Is this “new” knife used?

PirateSeulb said:
While I am not defending the practice of selling like new returns as new I will say that it is easy for stock to get mixed up and given the volume that KC seems to operate at and the number of complaints I am not sure it is terribly high. It might be higher than its competitors in this market but seems about on par with someone big retailers.
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Defending or not, this incident shows there is an issue with the QC procedure at the dealer. The said knife had been tried or even maybe used by someone after leaving the factory, so most likely it is a returned item, which should absolutely have been checked carefully by the dealer to decide if it's to be returned to the manufacturer or put back to stock. It is fine to mix returned item with brand new items in the stock so long as they've been checked and no issue found. So the problem here is not mixing up but rather mixing up without checking.
 
I spoke to a rep at knifecenter and they were very helpful. They immediately sent a return label and will be replacing the knife only if they have a perfect replacement knife. Otherwise they will refund 100% of my money. They are stepping up and taking responsibility for the mistake.
 
My main issue with buying from kc is they actively advertise quartermaster and still list it as made in USA despite them being manufactured in China. Most of the other knife stores either discontinued qm or changed country of origin from there online stores.
 
Mo2 said:
My main issue with buying from kc is they actively advertise quartermaster and still list it as made in USA despite them being manufactured in China. Most of the other knife stores either discontinued qm or changed country of origin from there online stores.
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I love knifecenter, they've been great to buy from, but I agree about this. It's probably impossible in most cases for them to truly know where a company's knives are manufactured, as they pretty much have to take the manufacturers at their word and there are lots of manufacturers. With quartermantis, though, it seems pretty clear that they're selling their Chinese knives under false claims that they're made in the USA.

Just the BS from their own marketing should be enough to sink them (e.g. "our sprawling factory complex that is really a house and totally doesn't include a three story museum or level nine clean room or teams of black-ops commando ninjas with frickin lasers" or whatever they're claiming these days).

The sad part is that Chinese knives are widely accepted by knife buyers. Spyderco, Kershaw, CRKT, Buck, etc. sell massive piles of them, and every custom maker and their mother is selling knives they designed but that are built by WE/Kizer/etc. too (e.g. Begg, Terzuola, Liong Mah, Laconico, etc.). Quartermantis doesn't even need to lie . . .
 
Mo2 Mo2 just looked at a handful of vendors only 3 carried that brand and of those 3 none listed the county as China and 2 had the county on all as USA and one had no county on the majority and those with a county had USA. Since they adamantly affirm their knives are USA made any vendor selling them likely has only 2 choices no listing the county or listing it as USA. Mostly off topic there but good to hear they are working with Phil Indablanc Phil Indablanc to resolve his issue.
 
Mo2 said:
My main issue with buying from kc is they actively advertise quartermaster and still list it as made in USA despite them being manufactured in China. Most of the other knife stores either discontinued qm or changed country of origin from there online stores.
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Even worse, their stated position is that they don't have time to check on the truth of these claims. Maybe the FTC could convince them of their legal obligation to do just that.
 
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I don't think it is "worse" that they state they don't have time to validate the country of origin as it is the manufacturer's responsibility to report that. It is unreasonable to expect dealers to research that now if there is enough evidence and/or complaints made and through a given dealer about the origin of a product the best we can hope for any dealer to do is simply omit the origin details or stop carrying a product. The issue with the 2nd option would be the potential loss of customers and revenue if a product has a high enough profitability the business may not want to stop carrying it due to profitability.

I also went and checked some more places carrying that brand and it is about 70% or more still list them as USA and the remaining 30% or less simply list nothing. I completely agree with evilgreg evilgreg that the current market makes the lying fairly pointless. I wonder if they came out from the beginning as Chinese made could they still sell at the current prices?

This is all off topic so we should probably stop or move this discussion to a new thread.
 
Looks like a new knife that someone in the company carried for a while then put back in the box... Kinda like a "demonstrator" automobile.
 
yeah it isnt new. it was manhandled by some disrespectful person who cares nothing about others. this is a pet peeve of mine in society today.

something wrong with some people nowadays. buying an expensive knife playing with it, sharpie attempt, likely flicking open galore probably. maybe even carrying it for a little while and then returning it as unused and new. meanwhile the op gets it and has to deal with return and hassle and knifecenter has to eat it.

if i was knifecenter id figure out who had it just before the op and ban them from buying. some people are terrible customers and just cost businesses and other customers money. as someone has to foot the bill for the waste and cost these people cost a business. they should be blacklisted until they behave.
 
Even if it's truly "new" a lot of the major knife retailers still have to take photos so it's possible that while playing with the piece and taking photos of it they noticed lock stick and they marked it so it wouldn't be noticed in a video? They do pocket shots all the time at BladeHQ so maybe the scratch was from a jean pocket button. Could also be a return and restock where some QC issues slipped past them.
 
My Bradford flipper was amazing right out of the zipper pouch. I got one of his anodized DLC versions though
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Impulse600 said:
My Bradford flipper was amazing right out of the zipper pouch. I got one of his anodized DLC versions though
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Thanks for that info! It makes me feel a little better about trying a second one. Mine also just came in a crappy thin fabric pouch.
 
That's not a "sharpie"; it's machinist ink. It's used for fitting parts. It comes off with basic solvents. I always used red and blue, but black is pretty common.
 
eisman said:
That's not a "sharpie"; it's machinist ink. It's used for fitting parts. It comes off with basic solvents. I always used red and blue, but black is pretty common.
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What is the difference between that and Prussian Blue?
 
eisman said:
That's not a "sharpie"; it's machinist ink. It's used for fitting parts. It comes off with basic solvents. I always used red and blue, but black is pretty common.
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well i learned something new today. thank you Sir.

dumb question why wouldn't the maker clean it prior to sale.....is it normally cleaned off and this one slipped through or normally left on for some reason? thank you.
 
Both my Cattaraugus from Japan were advertised as vintage mint ('new' state in box, never carried, no blemishes, etc.). They have bolster scratches, flat scratches, and even a distinct double scratch smack dab on the shield of the 'Mint' whittler. The whittler has clearly been carried, and carelessly at that. This was my most recent experience with inaccurate descriptions from the top reputable dealers. There have been many, many others. :thumbsdown: Not always 'The Dealer's' fault...

If you look through the threads, another problem going on with modern folders is the destruction during disassembly and the jagoff returns the knife to the dealer for full refund. Unknowingly, the dealer employees put the knife right back in stock to sell to you n I--as new--with stripped screws, lost detent, and so on. Just like with all the losers in the world taking advantage of wally world policies n whatnot, you and I now 'Suffer' the consequences of the actions of broke, seedy people. :mad:

Knife dealers making big policy changes on the horizon. :rolleyes:

Should you be suspicious or enjoy your knife? Well, those are two different things IMHO. I think I already shared my stance on new not actually being new. If your knife is functioning safely, I'd encourage you to enjoy it. If you go the other road, your suspicion will likely grow into frustration.

Happy Memorial Day!
 
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