Is Sebenza the Best?

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I can't believe anyone puts any weight into destruction knife tests done by someone wearing a hockey mask on you tube... heck , maybe we should all just use what Jason used in the Friday the 13th flicks...he was testing edged stuff long before noss4....and on the big tube AND in 3D ! ;)
 
James0723 said:
I think Chris Reeve knives are overpriced and overhyped now that I've seen noss4's test of a Chris Reeve Green Beret on youtube. A D2 Ka-Bar that cost less than half the price outperformed it.

Granted the Green Beret is a Chris Reeve fixed blade, not a folding like the Sebenza, but I still think that test reflects a little bit on all his knives.
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Granted that test was a valid test for those 2 knives, but that's got nothing to do with the current discussion at hand. ;)

We are talking about CRK folding knives here, not his fixed blades.

His Folding knives are outstanding, I know even though I don't personaly own one, I prefer Strider myself, but yes they are great knives from what I have seen and used.
 
John T Wylie Jr said:
I can't believe anyone puts any weight into destruction knife tests done by someone wearing a hockey mask on you tube... heck , maybe we should all just use what Jason used in the Friday the 13th flicks...he was testing edged stuff long before noss4....and on the big tube AND in 3D ! ;)
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Me either, but I gave up on that issue. I could never even get through one of his so called test because of that silly hockey mask.

But even to the ones that watch(and believe) his so called test...what would a CRK fixed blade have a thing to do with a sebenza folder???

The OP did ask about a Sebenza.
 
Ken44 said:
Me either, but I gave up on that issue. I could never even get through one of his so called test because of that silly hockey mask.
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If someone is doing knife tests don't you think they need to protect their face from bits of steel, metal, and wood that might fly up?

For anyone who hasn't seen the video in question here's the URL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THD8gfltq2o

go to the five minute mark.

He's not hitting on it with a "sledgehammer", he's using a one-handed mallet on the spine to hammer out chunks of wood.

The Green Beret also doesn't get good penetration on the sheet metal test and the tip breaks off. The D2 Ka-Bar's tip breaks off on the sheet metal test too but it penetrates much further into the metal which contributes to the tip breaking.

Noss mentions that the Green Beret is only one of two knives that have failed the hammering out chunks of wood test.

Watch the video, do you think this is staged and that he made a fake Green Beret knife just to make CRK look bad for some reason? The facts speak for themselves.

Yes I know it's a fixed blade, but it's still CRK. I believe any knife someone creates reflects some on the overall quality of that person's work.

Justify? Do you think if I didn't like my first CRK (a Mnandi), I would have bought 8 more, plus a small and a large Sebenza, plus a Shadow IV? Just to justify that first one?
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I think if you buy that many you must have a ton of money and need not be concerned with the value you're getting or what the "best" knife is since you can just buy an infinite number of knives. If you don't buy the best knife it's no big deal to you because you can just buy another one. For those of of us who might only have the money to get one or two high-end knives it's much more important for us to try and see through the hype and investigate the knives a little bit more.
 
James0723 said:
If someone is doing knife tests don't you think they need to protect their face from bits of steel, metal, and wood that might fly up?

For anyone who hasn't seen the video in question here's the URL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THD8gfltq2o

go to the five minute mark.

He's not hitting on it with a "sledgehammer", he's using a one-handed mallet on the spine to hammer out chunks of wood.

The Green Beret also doesn't get good penetration on the sheet metal test and the tip breaks off. The D2 Ka-Bar's tip breaks off on the sheet metal test too but it penetrates much further into the metal which contributes to the tip breaking.

Noss mentions that the Green Beret is only one of two knives that have failed the hammering out chunks of wood test.

Watch the video, do you think this is staged and that he made a fake Green Beret knife just to make CRK look bad for some reason? The facts speak for themselves.

Yes I know it's a fixed blade, but it's still CRK. I believe any knife someone creates reflects some on the overall quality of that person's work.



I think if you buy that many you must have a ton of money and need not be concerned with the value you're getting or what the "best" knife is since you can just buy an infinite number of knives. If you don't buy the best knife it's no big deal to you because you can just buy another one. For those of of us who might only have the money to get one or two high-end knives it's much more important for us to try and see through the hype and investigate the knives a little bit more.
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It's obvious you're just as biased, if not more so, than any CRK lover. If people defend the Sebenza, they're just justifying a pricey knife. If they like it so much they buy more, they're just so rich they have no way to gauge value.

I'm not asking for opinions from people who's closest encounter with the knife is watching a video of a knife from the same maker being broken with a hammer.
 
James0723 said:
I think if you buy that many you must have a ton of money and need not be concerned with the value you're getting or what the "best" knife is since you can just buy an infinite number of knives. If you don't buy the best knife it's no big deal to you because you can just buy another one. For those of of us who might only have the money to get one or two high-end knives it's much more important for us to try and see through the hype and investigate the knives a little bit more.
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:rolleyes:

Yes, if I don't buy the best knife, I just buy another one... and another... and another...

;)

Kind regards,

Jos
 
Brutus013 said:
I'm not asking for opinions from people who's closest encounter with the knife is watching a video of a knife from the same maker being broken with a hammer.
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It's not just "being broken with a hammer", it's being put through a test which several other fixed blades are put through with no problem, and it fails.
 
James0723 said:
It's not just "being broken with a hammer", it's being put through a test which several other fixed blades are put through with no problem, and it fails.
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Strangely, I don't care. Maybe it's because the topic of discussion is a completely different knife? I don't care about the destruction test. Stop talking about it.
 
You know a thread has run it's course when the troll attempts start. I'm sure the OP has had his questions answered. Probably a good time to close the thread.
 
Brutus013 said:
Strangely, I don't care. Maybe it's because the topic of discussion is a completely different knife? I don't care about the destruction test. Stop talking about it.
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Look, did you just start this thread to have people convince you to buy a Sebenza? If not, then you should welcome my comments. Maybe I am as biased as them, but both of our biases together will combine to form a more well-rounded view.

The knife tested is one made by the same maker. You have to think, if CRK is charging $300 for a knife that gets outperformed by a $100 Ka-Bar that they're probably overcharging for their other knives too. Any knife a person makes reflects a little bit on their overall work. Sure the Green Beret test reflects mostly on that particular model, but it also reflects a little on the rest of Chris Reeve's knives and his entire business.
 
I think it has been covered well, but a Sebenza must be held to appreciate the quality.

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James0723 said:
Does noss4 has some high-tech special effects editing lab? Anyone can go watch the tests and see for themselves. The knives are put through the same exact tasks, when the Green Beret is hammered through a 2x4 it snaps in half. The D2 Ka-Bar not only doesn't snap but maintains a sharp cutting edge.

As for the scores of CRK owners, I think they're a little bit biased. The argument has been made before, but I believe it's valid - when you spend that much on a knife you look for reasons to justify it, ways in which the knife is "superior", you have lost your objectivity at that point.
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first of all, no one is denying that the gb broke, and with less effort than other knives.

there are plenty of people who have owned sebenzas and didn't like them. but the salient point is they actually OWNED one, or several, crk products and base their opinions on their own experiences.

maybe you're just upset that you can't afford one, and many others can. either way, none of your posts contain any relevant or new information.
 
James0723 said:
Look, did you just start this thread to have people convince you to buy a Sebenza? If not, then you should welcome my comments. Maybe I am as biased as them, but both of our biases together will combine to form a more well-rounded view.

The knife tested is one made by the same maker. You have to think, if CRK is charging $300 for a knife that gets outperformed by a $100 Ka-Bar that they're probably overcharging for their other knives too. Any knife a person makes reflects a little bit on their overall work. Sure the Green Beret test reflects mostly on that particular model, but it also reflects a little on the rest of Chris Reeve's knives and his entire business.
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how could you possibly know this never having owned any crk product?
 
James0723 said:
Yes I know it's a fixed blade, but it's still CRK. I believe any knife someone creates reflects some on the overall quality of that person's work.
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Right ...and after Chevy made the Chevette that had so much negative impact on Corvette buyers... :barf:

The Sebenza may not be the best & be all end all of production folders , but it would more than likely make many knife folks top 5 production knives list.

I found the mechanics and construction extremely well done , the ergos just didn't sit well enough for me to fall in love with it. With some small subtle changes to it , I could see it taking up residence in my user rotation again.

The quality of the seb stands on it's own. Personally I would prefer a less blocky feel to it , some contoured (rounded) scales would really kick it up a notch in comfort for me.

So , sorry James0723 , you can argue the ergo's of it aren't for everyone , or the design might not be for everyone , but you can't dispute the durability of the Seb , the proof is already out there in the # of users.
 
okbohn said:
I think it has been covered well, but a Sebenza must be held to appreciate the quality.

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People say the same thing about Sypdercos:

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Spyderco Sage, same materials as the Sebenza, framelock like the Sebenza, a third of the price.
 
In other words, -- you're agreeing it has to be held to be appreciated. Have you held one? Have you used one?

I get so tired of the trolling on this subject. The less trolls know, the louder they know it. We do not need any further off-topic hijacking of this Sebenza thread.
 
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