Is this honorable?

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Hi guys. I'm a new member of Bladeforums. As a matter of fact, this is my first post here. I'm new to knife making, only been at it about 2 years. Only recently have I started forging, so I hope I can learn a lot here.

The reason I'm posting is...I've got a story to tell, and a question or two to ask. I hope you all will indulge me.

I'm basically self-taught in this whole knife making thing. I read books, go online, and I watch YouTube videos. Then I go out to the shop and try things out. Some things work, some don't, but the only way I can learn is by trying; there's no one near me that I can study under.

Anyway, several months ago I ran across some videos about a European bladesmith, a phenomenally talented guy. He's internationally trained, award winning, and his work is just superb. The Old World attention to detail he puts into his work is just amazing.

I watched this documentary and I decided to see if he had a website. It turns out he does, so I decided to write him an email. I wrote to him and told him that I'm a beginning knife maker, and I was amazed at his work. I told him that I want to improve my skills because my oldest son is a US Marine serving in harm's way, and I want to be able to make him a knife that will serve him well in the field.

To my utter shock, this bladesmith wrote back to me. He thanked me for my kind words, and he offered to make my son a knife. I told him I couldn't afford one, but he said he wanted to make my son a knife for free. A couple times a year (he said), he makes a knife for a deserving recipient, free of charge...kind of to generate good karma.

I told him it would be an honor to have him make my son a knife, and he set to work. He sent photos of the knife in progress, the blade after forging, the blade after its protecting coating, the smaller companion blade, the handle, etc. And I sent him photos of my son, training in Africa and now in Afghanistan. I even mailed him a Seasons Greetings card at Christmas.

This bladesmith seemed very friendly, so I asked him questions here and there about forging, steel selection, techniques, and he was always willing to answer my newbie questions. Through the course of our correspondence, he let me know that religiously, he follows a pagan/shamanistic tradition, and his particular deity is an ancient Celtic goddess named Brigid. I never remarked to him about it because it doesn't matter to me. It's his own private business.

This all started last September, and finally, about 3 or 4 weeks ago, he sent me an email with a picture of the completed knife, all ready to go. It was out getting its "sheath system" made, then he'd be shipping it over here to the States. Again, he said that he had asked Brigid's blessing on this knife so it would be a protective talisman for my son as he finds himself in combat.

I wrote back to him, again thanking him for his generosity and telling him that it would be an honor for my son to have this knife from him. And I told him that I'm Catholic and it's interesting that our patron saint of blacksmiths happens to be St. Brigid, isn't that an interesting parallel? I didn't mention God or Jesus or anything like that; it was just like, "Hey isn't this a neat parallel?"

This next part is the God's honest truth and I couldn't make this up if I tried. He wrote right back to me and said, "I'm sick of Christians. I never want to talk to you again. Bye-bye." And that was it. No explanation, no nothing. Just "I hate Christians, deal's off."

Now, it might seem like I'm pissed that my kid doesn't get this awesome free knife, but that's really not it at all. I place a high premium on honor. I suppose I romanticize the notion of a man's word being his bond. And this bladesmith had been talking to me for months about the sacred honor of his ancient craft, about the 12 Laws of Bladesmithing, about how you should "put the same skill into making a knife for a peasant as you would into making a knife for a king"...and in a flash, he withdrew this amazing gift he had offered, presumably because he just REALLY doesn't like Christians.

Is this guy just nuts?
Or did he suddenly realize that he didn't want to *give away* an expensive knife?
Have I read something totally wrong?

I have really been thrown for a loop by this because I think I thought I had found kind of a kindred spirit. I'm a real stickler for details (so is this guy), and I have a strong attachment to the concept of "honor"...doing what's right, helping those less fortunate, chivalry, and above all, keeping your word. This guy's actions really threw me for a loop, and I just thought I'd throw this story out there.

P.S. You may notice that I didn't mention the bladesmith's name. I don't want to do that because part of me is still willing to believe that I might be reading this wrong. Hell, for all I know, the guy might have had a stroke or something, accounting for his strange behavior. And I'd hate to sully his name if I'm wrong about this.
 
First off welcome to bladeforums. Secondly I truly hope this bladesmith is not nearly as petty as your story tells and you are right and he things are just read wrong. If that is not the case then this is far from honorable. Because regardless of your dealings with him, which seemed both cordial and down right friendly and familiar, his petty decision ultimately affects your son most. And that's simply not right. Not in any religion. So I'm sorry you had that happen. Good luck to you with your knifemaking. Your character will shine through your work.
 
Very unusual story. This man needs God in his life. Hone your knifemaking skills until you feel adequate enough to make him a knife and send it to him. Send it to him unannounced along with a letter and a bible. Not trying to tell you what to do, just what I would do.
 
An example of why religion shouldn't be mentioned in business. My guess is that he took offense to the "parallel". Brigid was the Goddess of the forge. Christianity has a reputation for taking another religion's gods and making them it's own, and he may have been peeved about that being the possible case here. I have no deity in this fight, but that's my guess.

My advice is to let it go. You can't rationalize emotions dictated by spirituality.
 
Weird.

I wouldn't have mentioned anything about religion once he informed me that he was into paganism. I've know a few people who had similar (and far stranger) beliefs, and they are simply not interested in your religious views.

It's unfortunate that he broke his promise, but it's just a knife.
 
My advice is to let it go. You can't rationalize emotions, period.

Some people are guided by their beliefs. Others are bound by them. I cannot imagine that it never occurred to him that you might not share his.
 
Thanks for your replies.

It's true: it is just a knife. It just feels like...like an admiring little brother might feel if his big brother unexpectedly hurts him for his own amusement. Maybe that's not a good analogy, but the sense of being hurt by someone you trusted...that's what I'm trying to convey.

In any case, this guy did give me some good pointers on improving my forging, so there's that. And the knife I make myself for my son will hopefully mean more than one from a stranger.
 
Very unusual story. This man needs God in his life. Hone your knifemaking skills until you feel adequate enough to make him a knife and send it to him. Send it to him unannounced along with a letter and a bible. Not trying to tell you what to do, just what I would do.

He has a god, Just not your god, and this sort of reaction is probably why he hates Christians.

No one really knows who's system of beliefs is right or wrong and the last thing ANYONE wants to hear is that they are wrong.

Religion and business should never mix, and I'm surprised this thread hasn't been moved or closed.

Until the knife is in your hands, It was his to keep, sell, or give away as he saw fit.



(And I can't escape the feeling that this is just a fishing expedition for a free knife from the strong Pro Christian crowd here)
 
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Let it go.

You were perfectly willing to put your beliefs aside and accept a free, very expensive knife despite the makers avowed adherance to a system you presumably find repugnant. Now you question his honor because he declined to donate weeks of toil and sweat after finding you adhere to a system he finds offensive? :confused:

For the record, I'm neither Catholic nor pagan.
 
(And I can't escape the feeling that this is just a fishing expedition for a free knife from the strong Pro Christian crowd here)

I really hope your feeling is mistaken. Unfortunately, that does happen regularly and there's certainly a pattern of scams whereby a poor, down-trodden misunderstood lamb shows up out of nowhere and solicits free work in the name of brotherhood. First post and all... hmmm...
 
I really hope your feeling is mistaken. Unfortunately, that does happen regularly and there's certainly a pattern of scams whereby a poor, down-trodden misunderstood lamb shows up out of nowhere and solicits free work in the name of brotherhood. First post and all... hmmm...

Not at all. I understand the skepticism, this being my first day on this forum. Only time will tell, of course, but I intend to stay around, learn, and hopefully contribute what I can. I'm certainly not fishing for affirmation, and I'm definitely not looking for freebies. I didn't even ask this guy for anything; he offered out of the blue.

And for the record, I don't find paganism repugnant at all, just different. I don't know any pagans...that I know of. As you might see in my profile, I'm from Kentucky. Around here, you're either Baptist or you keep quiet :)

But the religion aspect isn't the point. I was only trying to relate my story. I'm sorry if it was misconstrued.
 
I apologize for assuming you found paganism repugnant. I based that on your assertion that you're a Catholic. The two philosophies are kind of "oil and water" and there's a lot of very literal bad blood there, historically.

I would advise against naming the maker in public. You're not out anything but some time. Leave it alone.
 
I apologize for assuming you found paganism repugnant. I based that on your assertion that you're a Catholic. The two philosophies are kind of "oil and water" and there's a lot of very literal bad blood there, historically.

I would advise against naming the maker in public. You're not out anything but some time. Leave it alone.

Roger that.
 
Why in the world would anyone send the guy a bible? Seriously...

No one can judge this story because they don't have both sides or enough information. I say drop it.
 
I am not catholic so I do not hold any of the patron saints dear but I certainly would not be offended by them being mentioned. If it is exactly as you say I think he was being a bit childish. I have found in life that things usually lie somewhere in the middle and its to short to get worked up over what others say. (Though I admit its hard to practice that sometimes).
 
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