Is this a Schrade fake?

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Hard to tell from a picture, but if the pinned bolsters are hidden, they did it well. I have owned genuine 296Y Schrade USA that had this same yellow Delrin color (not like the pre 1973 color). Does anyone have an actual copy of this particular 881Y?

I'm adding this link, as I've been down this road before. At least if I'm wrong, it's been consistent. :) And the pictures in this thread are better at showing no signs of bolster pins. The blades appear to be a glazed finish, which I do not believe Camillus or Utica finished blades like that. But who knows... they could easily have been reassembled after 2004.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-else-made-my-mistake?p=11528546#post11528546

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Gut feeling tells me this is a genuine Schrade, based on the shield shape, bolsters, and glazed blades as well as the shape of the blades themselves.
 
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Knowing that Schrade did make 'retro' stamped knives from time to time, (like the 25th Silver Anniversary 34OT), and that Taylor uses the SW tang stamp and tries hard at times to mimic the originals, can make a collector start banging his head against the wall. The only 'retro' stamped Schrade that I know of for sure, is the 34OT Silver. Because of past experience I shy away from anything questionable. Heck, I even get goofy and question some pristine examples of genuine old Schrades thinking, 'it's just too good to be true'. But, goofy, is becoming my middle name. :D
Hope someone has the answers for us. Codger's SFO/SMKW/Blue Ridge explanation may bare fruit and seems most likely so far. I tried to browse SMKW website the other day in their Schrade link, but it refused to work for me. Maybe you could email them a picture of the knife in question and ask about it. I don't want to poop in your easter basket, but the knife does look like the Taylor I bought, with the '100 Years' added to the blade etch.
 
Don't forget about the Boy Scout reissues and the NYKC stamped knives. Some of them were made for Schrade by Camillus using nostalgia marks back during the day.
 
Saddlebum said:
Knowing that Schrade did make 'retro' stamped knives from time to time, (like the 25th Silver Anniversary 34OT), and that Taylor uses the SW tang stamp and tries hard at times to mimic the originals, can make a collector start banging his head against the wall. The only 'retro' stamped Schrade that I know of for sure, is the 34OT Silver. Because of past experience I shy away from anything questionable. Heck, I even get goofy and question some pristine examples of genuine old Schrades thinking, 'it's just too good to be true'. But, goofy, is becoming my middle name. :D
Hope someone has the answers for us. Codger's SFO/SMKW/Blue Ridge explanation may bare fruit and seems most likely so far. I tried to browse SMKW website the other day in their Schrade link, but it refused to work for me. Maybe you could email them a picture of the knife in question and ask about it. I don't want to poop in your easter basket, but the knife does look like the Taylor I bought, with the '100 Years' added to the blade etch.
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I don't have a dog in the hunt here. I don't really care if I'm right or wrong. It's just a guess on my part. But I am guessing the 834Y pattern shown is a made for Taylor, and I don't think the 881Y is. Not a big deal, but I've wondered for several years.
 
I don't guess I know about the BSA re-issue knives. Would like to see one though. I also wasn't aware that Schrade farmed out knife production either. I have more to learn all the time.

Well, if the 881Y 100th Anniversary turns out to be 'legit', I'm going to have to add another knife to my list of must haves and kick myself for passing on them in the past. I went to the thread linked above. Sounds alot like this one and Larry's post about the plain 881Y mirrors my experience and thoughts about it. He did a better job of articulating than me.
 
I just looked at all my 881Ys. They all have the Bom-shell shield - without the "Schrade"
If Schrade made an 881Y knife with the 100th. Anniversary etch, I would have one by now.
 
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koldgold said:
I just looked at all my 881Ys. They all have the Bom-shell shield - without the "Schrade"
If Schrade made an 881Y knife with the 100th. Anniversary etch, I would have one by now.
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This clears up all of my questions...
 
tongueriver said:
I have learned a thing or two here... ;)
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I'm going on the old, "Read the knife, not what the knife happens to say..." an old Bernard Levine addage. Take away the tube, the paper, tang stamp, the etch, and the SCHRADE engraving and look at the appearance and it looks like a Schrade. Thats all I'm saying. I don't need to see pictures of knives that are not in question as to proof of the answer. But it's an unanswered question that has persisted for years. I would just like to know who made it, and when. :)
 
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We talked about the 301 Bucks made by Schrade from 1965 to 1970 and the 301 Bucks made later by Camillus, at A.A.P.N.
The bolster pins used on the Camillus knife (on the right) are sometimes hard to detect. Ken.

"Someone good on the buffer can really hide them..." (reply from 300Bucks at A.A.P.N.)
http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/knife_forum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=29383&start=15

Even the blade etch is not the etch Schrade used for their Anniversary knives.
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koldgold said:
We talked about the 301 Bucks made by Schrade from 1965 to 1970 and the 301 Bucks made later by Camillus, at A.A.P.N.
The bolster pins used on the Camillus knife (on the right) are sometimes hard to detect. Ken.

"Someone good on the buffer can really hide them..." (reply from 300Bucks at A.A.P.N.)
http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/knife_forum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=29383&start=15

Even the blade etch is not the etch Schrade used for their Anniversary knives.
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All good points Ken. I'd like to see if one of those yellow 881Y 100 year anniversary knives with the SCHRADE WALDEN NY USA stamp has Swinden pin construction. Still wondering who came up with the tubes and that slip of paper inside with the Schrade USA information. There is nothing mentioned on that paper regarding Taylor Cutlery. It says nothing regarding the origination or where the knife was made. I lean towards Michaels suggestion they might have been made for SMKW or for Blue Ridge as a possibility. It's interesting in many years the same question comes up about that particular knife. There is one on eBay right now (not from the Rhett Stidham collection as I thought earlier). Asking too much to purchase though...
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Hal, I b'lieve you and I have both gotten a little giddy today.
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Wheeeeee!
 
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Hal, I believe these 881Y with that blade etch; were made after Schrade closed down. (about 2005?)
I feel who ever had them made was trying to sell them to new collectors of Schrade.
Even "The Last Schrades off the production line certificates ". Someone sent me about 100 of them, back in 2007.
I believe those certificates were also printed after Schrade closed down, to suck as much money from Schrade collectors as they could.
 
If Camillus was making a particular knife to be stamped as a Schrade just before the bankruptcy, and continued to make essentially the same knife right after the bankruptcy, to fulfill prior agreements, are the latter Schrades? If Camillus was making knives and parts of knives for Schrade for years before the bankruptcy, and continued to do so for new owners after the bankruptcy, are the latter Schrades? I know that the answers to these and related questions are important to some collectors. To me, not so much. When I say that, I am referring only to Camillus, not to the other post-bankruptcy "Schrades," which are horses of different hues. After all, although Camillus was not part of Imperial Schrade, it was indeed under ownership by the Baer family and associates.
 
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If Camillus was making a particular knife to be stamped as a Schrade just before the bankruptcy, and continued to make essentially the same knife right after the bankruptcy, to fulfill prior agreements, are the latter Schrades? If Camillus was making knives and parts of knives for Schrade for years before the bankruptcy, and continued to do so for new owners after the bankruptcy, are the latter Schrades? I know that the answers to these and related questions are important to some collectors. To me, not so much. When I say that, I am referring only to Camillus, not to the other post-bankruptcy "Schrades," which are horses of different hues. After all, although Camillus was not part of Imperial Schrade, it was indeed under ownership by the Baer family and associates.
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This could very well be the case Calvin, as I tracked down an owner of one of the 881Y Schrade Walden knives in question. It is a mint example and he has the tube and paperwork. 881Y on the back of the tang. Exactly like the one in my earlier link, with the blue cloth background. As noted before, there is no mention of origin or company on the paper included in the tube (something which Taylor Cutlery did do to my knowledge, but not absolutely confirmed).

The owner, who is a 100% reliable source, confirmed my suspicions. The knife has no bolster pins and was made with Swinden Pin construction, which gives it Schrade USA DNA for sure. The barcoded number on the is similar to both the Schrade USA barcodes that appeared on the last Schrade USA knife packaging, and also some numbering similar to the knives Camillus used on the knives they marked with SWA834Y etc., but not exactly the same as those. The SWA marked knives, like the one Saddlebum posted earlier, were Camillus made for Taylor Cutlery, and did have bolster pins.

I will continue my pursuits to try and determine when this knife was made, by whom, and who offered it commercially. Did Camillus have the equipment, fixtures and presses, to mfg such a knife? Trying to find that out as well. I believe there is a strong possibility they had a had a hand in the process. Maybe these knives were already assembled and were in the truckloads of stuff after the bankruptcy and someone like SMKW offered them up? Maybe assembled from original Schrade parts? Made by Schrade USA and never made it to market in 2004? Still a lot of unanswered questions I'd like to know. :)

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Wanted to add, the paperwork pictured here may well fit into the same class as those "Final Production Run" papers that Ken mentioned. Those papers have "end of days and beyond" propoganda DNA written all over them I suppose. :cool:
 
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koldgold said:
Hal, have a look at this: http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/knife_forum/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=44301
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No new facts or even clues added regarding the one with the Swinded Pin construction. Just suggestions and more guesses.

The one Shearer posted.... It's a whole different knife... with pinned bosters, and the genuine box is something the seller probably added. The box should have had a different knife with it. That yellow knife was not one of the cigar box Schrade USA made knives. I've seen that knife a few times, but not in a Cigar box like that.

I think these particular yellow knives were likely assembled after 2004, there has never been any information specific to them that says how they came to be. They were born out of the time there was a lot of confusion going on with Schrade closing, parts being spread everywhere, and a few opportunists trying to cash in.
 
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Looking close to the tang stamp, on the knives in question.
The old Schrade stamp is very clear. SCHRADE WALDEN N . Y . U . S. A.

The yellow knife stamp is different:
Badly formed R in SCHRADE
Badly formed W in WALDEN
Full stop close to "N. Y ." and also close to "U."
 
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