Is Kershaw second rate?

just got a ET-
very happy with its build and quality -solid feel for me is a big thing,and its got that-

not sure if anyone has any idea yet about blade steel quality since its a newer one as far as i can tell-but it has a good rep as a surgical steel

if i wasnt afraid of it getting full of masonary dust from work it would be my main knife-but i dont want to take it apart and clean it with that many pivot points-
 
I've got an echo that I love my vapor is my edc and I've got a blackout that I carry from time to time. I'd have more kershaw blades if I had more money. You gotta remember that there are alot of people that balk at the idea of spending 50.00 or more for a knife thats why benchmade came out with its red class line and spyderco came out with the byrd line so they could expand thier customer base. There are more people that buy 30.00 buck 110's then there are that buy sebenzas and striders........
 
Thomas W said:
In case you had yet not heard, Kershaw has recently produced in limited quantities of a couple of G-10 (one even 3-D machined), S30V Leeks, and there will be a high end version in our 2006 line-up as well.

I had not heard this, now I have:D
 
Thomas W said:
In case you had yet not heard, Kershaw has recently produced in limited quantities of a couple of G-10 (one even 3-D machined), S30V Leeks, and there will be a high end version in our 2006 line-up as wel.
Well, where were these produced for?:D
 
Thomas, maybe 2006 will be the year that you guys make a knife that I just have to have. MIM technology looks very interesting.

By the way, I would love to see more input from you on BladeForums. A forum of your own here would be good for you and for BladeForums as well.
 
I have 2 Kershaw's, a Chive and a Leek. Both came really sharp from the factory. My problem with the Chive is it is too small for me to really use. The Leek on the other hand rides really nice in the pocket, it's slim and razor sharp!

I think for most day to day use the steel found in common knives is just fine for what most of us use an EDC knife for.

The bottom line for me is I'm not willing to pay premium prices for premium steel that is probably marginally better than 1095, AUS8, or 420HC.

On the other hand I don't abuse my knives by using them to cut wire, tighten screws, or hammer through logs, but hey if your kick is seeing how much abuse your knife will take...good on ya!

For you guys that are on the S30V or INFI bandwagon, I'd be curious to know what types of chores you routinely use you knives for?
 
Thomas W- That is great news. I am personally very happy with the 440A Leek (it is my main EDC knife and doesn't see hard use), and I would prefer to spend my money on a totally new Kershaw model (I mean a model I do not have such as a Spec Bump) rather than another Leek. But I think an S30V Leek will be great for Kershaw. The Leek is already a very respected and beloved model, and I think an S30V version will go a long way towards ridding the public of the impression that Kershaw isn't first rate.

The Spec Bump and E.T. are on my "to buy" list, but because I am going to make an order for a Sebenza, SERE2K, Manix, Skirmish, and Griptilian next week, it will be a while before I can buy them (the 2 Kershaws). If you guys bring out some exciting new high-end models before then, I might have to change my list around. If you release anything I'd rather have than a Spec Bump, then you are topping yourself and doing things very right.

Redhat said:
I think for most day to day use the steel found in common knives is just fine for what most of us use an EDC knife for.
I agree. I didn't mean to sound like a steel snob in my post (not that there is anything wrong with being a steel snob). It is just that a lot of people on this forum are steel snobs (again, that isn't a bad thing), and Kershaw is less preferred to them than some other brands.

My Leek is my main EDC knife (though I mix it up *A LOT*). My knives only see light use, so the superior edge retention of S30V isn't a huge deal to me, though the lower price of 440A as well as the better stain resistance is pretty nice. The Leek is a great EDC knife because of the sleek, elegant design that rides well in the pocket, because it is fun to use, and because it is "enough" for EDC chores, and not overbuilt resulting in a higher price. The lower price allows it to make its way into more pockets.

That said, I am getting into higher-end knives and may be leaving my Leek at home soon for a Sebenza, Skirmish, SERE2K etc... So some new high-end Kershaw products would make sure Kershaw gets some pocket time with me. I do think the Spec Bump and Nakamura are high-end, but more variety would help. I also think a wider variety of high-end models would make Kershaw appear more high-end and less like their focus is on people that buy knives at Wal*Mart (and there is nothing wrong with that either- I got my Leek at Wal*Mart). Much of public perception of quality isn't based on how good the best model is, but how many of their models are high-end versus low-end.

There are a lot of Kershaw fans here, but there are more BM and Spyderco fans here. That isn't because any company is better than the next as a matter of fact, but because a lot of the people here tend to buy knives in the $100-400 range and like modern super steels. Kershaw simply doesn't offer as many knives in this class as brands like Spyderco (though Spyderco is probably the closest to Kershaw in terms of price and how much of their model line is cheap versus expensive), Benchmade, MOD, Cold Steel, Emerson, etc...

Ford's supercar (Ford GT) may destroy any closely priced Ferrari or Porsche around a race track (including much more expensive ones)... in fact, it does! But Ford doesn't make many supercars, and Ferrari and Porsche do. So in the public's perception, Ferrari and Porsche are more "first rate". Porsche and Ferrari also make some more expensive and even faster cars. They may be 5 times more expensive than the Ford GT, and only a tiny bit better, but the public sees them as much more high-end, and that makes the company look good.

99.99% of people may not notice the different between 440A and S30V for EDC, but it's a matter of perception.
 
Back in the 80's I had a 1050 folding hunter that was as solid as a rock. Alas, the movers stole it along with several other good knives. I'd buy another if they'd switch to a better steel than AUS-8 (considering the price point they sell at).
 
Hopefully you'll do it more often :thumbup:

When I read the thread topic I kinda chuckled a bit, as my 'rosary' these days seems to be one of the framelock Vapor 1640ST models, had it hand as I was scanning the forums in fact...

Sal, God bless him, makes a great knife, I've had dozens, and still probably have a dozen left; like Kershaw's, they always make great gifts whether used or new...

As far as Kershaw goes however, I think my lovely wife has all the Leek versions made so far, so that's good news about another one coming along too...hopefully it'll be a framelock ;)

Talking with K.O. at the last Oregon show, or possibly the one before, I mentioned that I really liked the Assisted Opening feature of the Leek, but prefered the blade shape of Vapor, or similar...

Ken suggested at the time (paraphrased) that I may want to mention that to the folks at Kershaw, as they always seemed to be willing to try new models and designs while listening to their customers...

Mr. Welk, I hope you enjoy the rest of your vacation, just as I hope you'll consider a minor blade shape modification to your Leek model when you get back...make something other than a Wharncliffe and I'd likely be all over it in a flash...

Do I buy a lot of knives? Sure, at least one a week for the last seven years...where do they go? Gift's usually, the simple joy of giving away a fine knife...

Hopefully then, you'll continue to make fine knives at a reasonable price; listen to your customers; help me spend my money on your products; and make a lot of other folks happy in the process...

So folks, are Kershaw knives 'second rate?' Nah, they are what they are, inexpensive 'using' knives...besides, they don't break often, and they cut to beat the band...:thumbup:

Of course, as always, YMMV...

Shel
 
i dont think they are second rate at all, the analogy about ford vs ferarri is a good one.
i would have bought a leek for my edc, but im very hard on my knife and needed better edge retention, so i ended up with a native, but i might be willing to get a second knife if i can get an s30v leek.

the kershaw kitchen knives seem top notch too, just waiting till i can afford a set to replace my current ones.
 
Thomas W, this is truly good news! Thank you for taking time out of your vacation for us! I would like to hear from you again. I love my Kershaws and look forward to your future posts.
 
I'm a pretty picky bastard, and collect mainly customs, but the Bump I got a few months ago is near custom quality, and better than some customs I have seen at much higher prices. At a street price of about $165, the Bump is a heck of a framelock. Not quite Sebenza level, but not as far as I would have thought.
 
I would like to add that I have other brands than Kershaw, such as a BM 600 Combat Talon in ATS 34 (that I carried for about 8 years), I've also had a couple of Spyderco's (pocket clip kept loosening so I gave it away...very sharp though)
 
Thomas,

Sometimes all it takes to turn someone towards your product is a representative like yourself that takes some time and talks with others here in the forum.

Nice post by the way. Good useful info that I didn't know. :thumbup:
 
Thomas W said:
H everyone! My name is Thomas Welk, and I am the Sales Manager of Kershaw Knives, Kai USA.

I hope you don't mind me taking a few moments from my vacation to interject on this thread.

First I appreciate this forum and the knowledge it brings forth to all that are involved. In an effort to keep speculation accurate, I thought it was important to fill in some blanks concerning Kershaw Knives.

Hair, I really liked your analogy concerning Kershaw vs. Spyderco/BM. It is interesting to see constant posts on this and other forums (not just about knives), about which is “better” or the “best”. I tend avoid those types of threads, as they do become quite subjective, and turn into flame wars on occasion.
In case you had yet not heard, Kershaw has recently produced in limited quantities of a couple of G-10 (one even 3-D machined), S30V Leeks, and there will be a high end version in our 2006 line-up as well.

Esav Benyamin, I also believe Kershaw’s reputation would benefit from a forum, we will see what the future holds. Ken’s schedule would prohibit him from being a moderator, but it would be fun to see him as one.

As for some Kershaw highlights:

Kershaw is owned by the Kai Corporation located in Seki Japan. We also own our own facilities in multiple locations overseas.
Kershaw makes 70% of our products here in the USA. at our facility in Tualatin Oregon.
Shun is the trademarked name for our kitchen knives.

We here at Kershaw Knives really try to produce a line of knives that meet all ends of the retail spectrum. From our high end MIM technology, to collaborating with the great makers like Ken and others, to working on a joint venture with the talented folks at Spyderco, to creating $28 street value USA made frame locks (Storm), we do push in making something of quality for everyone.
2005 was a tremendous year for us, as we did win 4 Blade Show awards (1 shared with our collaboration with Spyderco), with most being high end products. We hear the steel “junkies”, and I think you will see more upper tier USA made products being produced by Kershaw for 2006 and beyond. We do really try to keep everyone happy, and satisfied.

It is comforting to know that the knife industry as a whole has produced knives in so many “flavors” that there is at least one for everybody, hopefully more.

Thanks for the time guys and gals. Happy New Year.

I'm...gonna go out on a limb and get some hate buuut...your stuff is 70% made in the U.S.A?? you see that's the problem stuff made here is 70% s**t sorry but the only knife company I can see doing good in the U.S. is Spyderco,any GREAT knives are made in Seki city :D then it's a tie between here and Taiwan.

Sorry but there was a big "made in the good 'ol U.S.A." push in the 90's that to me ment "stay away" 'cos it's crap,most of the U.S. made Buck knives I bought then were and are el crapo,my first knife in the 80's was a Buck...which made me never get any made by a company here 'till my Spyderco Endura in '97 and that was because it said "made in Japan" on the back.

Thankfully knives made here today are better,I just got another Buck a Rush and it's nice;I like the Leek and may get one too :D but my edc's are still gonna be two Salt 1's :D and prob a Vic Soilder.

And I like to shop at Wal-Mart :D
 
I just love my Shuns, the Kershaw Blur is superb and my all time favorite is the Ramdom Task. Kershaw is a top-shelf Company and Ken Onion is a master.

Some like Kershaw, some love them, some hate them

Go figure...................................
 
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