him (I can't remember what model, damnit) so he could see it. He sent me a new one right away.

He was NOT, NOT, NOT cut out for social media type people. Social media was starting its demanding roar of immediate attention about the time Kershaw was re-working things. Thomas was pleased that they had so many new knives coming out in a stream, but wished they would slow down. Certainly it happened here, more than once. He became the face of customer service, the face of Kershaw, and was expected to answer all questions big and small, respond immediately (or sooner), have every answer at hand, and treat every single poster here or on other sites with great respect and attention. Remember that Kershaws were inexpensive knives for the most part then, and I remember thinking that people were pretty demanding over a purchase that was much less than a night out with the boys. Thomas thought of most of the Kershaw line as work knives, or duty knives and not collector's pieces. And he never got the outrage he faced when it took him more than 24 hours to respond (he was reported by indignant, tearful Kershaw owners here more than once) and apologized by explaining BF wasn't his full time job, nor was customer service, but he did it as a favor to all here.

It got worse for him. Machining techniques aren't what they are now, nor are CNC processes, plasma cutting, and robot controlled manufacturing techniques. Back 15 (?) years ago there was still some hand assembly and manufacture. The poor guy couldn't understand why it was important that someone had a blade that was noticeably off center (maybe 1/32nd or so!) or wasn't ground perfectly at the price point they sold Kershaws at in those days. Since he knew the cost and the time involved in getting a prototype to manufacture, he was honestly hurt when a contest would erupt here or on other venues with the posters trying to out smart-ass one another expressing how much they hated the new knife. Not liking the new offering made him upset; making fun of Kershaw, its people and products pissed him off.

He quit answering my emails, and I noticed that he got pretty mean, pretty vindictive, and hated being here. Kershaw forum went away for a while, then came back, and with Thomas as the Kershaw rep and wound up in the same position. Thomas didn't want to be here, and no one wanted him to be here anymore. Realizing that BF comprised a microcosm of their end of the global knife world, Kershaw and Spark came to an agreement (details to me unknown) and Spark generously allowed the archives to remain here with their subforum closed. At the end of it all it was more than obvious that Thomas was not a good fit for the whipping boy he needed to be on occasion. Yet when he complained or fired back, the dog piling started. Injured parties declared he should not have taken the job if he couldn't stand the heat. (He has as many as 150 emails from customers a day...) Pissed off people called Kershaw to complain about their service and ridiculously think that KAI cared if they never bought another KAI product. He told me himself that people would call every day with hurt feelings to talk to his superiors over the tiniest butt hurts.

And, as he pointed out to me, Kershaw did/does have excellent customer service. It was a hallmark of building the company. Yet, to those feeling entitled after purchasing that $25-$35 knife, only Thomas could give them the recognition and attention they needed.

I have a life sized picture of Thomas in this position now; no telling what would happen if he read a review about a $35 knife (that some here discuss as disposable). "It wasn't drop shutty, I had to move my wrist a bit to get the blade to fall." "I got my micrometer out, and sure enough, the blade is a full 3/1000s off center." "I had to disassemble the knife as I could feel that the bearings had too much lube on them. I was able to fix it, though." "I took apart the knife for routine maintenance (I cut a lot of dirty FedEx envelopes about once a week and it had been 6 weeks since the last cleaning) and when I put it back together it didn't line up perfectly. Man am I disappointed; I guess I am not as good as the factory with their fancy jigs and tools. They made this knife too complicated." "This knife just doesn't fidget well. For $35 I could have had a ChiviviKubey that fires like a rocket." You get the idea. Since it is the style everywhere now to pick at every detail so you can present yourself an expert, he would never make it. Maybe he got away in time!
 
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It pains me to see that post above about Thomas. I've met the guy on several occasions and I have to say that he's a good guy that is passionate about knives. He has one hell of a personal knife collection! However I think all the stress of being the guy that everyone goes to with their ideas, problems, concerns, etc just overwhelmed him in a big way. Honestly it takes a very unique person to be in such a position and stay cool, calm and collected all the time. I don't know, I just wanted to say that he is a good guy, maybe just wasn't prepared to take on such a position. Sometimes I think it would be really cool to be the link between one of my favorite knife companies and the people, but then I think about what I see people comment on company's pages on different social medias and start thinking that maybe that wouldn't be too fun of a job afterall. I wasn't around at the end of the Kershaw sub forum so I don't know exactly what happened. I might be better off for it.
Yeah that was unfortunate. I think it takes a certain skill set to stay neutral as a provider on social media for a large company. We can be a fickle bunch, and you can't please everyone.
That’s the one that does it for me.

I never really saw Kershaw as a particularly stand-out knifemaker, apart from their Ken Onion collaboration. Been carrying a Leek for years. I’ve only recently begun to branch-out, and although I can certainly spend more money, I don’t know that I’ve seen/handled anything that I like better for daily carry.

As far as I’m concerned, Kershaw will have truly “cooled off” once they change/discontinue the Leek, or begin building them in China.

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Good stuff. The Leek has survived a test of time for good reason. Nice knives!
You guys remember this one? This is the OG Volt.

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Hubba hubba!
All of the same designers that worked w/ZT also worked w/Kershaw.

The Tyrade and some others notwithstanding, Ken Onion's designs were what drew me to Kershaw in the 1st place. The Shallot was the 1st Kershaw that I bought and the one that I still consider my favorite.

However, in addition to Ken Onion, the others who worked for Kershaw included RJ Martin, Les George Hinderer, Sinkevich, Gaylean, as well as others I can't recall off hand right now. I bought a number of Kershaws made by each of them when I 1st started collecting.
Thanks for the info, I knew you collected
them for a good period of time before dialing in your current collection.
I really think Kershaw would gain some interest if they would bring back some long discontinued models from the past. I carried a plain edge 2415 for a couple years (I bought it in the mid 90s?) until I lost it, and then shortly after that discovered Benchmade.
It was a very well made knife and would love to own another.

Obviously not my pic…
That this is beautiful. Kershaw seems to have opened a lot of doors into this hobby for a lot of us.
MolokaiRider MolokaiRider , count me in for the thanks of starting a great thread. So far... so good! No politics (OK, a little...), but lots of great information and burning memories about Kershaw. While I wasn't confirmed, they were as close to converting me to a fan boy as any knife maker has ever been. Lots of good memories actually waiting to see what Kershaw did next.



For Thomas, it was his dream job, that went in the ditch. Then sank.

We emailed back and forth a few times and actually talked on the phone a couple of times. If you were reasonable with him, he was reasonable with you. I had problems with one of the Kershaws I bought and he had me send it straight to him (I can't remember what model, damnit) so he could see it. He sent me a new one right away.

He was NOT, NOT, NOT cut out for social media type people. Social media was starting its demanding roar of immediate attention about the time Kershaw was re-working things. Thomas was pleased that they had so many new knives coming out in a stream, but wished they would slow down. Certainly it happened here, more than once. He became the face of customer service, the face of Kershaw, and was expected to answer all questions big and small, respond immediately (or sooner), have every answer at hand, and treat every single poster here or on other sites with great respect and attention. Remember that Kershaws were inexpensive knives for the most part then, and I remember thinking that people were pretty demanding over a purchase that much less than a night out with the boys. Thomas thought of most of the Kershaw line as work knives, or duty knives and not collector's pieces. And he never got the outrage he faced when it took him more than 24 hours to respond (he was reported by indignant, tearful Kershaw owners here more than once) and apologized by explaining BF wasn't his full time job, nor was customer service, but he did it as a favor to all here.

It got worse for him. Machining techniques aren't what they are now, nor are CNC processes, plasma cutting, and robot controlled manufacturing techniques. Back 15 (?) years ago there was still some hand assembly and manufacture. The poor guy couldn't understand why it was important that someone had a blade that was noticeably off center (maybe 1/32nd or so!) or wasn't ground perfectly at the price point they sold Kershaws at in those days. Since he knew the cost and the time involved in getting a prototype to manufacture, he was honestly hurt when a contest would erupt here or on other venues with the posters trying to out smart-ass one another expressing how much they hated the new knife. Not liking the new offering made him upset; making fun of Kershaw, its people and products pissed him off.

He quit answering my emails, and I noticed that he got pretty mean, pretty vindictive, and hated being here. Kershae forum went away for a while, then came back, and with Thomas as the Kershaw rep wound up in the same position. Thomas didn't want to be here, and no one wanted him to be here anymore. Realizing that BF comprised a microcosm of their end of the global knife world, Kershaw and Spark came to an agreement (details to me unknown) and Spark generously allowed the archives to remain here with their subforum closed. At the end of it all it was more than obvious that Thomas was not a good fit for the whipping boy he needed to be on occasion. Yet when he complained or fired back, the dog piling started. Injured parties declared he should not have taken the job if he couldn't stand the heat. (He has as many as 150 emails from customers a day...) Pissed off people called Kershaw to complain about their service and ridiculously think that KAI cared if they never bought another KAI product. He told me himself that people would call every day with hurt feelings to talk to his superiors over the tiniest butt hurts.

And, as he pointed out to me, Kershaw did/does have excellent customer service. It was a hallmark of building the company. Yet, to those feeling entitled after purchasing that $25-$35 knife, only Thomas could give them the recognition and attention they needed.

I have a life sized picture of Thomas in this position now; no telling what would happen if he read a review about a $35 knife (that some here discuss as disposable). "It wasn't drop shutty, I had to move my wrist a bit to get the blade to fall." "I got my micrometer out, and sure enough, the blade is a full 3/1000s off center." "I had to disassembly the knife as I could feel that the bearings had too much lube on them. I was able to fix it, though." "I took apart the knife for routine maintenance (I cut a lot of dirty FedEx envelopes about once a week and it had been 6 weeks since the last cleaning) and when I put it back together it didn't line up perfectly. Man am I disappointed; I guess I am not as good as the factory with their fancy jigs and tools. They made this knife too complicated." "This knife just doesn't fidget well. For $35 I could have had a ChiviviKubey that fires like a rocket." You get the idea. Since it is the style everywhere now to pick at every detail so you can present yourself an expert, he would never make it. Maybe he got away in time!
Thanks for the detailed post. Being a forum moderator for a large brand is gotta be tough.
Especially when there is blood in the water.
 
That knife was a marvel, I wish I had one.

The last time Kershaw tried to stretch their talents was the 4040 Ruby. By all accounts it wasn’t well received and Kershaw hasn’t tried to flex since then. Mine sits in a knife bag, unused. It’s an ugly, garish knife despite premium materials and high manufacturing standards.

They haven’t really tried since then.
The Volt really was a marvel man. I remember being at a point where I was done buying knives at the time, but then that came up for pre-order and I just absolutely had to have it.

I agree the Ruby was kind of an ugly knife haha. I really wanted to love it but it just never really meshed with me for some reason. It's definitely a sweet knife, it's just the design wasn't quite my style. That's awesome you still have yours though, that should be worth quite a bit some day. Probably already is.
Yeah, don't remind me.

It's been on my buy list for a LONG TIME and Iwas REALLY ANNOYED when I saw one the day after it sold for just $295 (you read that right) on ACK last year! Look it up.

The only one that I've seen since is the one someone has been trying to sell at auction for awhile on EB for a starting bid of $950 OBO. The listing has been reposted multiple times due to no one willing to bid that much and probably not offering the seller enough to sell it otherwise.
Oh jeez, don't tell me I missed that deal too... Dang man, I would have bought that sight unseen also, that's crazy. Yea I looked it up yesterday and saw that one on the auction site you're talking about. Crazy.
MolokaiRider MolokaiRider , count me in for the thanks of starting a great thread. So far... so good! No politics (OK, a little...), but lots of great information and burning memories about Kershaw. While I wasn't confirmed, they were as close to converting me to a fan boy as any knife maker has ever been. Lots of good memories actually waiting to see what Kershaw did next.



For Thomas, it was his dream job, that went in the ditch. Then sank.

We emailed back and forth a few times and actually talked on the phone a couple of times. If you were reasonable with him, he was reasonable with you. I had problems with one of the Kershaws I bought and he had me send it straight to him (I can't remember what model, damnit) so he could see it. He sent me a new one right away.

He was NOT, NOT, NOT cut out for social media type people. Social media was starting its demanding roar of immediate attention about the time Kershaw was re-working things. Thomas was pleased that they had so many new knives coming out in a stream, but wished they would slow down. Certainly it happened here, more than once. He became the face of customer service, the face of Kershaw, and was expected to answer all questions big and small, respond immediately (or sooner), have every answer at hand, and treat every single poster here or on other sites with great respect and attention. Remember that Kershaws were inexpensive knives for the most part then, and I remember thinking that people were pretty demanding over a purchase that much less than a night out with the boys. Thomas thought of most of the Kershaw line as work knives, or duty knives and not collector's pieces. And he never got the outrage he faced when it took him more than 24 hours to respond (he was reported by indignant, tearful Kershaw owners here more than once) and apologized by explaining BF wasn't his full time job, nor was customer service, but he did it as a favor to all here.

It got worse for him. Machining techniques aren't what they are now, nor are CNC processes, plasma cutting, and robot controlled manufacturing techniques. Back 15 (?) years ago there was still some hand assembly and manufacture. The poor guy couldn't understand why it was important that someone had a blade that was noticeably off center (maybe 1/32nd or so!) or wasn't ground perfectly at the price point they sold Kershaws at in those days. Since he knew the cost and the time involved in getting a prototype to manufacture, he was honestly hurt when a contest would erupt here or on other venues with the posters trying to out smart-ass one another expressing how much they hated the new knife. Not liking the new offering made him upset; making fun of Kershaw, its people and products pissed him off.

He quit answering my emails, and I noticed that he got pretty mean, pretty vindictive, and hated being here. Kershae forum went away for a while, then came back, and with Thomas as the Kershaw rep wound up in the same position. Thomas didn't want to be here, and no one wanted him to be here anymore. Realizing that BF comprised a microcosm of their end of the global knife world, Kershaw and Spark came to an agreement (details to me unknown) and Spark generously allowed the archives to remain here with their subforum closed. At the end of it all it was more than obvious that Thomas was not a good fit for the whipping boy he needed to be on occasion. Yet when he complained or fired back, the dog piling started. Injured parties declared he should not have taken the job if he couldn't stand the heat. (He has as many as 150 emails from customers a day...) Pissed off people called Kershaw to complain about their service and ridiculously think that KAI cared if they never bought another KAI product. He told me himself that people would call every day with hurt feelings to talk to his superiors over the tiniest butt hurts.

And, as he pointed out to me, Kershaw did/does have excellent customer service. It was a hallmark of building the company. Yet, to those feeling entitled after purchasing that $25-$35 knife, only Thomas could give them the recognition and attention they needed.

I have a life sized picture of Thomas in this position now; no telling what would happen if he read a review about a $35 knife (that some here discuss as disposable). "It wasn't drop shutty, I had to move my wrist a bit to get the blade to fall." "I got my micrometer out, and sure enough, the blade is a full 3/1000s off center." "I had to disassembly the knife as I could feel that the bearings had too much lube on them. I was able to fix it, though." "I took apart the knife for routine maintenance (I cut a lot of dirty FedEx envelopes about once a week and it had been 6 weeks since the last cleaning) and when I put it back together it didn't line up perfectly. Man am I disappointed; I guess I am not as good as the factory with their fancy jigs and tools. They made this knife too complicated." "This knife just doesn't fidget well. For $35 I could have had a ChiviviKubey that fires like a rocket." You get the idea. Since it is the style everywhere now to pick at every detail so you can present yourself an expert, he would never make it. Maybe he got away in time!
Thanks for the bit of history on what I missed. Yea man, social media is a cutthroat society. It's strange how humans, who might be very courteous face to face, can show some very different sides on social media.
 
Kershaw was, like many of you, my gateway drug into better pocket knives. Back in the early/mid 2000s, they offered a lot of great knives of interesting designs coming in at the $50-70 range. I really think the Junkyard Dog 2 has been one of the best bang for the buck knives I have purchased.

After moving on to other folders for some time, I started buying ZT once a local shop started to carry them. They were the first pocket knives I purchased that cracked the $100 mark.

What cooled me on Kershaw was a combination of my changing/evolving taste in knives to the higher end variety and Kershaw's entry level knives going more low end clamshell and ZT moving away from nuke-proof brutes to pocket bling.

Currently, they don't offer anything I would spend my cash on, but I still think they are good knives.

As for social media? Yeah, I really hope within a generation we look back at it and say, "Wow, we really thought that was a good idea?" The ability for people to just let their words fly without inflection, little context, and nearly no consequence can be dangerous. It's an ironic situation where we have never been more connected yet so divided. We have never had more ways to communicate yet use these tools to entrench and attack instead of converse and collaborate. I don't think the technology is inherently bad, the pessimist in me just thinks it exacerbates natural human toxicity.
 
Kershaw was, like many of you, my gateway drug into better pocket knives. Back in the early/mid 2000s, they offered a lot of great knives of interesting designs coming in at the $50-70 range. I really think the Junkyard Dog 2 has been one of the best bang for the buck knives I have purchased.

After moving on to other folders for some time, I started buying ZT once a local shop started to carry them. They were the first pocket knives I purchased that cracked the $100 mark.

What cooled me on Kershaw was a combination of my changing/evolving taste in knives to the higher end variety and Kershaw's entry level knives going more low end clamshell and ZT moving away from nuke-proof brutes to pocket bling.

Currently, they don't offer anything I would spend my cash on, but I still think they are good knives.

As for social media? Yeah, I really hope within a generation we look back at it and say, "Wow, we really thought that was a good idea?" The ability for people to just let their words fly without inflection, little context, and nearly no consequence can be dangerous. It's an ironic situation where we have never been more connected yet so divided. We have never had more ways to communicate yet use these tools to entrench and attack instead of converse and collaborate. I don't think the technology is inherently bad, the pessimist in me just thinks it exacerbates natural human toxicity.
I agree. It has always and still continues to amaze me that people seem to be the ugliest on facebook, which is the only platform that is tied directly with your name. I'd think that if people were going to act all crazy, they'd do it on one of the other platforms that is anonymous to your personal info. But anyways, I digress and wont talk about social media anymore.

I was planning to carry my Avalanche today but I remembered that it needs a little touch up and my Bugout needs some more breaking in so I have that.
 
My buddy and I were talking about starting our own side business. One of the things he told me was that I was in no way ever allowed to interact with the public 🤣

So I totally get losing your cool over a bunch of whiny, entitled people bothering you. Shoot, I even messaged him with something stupid once and he took the time to explain why it was designed that way and the process behind it. He also sent me a ZT for my wedding day, had it in my pocket when I got married.

I think he's a solid dude with a lot of passion for his work. But not everyone is cut out to be customer service racing all the time, I know I'm not.
 
Maybe the blame for that lies with Walmart and Dick’s, not Kershaw. They have no interest in stocking American made products and Kershaw is responding to the market. In the corporate world today there really isn’t any room for silly things like principles or patriotism😔 They really don’t care where a product is made, only how much it cost, and apparently most of us agree.

And, the Leek is a great bargain for an American made knife!

Absolutely I agree that the lack of American made knives on Walmarts shelves is not kershaw’s fault, just that it’s unfortunate to see. Even at higher prices, $50-$80 buys you a lot of knife for one of Kershaw’s American staples like the blur, and I’m genuinely just surprised not to see them selling the way they used to at stores like that. They’ll have a cryo up for $40+ and a few bucks like the 110 and 112 up for $60+ but barely any American kershaw’s. Just an observation, but clearly a trend we’re seeing throughout the knife market. Just makes me appreciate the classics even more
 
Kershaw was a gateway brand for me. The Clash got me excited about knives, and kicked off my hoardi....errrr....collecting of knives.

They play with new designs, different alloys, and locks.

Nowadays it seems like they are cooling, and promoting inexpensive folders made from baseline materials.

I could be way off here, I'm sorta shooting from my gut feeling.

Are they losing us as knife enthusiasts?

They have the entire ZT product line aimed at knife enthusiasts. That allows Kershaw to keep marketing the budget friendly stuff, with some neat things here and there.

I think they are still high up there as a value leader, even with the influx of good Chinese brands like Civivi, Kizer, etc.
 
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I too started off buying US made Kershaws back when you could still find them in box stores. I wasn't on the net then and didn't even know BF existed. I never was a huge Onion design fan, although I've had my share. I've also had a few ZT, but frame locks are not really my thing and they moved along. Recently, I've actually seen a few newer designs from Kershaw that I would have jumped on if not for their origin of manufacture or blade steel, or both. I am not strictly opposed to Chinese manufacturing, but I prefer to buy from a Chinese company in the rare instances that I do. Something about a US company having knives made in China turns me off. I know its not logical, but there it is. I would like to see Kershaw make some of their China models in Taiwan, as I have no problem with that for some reason. Of course, Id love for them to make everything in the US, but that is not going to happen.
 
For no particular reason, my whole Kershaw collection, all purchased within the last three months. I still love ‘em all, for various reasons. I totally get why you longer-term collectors and enthusiasts may have cooled on the brand - if I’d been collecting for years and years before this, I can’t honestly say how many of these would have ended up in my drawer. I can say that I don’t intend on spending many hundreds of dollars on any one knife, so there’s still a very good chance that something in Kershaw’s offerings would eventually have gotten my interest. I’m not saying you guys are wrong. I’m just saying that for other people like me just getting into this craziness, Kershaw has a lot to offer for all kinds of tastes at very reasonable prices. I have no doubt that they’ve got stuff in the pipeline that will have seasoned collectors and noobs alike giving a second look - that day just isn’t today.

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I've often felt the losing Ken Onion as a collaborator was a detriment to both Ken and Kershaw. Ken Onions designs (and Brian Tighe's for that matter) are wasted with a company like CRKT. The Onion designs pretty much launched ZT.

I also feel Kershaw has invested too much in the Chinese manufactured models. Investing as in too much money spent on the collaborations as well as offering too large a variety of models. They should have done like Spyderco--offer a few Chinese budget models, but mostly Japan/US/Taiwan.

Personally, I'd like to see a restructuring of the company:

ZT: Overbuilt tanks like they originally were
Kershaw: Broad spectrum of budget and higher end (basically take over much of the ZT line)
Launch: Have it become its own brand
 
That knife was a marvel, I wish I had one.

The last time Kershaw tried to stretch their talents was the 4040 Ruby. By all accounts it wasn’t well received and Kershaw hasn’t tried to flex since then. Mine sits in a knife bag, unused. It’s an ugly, garish knife despite premium materials and high manufacturing standards.

They haven’t really tried since then.

Oh yeah, I remember when that dropped. It was right in the middle of the "Release a new ZT LE Hinderer Exclipse in a different color anno and blade shape every other week" situation they had going on for awhile there. The Ruby was just...it wasn't great. All the ad copy on the knife simply killed it.
 
I miss the Kershaw April fools jokes too. I loved the tactical tiara.

I wish I would have been a "collector" when the Tilt was around. I would love it and use it.
 
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