Is S35vn worth waiting for?

Danbo said:
Pretty sure there's a lot of people out there that would disagree.
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Oh I know some have had issues for various reasons, that is the reason why I pointed out HT.

I have worked my S30V blades pretty hard (Harder than most) lets say and haven't really had any chipping or brittleness problems.

Most of the problems can be directly related to HT issues, properly HTed S30V is excellent steel.
 
Reeek said:
Indeed ;)
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Yeah I am just pointing out to some that they shouldn't expect any miracles from S35VN and they will be happier.

Just because it's a new steel doesn't mean it's going to blow the doors of S30V.

S35VN has less carbide content than S30V so if anything it might perform less edge retention wise if one wants to split hairs on performance. ;)

I doubt people will see the difference in daily use between them.
 
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So are you saying the only reason a manufacturer like CRK is moving to S35VN is because of lower costs in terms of machining and polishing?

I ask because I am wanting to purchase an umnumzaan. They are available with S30V, but I will have to wait until almost autumn to get one with S35VN.
 
merlinus said:
So are you saying the only reason a manufacturer like CRK is moving to S35VN is because of lower costs in terms of machining and polishing?

I ask because I am wanting to purchase an umnumzaan. They are available with S30V, but I will have to wait until almost autumn to get one with S35VN.
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What I am saying is that S35VN is easier to work with than S30V to make knife blades out of, that's why it was developed.

Takes a better finish and is easier to grind than S30V and likely easier to HT.

S35VN is a lateral change from S30V.
 
Check out the Gossman knives forum, Scott was very impressed with it on his UNK model. I have a CRK Nyala, I like it. I am looking forward to the Spyderco Native 5, with S35VN steel. I believe that CRK is going to switch from S30V to S35VN on most of their models.
 
Ankerson said:
Like I said, you won't be able to tell the difference in performance between them, they are too close.

So if you want S35VN because you think it will perform better then you will be surprised when it doesn't, given equal HT, hardness and tempering.

The improvements were to make it easier to work with and finish, not to improve the performance.
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Ankerson said:
What I am saying is that S35VN is easier to work with than S30V to make knife blades out of, that's why it was developed.

Takes a better finish and is easier to grind than S30V and likely easier to HT.

S35VN is a lateral change from S30V.
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With all due respect, Is this the rumor mill speaking, or do you have any real toolroom or metal-finishing experience to back this up? I have worked in metal finishing and in a toolroom, and these statements make no sense to me. So... If you'd (kindly) point me in the direction where I might find this info corroborated or validated, I'd appreciate it. Until then this 'easier to grind' aspect along with the 'it takes a better finish', (to me) sounds like mis-information... however well-intended it might be. Or, then again... maybe I'm just missing something. I'd love to be corrected here. Whaddaya got?
 
RobME said:
With all due respect, Is this the rumor mill speaking, or do you have any real toolroom or metal-finishing experience to back this up? I have worked in metal finishing and in a toolroom, and these statements make no sense to me. So... If you'd (kindly) point me in the direction where I might find this info corroborated or validated, I'd appreciate it. Until then this 'easier to grind' aspect along with the 'it takes a better finish', (to me) sounds like mis-information... however well-intended it might be. Or, then again... maybe I'm just missing something. I'd love to be corrected here. Whaddaya got?
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Search google for S35VN, and Crucible's data sheet for it is on the first page, which says precisely what he's saying, that it was meant for some more toughness and better machinability.
 
RobME said:
With all due respect, Is this the rumor mill speaking, or do you have any real toolroom or metal-finishing experience to back this up? I have worked in metal finishing and in a toolroom, and these statements make no sense to me. So... If you'd (kindly) point me in the direction where I might find this info corroborated or validated, I'd appreciate it. Until then this 'easier to grind' aspect along with the 'it takes a better finish', (to me) sounds like mis-information... however well-intended it might be. Or, then again... maybe I'm just missing something. I'd love to be corrected here. Whaddaya got?
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Plus, when it comes to steels, ANKERSON knows his stuff. If he says something, 99% of the time he is right.
 
S35VN would be pretty good with a custom HT. Extra toughness should also mean custom makers can push it harder without brittleness. As for toughness in a hard use knife, I have yet to see anyone break the S30V blade in a ZT 0301, so I'm not sure if that's an issue. S30V with a Bos HT wouldn't chip unless I cut dirt with it for a couple of weeks, so I'm not sure how much toughness people need. I still don't think it's tough enough to use in a sword, and I have this feeling that Elmax would still be tougher.
 
RobME said:
With all due respect, Is this the rumor mill speaking, or do you have any real toolroom or metal-finishing experience to back this up? I have worked in metal finishing and in a toolroom, and these statements make no sense to me. So... If you'd (kindly) point me in the direction where I might find this info corroborated or validated, I'd appreciate it. Until then this 'easier to grind' aspect along with the 'it takes a better finish', (to me) sounds like mis-information... however well-intended it might be. Or, then again... maybe I'm just missing something. I'd love to be corrected here. Whaddaya got?
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Data sheet is available online. ;)

I wouldn't post it if I didn't know it was correct....

I don't do BS and smoke screens, I say what I can...... What I don't know I don't talk about.

http://www.crucible.com/PDFs/\DataSheets2010\dsS35VNrev12010.pdf

All the info is right there on the data sheet..... Everything, edge retention, toughness, impact testing..... It's all there.

If you don't believe that PM Chris Reeve and he will tell you I am sure since he had 1st hand involvement in the development of S35VN so he should know something about it.
 
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Ankerson said:
Data sheet is available online. ;)

I wouldn't post it if I didn't know it was correct....

I don't do BS and smoke screens, I say what I can...... What I don't know I don't talk about.

http://www.crucible.com/PDFs/\DataSheets2010\dsS35VNrev12010.pdf

All the info is right there on the data sheet..... Everything, edge retention, toughness, impact testing..... It's all there.

If you don't believe that PM Chris Reeve and he will tell you I am sure since he had 1st hand involvement in the development of S35VN so he should know something about it.
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In this case, the rumor mill and the truth mill share the same address ;)
 
This is why I upgraded my custom knife to Elmax. There's a steel that you can tell a difference with. I almost jumped on the s35vn band wagon until I researched it a lot more and came to the same conclusion as Ankerson.
 
harkamus said:
This is why I upgraded my custom knife to Elmax. There's a steel that you can tell a difference with. I almost jumped on the s35vn band wagon until I researched it a lot more and came to the same conclusion as Ankerson.
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Way to go there. :)

Between those two you made the right choice for sure. :D

I have a feeling ELMAX is going to show up in a lot more knives in the future, it's really that good.
 
Ankerson said:
Way to go there. :)

Between those two you made the right choice for sure. :D

I have a feeling ELMAX is going to show up in a lot more knives in the future, it's really that good.
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Indeed, that 3rd generation PM technology really makes the steel stick out among stainless steels. Given the way it compares with S30V and S90V, it almost feels like what should be large chunks of chromium carbides in Elmax/M390 are actually smaller than the chunks of vanadium carbides in the SXXV series. I say "chunks" because those carbides will never be evenly distributed throughout the matrix as individual molecules evenly spaced apart. It just seems like 3rd gen PM does to 1st gen PM what the CPM process does compared to non-PM steels.

It just makes me all the more excited to get my hands on Vanax 75 and have that one finished to sub-micron levels.
 
Noctis3880 said:
Indeed, that 3rd generation PM technology really makes the steel stick out among stainless steels. Given the way it compares with S30V and S90V, it almost feels like what should be large chunks of chromium carbides in Elmax/M390 are actually smaller than the chunks of vanadium carbides in the SXXV series. I say "chunks" because those carbides will never be evenly distributed throughout the matrix as individual molecules evenly spaced apart. It just seems like 3rd gen PM does to 1st gen PM what the CPM process does compared to non-PM steels.

It just makes me all the more excited to get my hands on Vanax 75 and have that one finished to sub-micron levels.
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We are in the heyday in the knife industry now I think with the best steels that have ever been available and they just keep getting better and more widely available as more companies pick them up. :thumbup:

We are living in great times right now in the knife industry. :D
 
Ankerson said:
We are in the heyday in the knife industry now I think with the best steels that have ever been available and they just keep getting better and more widely available as more companies pick them up. :thumbup:

We are living in great times right now in the knife industry. :D
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My wallet disagrees:D.
 
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