Is This A Good Blade?

0billie0joe0 said:
Does that mean the same thing as:

Ask the guys at newgraham to really crank down the pivot. You will have to loosen it later though.
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Yes, however I speak a different language to you so you need to take that into account.
 
Well, first off you could have asked me directly because I'm not a monster. I have run 8 websites for the last 3 years selling cutlery.

I'm not here to argue with anyone, lets make that clear.

The knife is made in China from 440 steel, is the steel good quality. Well there is no more US steel, the companies are all gone. Most steel is made in China now and Russia, that is it. What is 440. There are 440A, 440B, 440C, and 440F.
Type 440—a higher grade of cutlery steel, with more carbon in it, which allows for much better edge retention when the steel is heat-treated properly. It can be hardened to around Rockwell 58 hardness, making it one of the hardest stainless steels. Due to its toughness and relatively low cost, most display-only and replica swords or knives are made of 440 stainless. Also known as razor blade steel. Available in four grades: 440A, 440B, 440C, and the uncommon 440F (free machinable). 440A, having the least amount of carbon in it, is the most stain-resistant; 440C, having the most, is the strongest and is usually considered a more desirable choice in knifemaking than 440A except for diving or other salt-water applications.

Make sense. 440 is used by most knife makers period and it all comes from China or Russia because they currently produce it.

The knife construction is cheap plain and simple.
It is a good knife to use to cut cardboard on the cement and not worry about anything because it is not expensive and you don't have to think when abusing it because it is easily replaced.

Would you cut cardboard on concrete with a Kershaw? Not unless you had alot of money to burn and you didn't care about it.

The knife is fine for a cheap and inexpensive model to abuse and not care about, so if your out fishing and it drops in the drink, who cares, if you need to pry something and you bend the blade, who cares. That is the point, it is an inexpensive tool for fishermen and hunters who need a quick release knife to abuse. It is not a high quality made American knife maker who again uses steel made from foreign supplies and assembled in foreign countries most of the time as well.

As for my house for sale guys, yeah my house is for sale, do I still live there, yeah that's my bed in the room when I come in. I live in New York City, Denver, and Glasgow. I have run an import business for 3 years. I am a Scottish citizen and an American citizen. I went to school my whole life in Denver, Colorado. Sure I make some videos for fun.

But that is the way it goes on the internet anywhere, everyone is out to talk crap to one another or about everyone else, pretty stupid. It is a business not a personal investigation about me personally if it is then look me up and all my info is out there for you to look at, my life, my education, my resume, who cares is the point but you guys seem to for some reason.

Do you want to know some known issues with folders from China? Sure the screws come loose on them, you'll need to buy locktight. You should perform knife maintenance on them as well such as lubrication but most people don't do any of that period and should be done with any knife.

That's it, next time I can help you and get you any information that you need all you have to do is ask me.

ASSISTEDKNIFE.COM & ROADSIDEIMPORTS.COM
 
OK, that is why I process cards with Authorize.net, that I am a registered business in the state of Connecticut, my phone number is listed as well. Why would I set up a fake website and be allowed to process? That makes no sense.

The truth is how many of you use PAYPAL. Is that safe? No, why they sublet all financial data to Pakistan. Nice so all your financial data gets looked at from Pakis, who have no extradition treaty to the US when they steal information.

What happens to me if I do something. I go to prison for a felony under mail fraud.

Make any sense, lets use PAYPAL so all your financial details can go to Pakistan, right where Ben Laden lives and operates and support a country who hates Americans and want us all to die a death by beheading.

What ever though, I seem to be the bad guy out there though being an American who falls under US law and sells cutlery using a payment gateway and merchant account.

Do you want some free money? Go and use RevolutionMoneyExchange it is a full bank with FDIC protection ofcourse, it has a banking charter and falls under US law. It was created by Steven Case the founder of AOL. This is the best system for email payments period because it has to follow US banking laws.

Does PAYPAL follow banking laws. NO, they are not a bank, they can take money and do what they please, they can not be sued unless done in California and anyone who took a settlement from the first law suit can not ever sue again.

What is safe and reputable? Name notoriety thats it? So just because everyone has heard of Paypal and that everyone uses it, this makes it safe? That is crazy.

Get real any business who uses Paypal and any person who uses Paypal puts themselves and others at risk period. Do the research.

Revised - I made a mistake. They outsource to India

June 19 2001 - by "Whistle_blower"
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Paypal has outsourced customer service by e-mail to a local firm in New Delhi, India--halfway around the world. Mark Sullivan, the new guy in charge at the Omaha Service Center, was instrumental in setting up the India Customer Service Program. Many US companies have gone to India it gives them access to an educated, motivated workforce at a fragment of the payroll cost in the US. Typically, the role of the overseas service provider is limited to providing information about the product or service. In no instance has any bank or financial institution outsourced any function overseas that involves disclosure or exchange of private information such as data about their customers credit card or bank accounts because it is murky who has jurisdiction over the transaction and which laws would govern. [Others] established their customer service center in South Dakota rather than overseas for this very reason. THE INDIA CUSTOMER SERVICE PROGRAM IS EXTREMELY RISKY FOR PAYPAL USERS. CSRs in India are paid only $200/- per month. The financial system in India, like any other third world country, is extremely corrupt. This corrpution, combined with strict exchange controls and low CSR pay, sets the program in India up as a fertile ground for fraudulent activity. Paypal loves it when their users contact them by email because it is cheaper to process the transaction in that manner. Mark Sullivan cut costs for Paypal and put thousands of unsuspecting Paypal customers at risk. This is an example of business development, Paypal style.

Sorry I did need to correct this, Paypal outsources to India, who also has no extradition treaty

No Bank is allowed to outsource because of financial data, good thing Paypal is not a bank then, give all your data away with Paypal.
 
0billie0joe0 said:
I think i'm going to go for a Benchmade Griptilian 551 now.

I'll see if anyone in Canada is ever going to sell one lol. Whats the chance of it getting across the border??
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Hide it in a kilo of cocaine. That stuff seems to get across all the time without a problem.
 
8 websites in 3 years? Why not just build the brand of one?

Emporer VIP, the prostitution ring patronized by the ex-gov of NY used credit card accounts, too.

So, what's your point?

And Gawd, please -- someone forgot to tell crucible Steel they don't exist. You know, the American steel company out of Syracuse, NY? This one: http://www.crucible.com/

You gotta do better Roadside. Your M.O. is suspicious, and you sell unauthorized copies of others' patented work. :rolleyes:
 
Go to their website yourself
http://www.crucibleservice.com/datasheets/dynamicPull.cfm?gradeName=440C

Ok, all the steel in the World Trade Center got sent where? Do you know? China. Why? Because the US is not a major player in steel production anymore. We have two companies at 7 and 8 on the global production, when we used to be the number 1 producer in the world. 34% of steel is from China, plain and simple. Crucible buys stainless steel forged in China? Do they even make 440, not according to their website. We can call them at 1-800-365-1180

Why 8? Why not? I offer different things to a number of different clients and exposure is the most important factor.

What do you sell? What do you do? What is your fortay?

I sell mostly name brand knives. The other items are made by Super Knife a subsidiary of Gerber Knives in China. Did you know that?

So the copying is done by Gerber, yes I know they clone Kershaw and SOG but I don't sell them.

I was accused of being a fly by night website and a fraudulent one, not so, I got a registered business and I follow US laws under my gateway and merchant account. I am not a Nigerian scammer, I could send you some emails of some if you want them as I'm sure you have received plenty as well.

You furthermore did not read anything that I posted concerning the payment systems or anything relative to fraud issues. You pointed me to a re-distribution of Steel and where do they get it again? I'll make the phone call to find out specifics on all this.

Top producers Globally
HOW MANY ARE CHINESE????????????
1. 117.2 Mton ArcelorMittal (Global)
2. 32.0 Mton Nippon Steel (Japan)
3. 30.5 Mton POSCO (South Korea)
4. 29.9 Mton JFE (Japan)
5. 28.2 Mton Tata Steel (India) - Including Corus Group
6. 23.8 Mton Shanghai Baosteel Group Corporation (China)
7. 19.3 Mton United States Steel Corporation (United States)
8. 18.4 Mton Nucor Corporation (United States)
9. 17.5 Mton Riva Group (Italy)
10. 16.8 Mton Techint (Argentina)
11. 16.5 Mton ThyssenKrupp (Germany)
12. 16.1 Mton Tangshan (China)
13. 14.6 Mton Shagang Group (China)
14. 13.9 Mton EvrazHolding (Russia)
15. 13.7 Mton Gerdau (Brazil)
16. 13.6 Mton Severstal (Russia)
17. 13.5 Mton Sumitomo Metal Industries (Japan)
18. 13.4 Mton Steel Authority of India Limited (India)
19. 12.0 Mton Wuhan Iron and Steel (China)
20. 11.9 Mton Anshan (China)
21. 11.4 Mton Magnitogorsk (Russia)
22. 10.5 Mton Shougang (China)
23. 10.4 Mton Jinan (China)
24. 10.3 Mton Laiwu Steel (China)
25. 10.3 Mton China Steel (Taiwan)
26. 9.6 Mton Maanshan (China)
27. 9.4 Mton Imidro (Iran)
28. 8.7 Mton Usiminas (Brazil)
29. 8.5 Mton Novolipetsk (Russia)


Then 7 and 8 do they produce 440 stainless?

Number 7 United States Steel Corporation only produces for Automotive, Appliances, Construction, and Service Centers, Electrical, Agriculture and Industrial Equipment Group (SCEA)

Number 8 Nucor Corporation is largest of the "mini-mill" operators (those using electric arc furnaces to melt scrap steel. Where was the scrap steel forged them? 10/29 says China thats 34% Chinese.

So you didn't convince me of anything other than you not stating the facts correctly once again.
 
I just had a quick look at Crucibles website they sell 440C, 154CM, CPM-S30V, CPM-S90V, CPM-3V, A2, D2 and a whole host of other high quality steals that would be more then adequate for a quality knife blade.
Also, you say that "440" is a high quality steel. That may be so, but most people deem 440A to be of poor quality because it is a relatively inexpensive steel and for the most part companies will buy it for this reason and skimp on the heat treat, producing a blade with very poor edge holding abilities. Your knife at a glance has the traits of a poor quality knife with a poorly heat treated blade - made in china, from 440 stainless, you said yourself it was of cheap construction. That bring up another point, you were pushing a knife with cheap construction as if it was a good and handy thing, its not. It would be dangerous to use.
For the record, I do not see the attraction of having a cheap knife to be able to cut cardboard against concrete, that would dull any knife fast(appart from maybe a busse:p) and if you need to cut cardboard against a concrete floor, maybe a boxcutter would be more appropriate. That and you advertise it on your website for self defence, not cutting cardboard...

Matt.

Eddited to add: I'm sorry, it appears that the knife on your page is 440C, not 440A. Its a little better then I thought, but my argument still stands:p.
 
The point was not to cut cardboard on concrete, it was used as an example of an inappropriate action. Ofcourse most people would use a box cutter. The point is that this knife is a cheap knife, which is easily replaced.

So lets change the analogy. This knife is good if you get drunk while your fishing and you drop the cheap thing into the water and you can't get it back.

Another one, your not drunk and the damn fish bites you while your trying to cut the line and you drop in in the big drink.

Another one, you drop it while hiking, who cares it is cheap.

The whole point is that it is cheap and you can abuse it and loose it and not worry about it because it isn't a Kershaw and it didn't cost you $50 or more.

That is it, it is 440C made in China just like everything else is. Its cheap and inexpensive and you won't give a crap if you break it, loose it, bend it, drop it, or do whatever you want with it. This is not a knife for a collection, that is for sure, if you collect crap made in China then you need your head examined. If you have money to burn then for God sake buy an American Manufactured Knife. GO BUY A KERSHAW, AN SOG, A SMITH & WESSON, A COLT, A SCHRADE, A MEYERCO, A MOSSBERG, A BLACKIE COLLINS. BUT IF YOU LIKE THE DESIGN OF THE KNIFE THEN CRAP IT IS ONLY MADE BY THE CHINESE MANUFACTURERS WHICH IS SUPER KNIFE WHICH FOR GOD SAKE IS OWNED AS A SUBSIDIARY OF GERBER KNIVES. WHOLLY CRAP GERBER, YES LOOK IT UP.

ALL THE CHINESE MODELS COME FROM CHINA IN A BLACK BOX WITH SUPER KNIFE ON IT, THEN THE IMPORTERS USE SUPER KNIFE TO MAKE THEIR OWN LABELS SUCH AS TIGER AND CHEETAH. THEY SIMPLY GET DIFFERENT BOXES MADE AND THEIR STUPID NAME STAMPED ON IT AND THEY ALL COME FROM THE SAME DAMN PLACE: SUPER KNIFE BY GERBER IN CHINA.
 
:)Your analogies make more sense to me now, years and years ago I dropped the first knife I ever owned in a river about a week after I got it (and that was after accidently throwing it at my dad and stabbing him in the leg, whoops! :p)

But I guess your analogy seemed odd to me at first because even if I'm a student and it takes me a while to save up every last piece of dough I have, I still enjoy buying and using the slightly more expensive knives. I guess most people dont necessarily think that way, thats why I come to these forums, I'm with the majority here. Makes me feel less alone here in Berkeley:D.

So in short, I think your website is marketing more towards a "mall ninja" then us knife enthusiasts. What with the non-metallic products, switchblades, and assisted openers.

I actually have a lot of respect for you though, often when people are less then polite about a certain business on these forums, the businessman will get awfully rude, and condescending.

(Still not gona buy many Chinese knives though!)
 
I agree myself. But my friends are all avid flyfishermen and they drop $400 cameras in the ocean while they fish as well. My friends run www.fliesandfins.com Jeremy and my close friend Alex film the events and well those nice sony cams go to the fish sometimes, knives do as well. So its all about a budget, that is what the point is.

Me myself, I actually use a cheap model because I destroy them without regard to what I am doing because of this.

My collection, that is different, I love my Colt M-16 Dual Action, I like the AR-15-K Rockloc as well. And take my Microtech out to do some fishing with, no way at all.

To me I view them in terms of use and abuse, then evaluate how they hold up to each of these conditions.

Me rude, I have no reason to be, and yes your right, I've seen alot of guys get really crazy as well when getting attacked, but I've also seen an uncalled for attack on someone as well.

I've found the best place to get attacked is to use the eBay forum, if you ever need to get your ass chewed out or in an argument feel free to use their forum, you won't get much help but you'll get attacked quite effectively.

I don't sell to ninja wantabees, that is not a valid attack on me either, my clients are fishermen, hunters, and tradesmen for my civilian clients. I also deal with many law enforcement agencies, I sell to the FBI training center in Atlanta quite alot, quite a few Police forces, I supplied the Scottish Bomb Squad, the Canadian Mounted Police as well, quite a few Firefighters including Local 55 FDNY where my best friend is a firefighter. I also supply many of our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I do stock all name branded Assisted models as well. And for the cheap chinese models. Well all my EMT and Firefighters actually prefer them because they loose them all the time, dropping them in the line of duty. Remember one-handed knives do save lives, I have countless clients who have left their knives at a scene of an accident because they used it to save a life and left it behind in the line of duty. These guys pay for these with their own money most of the time so $100 knife is great and yes I do believe that is what they should have on duty but they purchase the $10 cheapo because well it works fine and when its gone it isn't a big deal.

So not true about my clients.

Why did I get on this forum. Well, my client who happens to be a Federal Agent took the time to call my phone number because he read this forum after placing an order with me and wanted to see if I was a legitimate business. How do I know I am dealing with such individuals you might question me, well, they don't give out titles as Special Agent, Captain, Chief of Police, Sargent, Lieutenant, Detective and so on using .gov email addresses. Sure they could lie about their title and who they are but the real truth comes when they email you from a us government email address because well they don't hand those out like candy at the corner store and the phone call caller ID says FBI Training Center then the ninja wanabee theory is really thrown out the door along with the accusations of fraud because most of my clients could arrest me themselves or have it done if I tried to commit such a fraud. So overall the allegations were all quite unfair.
 
Roadsideimports said:
ALL THE CHINESE MODELS COME FROM CHINA IN A BLACK BOX WITH SUPER KNIFE ON IT, THEN THE IMPORTERS USE SUPER KNIFE TO MAKE THEIR OWN LABELS SUCH AS TIGER AND CHEETAH. THEY SIMPLY GET DIFFERENT BOXES MADE AND THEIR STUPID NAME STAMPED ON IT AND THEY ALL COME FROM THE SAME DAMN PLACE: SUPER KNIFE BY GERBER IN CHINA.
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Hopefully, you're not one of those people who believe that their arguments become more persuasive the louder they shout them.

Shouting at people tends to reduce, rather than enhance, your credibility.

Possibly you are not used to online communications. Messages written ALL IN CAPS LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE SHOUTING AT PEOPLE.

I'm sure this is not your intention.
 
400 dollar camera on a fishing boat! Your friends are crazy jeapodizing their money like that:p

Seriously though, again, I looked more at your products after I wrote a comment and saw that you didnt just sell the cheap stuff:thumbup:

Its interesting to hear about the EMTs and Firefighters preferring the cheap stuff, you'd think the more expensive equipment would be more reliable for them...I suppose it matters less (to a point) if you only use it once or twice before buying another. Not everybodys a knifenut and wants (or is able) to spend time caring for their equipment I guess.
 
No my intention was not to yell at anyone. All caps also makes it easier to read and shows that I am pointing out something. I guess I should have used the bold feature. And yes, I have heard people refer to all caps as yelling, to me that is insane, if I wanted to yell, I'd put !!!!!!!!!!! exclamation points which is proper grammar, but then again most people can't spell or speak correctly these days anyway. So your point is well taken and understood and I'll try to do something else in the format to highlight my points.

As far as my EMT & Firefighters buying less expensive models, like I said the knife is fine for use, they cut through seat belts just fine. My point is that these people are heroes and I'd like to see them carry a nice knife. But sadly they themselves have to pay for them out of their own pockets and they do loose them quite regularly because of reasons I pointed out previously, so their own solution is to go with the inexpensive models because they don't feel the financial effects of loosing them as much as they would with the expensive high quality models.

With regard to my friends dropping cameras that are $400 well, Jeremy is the web designer and optimizer for Orvis. He is a avid fishermen and www.fliesandfins.com is his hobby website that is very popular among fishermen to tell their stories and talk with one another. The videos that Jeremy does while he is out are so popular that advertisers buy them for quite alot of money so the $400, well is a write-off, and not important but a fact of filming their content.
 
Alright, Roadside. People deserve the benefit of the doubt. Unless proven otherwise, you are a legitimate seller who, in my humble opinion, sells crappy knives. ;) :D

Nice house, BTW! I drove by it yesterday. Prices in North Haven have gone up, too! Good luck selling it.
 
Thanks about the house, hopefully it sells soon, so I can get back to my life again.

Not all my knives are crappy that isn't true, I sell SOG, Colt, Smith & Wesson, Schrade, Boker, CRKT - Columbia River Knife & Tool, Blackie Collins, MeyerCo, Mossberg, Cold Steel, Microtech, Benchmade, Frank Beltrame, AKC, Buck, Dalton, Gerber, Timberline, Remington, Uzi, H&K, Dalton, Lone Wolf, Pro-Tec, Kit Carson, and much more.

All of these companies are crappy in your opinion?

If everything is crap then what company is the best?

None of them is what your saying. So you only buy custom made knives from the best makers in the US? Is that what you are saying.

I'm not debating that the knife is a cheap piece of crap at all, I'm stating the fact that many people like this design which is not offered currently by anyone else with a spring assist feature. The design is a rip-off from BOKER, I'm not dumb on that. US Pats currently only last 7 years and thanks to Clinton the Chinese have access to all our Pats and don't have to adhere to copyrights outside the US and countries who respect our Pat laws.

The fact that it is spring assisted, that it has a design alot of guys like, that it is cheap, and that people like these facts. It is 440C it comes out of the Super Knife factory in China owned by Gerber Knives. And really if you guys don't own one at all then you really can't give an accurate analysis of the product.
 
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