Is there a reason why the Delica can't have a finger choil for the index finger?

I think some knives are ok with it, and some are ok without it. I don't mind going without on my Delica; however, if I need, I can put my index finger in the notch between the ricasso and the handle, and it works well enough. I can't imagine the PM2 or Dragonfly without one though, especially the Dragonfly. It really helps to lock your hand in on that little handle.
 
I don't like finger choils like say on an esee 6. But I love the configuration that a pm2 has. That choil really takes nothing away from the cutting edge as they managed to use real estate on the handle as well as the ricasso to make it happen.
I think both the delica and endura could benefit from this and lose no cutting edge in the process
 
Personally, I like knives both with and without a choil. I just wish the cutting edge was closer to the grip on the delica. The way they angled the edge back from the spydie hole on the mantra is very nice. On the current delica, there is enough space between the index finger and the start of the blade to add a choil with no loss in cutting edge (as shown by speedholes' picture). But, I would rather have the additional cutting edge one the delica. That is the only thing I dislike about my delica. That "wasted" space bothers me.
 
timbo813 said:
Personally, I like knives both with and without a choil. I just wish the cutting edge was closer to the grip on the delica. The way they angled the edge back from the spydie hole on the mantra is very nice. On the current delica, there is enough space between the index finger and the start of the blade to add a choil with no loss in cutting edge (as shown by speedholes' picture). But, I would rather have the additional cutting edge one the delica. That is the only thing I dislike about my delica. That "wasted" space bothers me.
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The mantra is a frame lock and thus has a stop pin (and detent ball) to determine where the closed position is. Backlocks have a kick on the blade that needs to hit near the lockbar pivot when closed. This is why the edge rarely goes all the way to the handle on a lockback.

Here is my opinion on the OP. I like variety and I think that wanting a choil on every knife doesn't make sense. Variety is good for Spyderco's lineup. Almost every knife they design has a choil so I can be happy leaving these alone. :)
 
From the horse's mouth (Eric and Sal on two separate occasions): "The Delicas and Enduras have a guard because the mass market prefer to have that clear 'stop' between the finger and the blade- plus the mass market feedback we've had is that the choil 'loses' too much cutting edge as a percentage of blade length"

Which- to me- sounds like you shouldn't expect to see a Delica with a choil any time soon- The mass market (as opposed to us knife aficionados here and elsewhere) simply isn't 'ready' for the choil on 'normal' knives.....Yet.

There's plenty of choil'd Spydercos in the Delica size range in a variety of lock choice and materials if that's the way your tastes run :)
 
I'm by no means actually requesting a change to the current Delica since I love it as is, but - Imagine if there were a Delica C and a Delica G, two simultaneously available knives to choose from. The "C" having a choil, and the "G" just having the guard, as it currently is. They could possibly share a modular liner/lock set-up to save on costs, and share a revised blade with a mildly curved concave ricasso area. But have their own specific FRN handle.

Obviously it would take some investment on Spydercos part to redesign and retool and get new FRN molds done... but this would put an end to this seemingly endless debate and give us all an option.
I, of course, would just get both, lol!

I bet they wouldn't sell as many "C" versions, but I bet they'd still sell a lot of them!


Probabaly would end up looking a lot like a Meadowlark...


I'd say apply the same to the Endura, too, but I actually don't see much feedback nor requests for a Choil on that as I do the Delica. That one might look similar to the newer G10 Police...
 
DocT said:
I do not like choils and I love the Delica as it is. I have knives with choils. I prefer no choil and a finger guard that allows closer access to the blade if required. One slip in a wet, oily, or bloody environment will prove why.
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I've used the choil on a 204P Para2 and M4 Manix 2 in those type of conditions many times, and never once have I come close to slipping forward unto the blade.

The Manix 2 in particular has so much gimping that with any kind of grip it would be hard to slip off it. The Para2 also feels very secure using the choil.

Para2, Millie, Manix, Manix XL, Stretch GB1. I've noticed that nearly all of my most used Spyderco knives haves choils.

They're not always needed but if doing something that requires a lot of control over the blade, especially the tip, they are hard to beat.
 
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Excellent overall design, with or without a choil, is what I look for. With the Delica (and Endura) I have no problem choking up on the blade the my finger carefully placed in front of the guard for delicate cutting. That's pretty much the way I was trained to hold a chef's knife and they usually don't have a choil.
 
I love the 50/50 choil. But, really, the main reason the Delica doesn't have a choil is simple--it's the Delica.
 
Personally, I don't understand the argument that laymen "aren't ready" for finger choils. What's so intimidating about finger choils that they are only ever accepted with knife "aficionados"? Don't they improve the handling of the blade substantially when getting close and personal with fine carving/slicing? Isn't that a feature everyone would want?
 
not_a_virus.exe said:
Personally, I don't understand the argument that laymen "aren't ready" for finger choils. What's so intimidating about finger choils that they are only ever accepted with knife "aficionados"? Don't they improve the handling of the blade substantially when getting close and personal with fine carving/slicing? Isn't that a feature everyone would want?
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I'm not too sure either, but just a guess is that it simply looks abnormal from the stereotypical common "knife shape", with a guard, so that alone may detract from interest to the mass market. This may be what is meant by saying they aren't ready for it.
Also, the idea and concept of getting your index finger right next to the blade may seem foreign, intimidating, or dangerous, to some non-knife-afis that make up a majority of the mass market. Cannot deny that a lot of people make purchasing decisions based more on a quick glance of shape, rather than utility.

Again, just a guess. I'm fairly certain it is NOT meant as a put down or an insult at all, so people shouldn't quote it and twist it in that manner. :)
 
SpeedHoles said:
I'm not too sure either, but just a guess is that it simply looks abnormal from the stereotypical common "knife shape", with a guard, so that alone may detract from interest to the mass market. This may be what is meant by saying they aren't ready for it.
Also, the idea and concept of getting your index finger right next to the blade may seem foreign, intimidating, or dangerous, to some non-knife-afis that make up a majority of the mass market. Cannot deny that a lot of people make purchasing decisions based more on a quick glance of shape, rather than utility.

Again, just a guess. I'm fairly certain it is NOT meant as a put down or an insult at all, so people shouldn't quote it and twist it in that manner. :)
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I think most would agree that Spydercos most popular model is the Para2. And whats it got? A choil.

While not as popular as the Para2 or maybe even the Delica, the Manix and Millie are also very popular and what do they also have? A choil.

I guess I don't get the "the mass market doesn't like choils" thing when several of Spydercos most popular knives have choils. Doesn't compute:confused:

The option to buy a Delica with a choil would be cool. Make both available and let the end users decide.
 
ToxicBot11 said:
I think most would agree that Spydercos most popular model is the Para2. And whats it got? A choil.

While not as popular as the Para2 or maybe even the Delica, the Manix and Millie are also very popular and what do they also have? A choil.

I guess I don't get the "the mass market doesn't like choils" thing when several of Spydercos most popular knives have choils. Doesn't compute:confused:

The option to buy a Delica with a choil would be cool. Make both available and let the end users decide.
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Paramilitary 2, Military, and Manix 2 would all be considered in a higher tier than the Delica/Endura, and therefore designed and marketed to a bit different target market.
 
The delica is small enough that an average American male human being doesn't need a choil for 90%+ of tasks, in my experience, having handed my delica to others (not knife enthusiasts) to use
 
not_a_virus.exe said:
In the same way we have them in the Paramilitary 2? It seems like such an easy addition to such a fine blade and would make detail work much more comfortable. I'm not an expert with blade geometry so I don't know if this would cause issues with closing it at all, but if ever there was a delica 5, I would love to see this feature. Jimping on both the thumb ramp and a properly curved finger choil would be awesome.
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Because Caly 3/3.5
 
SpeedHoles said:
The Delica can indeed have a choil if you so desire.
Handles like a smaller and thinner Paramilitary 2.

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This looks awesome
 
ToxicBot11 said:
I think most would agree that Spydercos most popular model is the Para2. And whats it got? A choil.

While not as popular as the Para2 or maybe even the Delica, the Manix and Millie are also very popular and what do they also have? A choil.

I guess I don't get the "the mass market doesn't like choils" thing when several of Spydercos most popular knives have choils. Doesn't compute:confused:

The option to buy a Delica with a choil would be cool. Make both available and let the end users decide.
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I'd be surprised if the Para outsold the Delica .

Ken
 
I oppose it because to do the 50/50 you would lose more gripping area and I laugh at those who create a "need" to "choke up" on a 2.5 ounce knife with a 2.5 inch cutting edge. :D

And suggesting that Spyderco retool and incur tons of added expenses "just to let us decide"...like someone pointed out in another post in different words-this little brand subforum on one hobby discussion forum on the Internet does NOT represent "the market". We are a vocal and focused (but) minuscule section. Granted Spyderco is probably one of the most customer driven large brands out there but I always think it "cute" when someone suggests a new design and 10 or 12 people chime in with "I'd buy one!" or "I'd buy two!". "Okay, so there is 22 supposedly sold...":yawn:
 
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