It followed me home (Part 2)

Miller '72 said:
That's a nice holiday weekend score C crbnSteeladdict

Rixford...always awesome.
The drill press is very interesting. Will you put it to use? Its damn cool.

I like you found the Rixford & Jackson out in the wild:cool::thumbsup:
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I had no idea Rixford made Kentucky pattern axes.
I knew the post drill had some parts missing. I left the garage sale without it. What are the odds I would find something like that in my neck of the woods? Well, I had to turn around.
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It should not be too hard to come up with something to replace missing parts
https://archive.org/details/SearsRoebuckAndCoHardwareCatalog1919/page/n63
https://archive.org/details/ChampionBlowerAndForgeCo1914/page/n15
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/champion-no-92-cast-iron-hand-crank-post-drill

Square_peg said:
Nice looking double snatch blocks. Are they rated?
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I assume they were made by Upton Wilton ( UW 6 mark) I have couple vintage wooden pulleys marked UW so those two should not be too bad.
 
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I am not sure where you are, but i would call that a good score anywhere sir.

...and according to the catalog here, Sears has what you need, with options and at reasonable prices.

crbnSteeladdict said:
I had no idea Rixford made Kentucky pattern axes.
I knew the post drill had some parts missing. I left the garage sale without it. What are the odds I would find something like that in my neck of woods? Well, I had to turn around.
BookReaderImages.php

It should not be too hard to come up with something to replace missing parts
https://archive.org/details/SearsRoebuckAndCoHardwareCatalog1919/page/n63
http://vintagemachinery.org/photoindex/detail.aspx?id=16520


I assume they were made by Upton Wilton ( UW 6 mark) I have couple vintage wooden pulleys marked UW so those two should not be too bad.
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Miller '72 said:
I am not sure where you are, but i would call that a good score anywhere sir.

...and according to the catalog here, Sears has what you need, with options and at reasonable prices.
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The other side of GW Bridge.

I am pretty sure when I call Sears hot line to order parts it will be Eddie F....g Lampert himself answering phones. :)

Funny thing: When I saw the drill I started looking for other parts of blacksmithing set that used to be sold by Sears (post vise, forge, maybe anvil). I stated that Sears used to be a company with a vision. I mentioned Allstate insurance, Discover Card or kit houses from Sears catalog. Another customer turns around and cheerfully states : I live in kit house from Sears!!!
 
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This is going to be about forensics and re-purposing,hope it won't offend anyone...

Remnants of a wagon wheel were donated to the forge for possible material.
Woodwork is rotten to the core,parts exhibit traces of lathe,and other mechinised working methods.NO idea how old it'd be.Local steamboat traffic was going strong from 1890-ies,so from there onward till they stopped using wagons,into 30-ies or a bit later...
https://imgur.com/NWpSgU7

I cut a sample for testing from "tyre",as they used to say.Upon the break-test sample does not exhibit the fibrous nature common to some grades of WI.Bad photo,but the break is abrupt;grain structure is very large and somewhat uneven.
https://imgur.com/PSiu5B8

Then on to spark-testing.first a known sample of A36/1018 or similar,we know that the C content is around under 0.2%.
https://imgur.com/SlcQCaB

And here's the wagon tire:
We can see that possibly it has somewhat less C,but it's not severely low-carbon alloy;there're still carbides there striking the carborundum particles,making little starry explosions
https://imgur.com/a/Y3A7JAt

HERE,to compare,we have some truly Low-carbon WIhttps://imgur.com/uvwbmds
There're no starry sparkles at all;only Fe itself burns up in a streak having encountered the abrasive.
And here that same last sample of nearly-carbonless WI in brek-test.The "fibrous" nature of material is clearly visible.https://imgur.com/1aLfyuV

So now we know that the tyre material(3 1/2" x 1/2")is some old variety of Bessemer steel,with C content equal to about 15+%...
 
jake pogg said:
This is going to be about forensics and re-purposing,hope it won't offend anyone...

Remnants of a wagon wheel were donated to the forge for possible material.
Woodwork is rotten to the core,parts exhibit traces of lathe,and other mechinised working methods.NO idea how old it'd be.Local steamboat traffic was going strong from 1890-ies,so from there onward till they stopped using wagons,into 30-ies or a bit later...
https://imgur.com/NWpSgU7

I cut a sample for testing from "tyre",as they used to say.Upon the break-test sample does not exhibit the fibrous nature common to some grades of WI.Bad photo,but the break is abrupt;grain structure is very large and somewhat uneven.
https://imgur.com/PSiu5B8

Then on to spark-testing.first a known sample of A36/1018 or similar,we know that the C content is around under 0.2%.
https://imgur.com/SlcQCaB

And here's the wagon tire:
We can see that possibly it has somewhat less C,but it's not severely low-carbon alloy;there're still carbides there striking the carborundum particles,making little starry explosions
https://imgur.com/a/Y3A7JAt

HERE,to compare,we have some truly Low-carbon WIhttps://imgur.com/uvwbmds
There're no starry sparkles at all;only Fe itself burns up in a streak having encountered the abrasive.
And here that same last sample of nearly-carbonless WI in brek-test.The "fibrous" nature of material is clearly visible.https://imgur.com/1aLfyuV

So now we know that the tyre material(3 1/2" x 1/2")is some old variety of Bessemer steel,with C content equal to about 15+%...
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Thank you JPogg for the time it took to picture, explain and post. That was easily some of the most enjoyable and informative reading I have done in a bit.
The explanations of the break and spark testing you did were informative and spoken so I could understand :D:cool:
 
junkenstien said:
Sucks about the thieving varmint garry3,what kind of shape are the stones in?
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Ya, I guess they were getting picked pretty good. I felt bad for them because they had lost family and it wasn't easy, the prices were more than fair. Don't know whats wrong with people.

The stones are real good. It's the second M-313 I have. I just bought a set of Arks for my other one and a replacement stone holder that didn't fit the older model so had to send it back. I decided to keep the stones though and go with single stone holder. Now I have more options. I am on the fence with setting one up with naturals or just flip them both for more stones.:confused:
 
garry3 said:
Wife talked me into stopping at an estate sale today, I didn't want to....

Someone stole a skeleton file handle with file right out of the box on there way out the door. I left it on the pay table while I continued to look around. :(
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That's dirty. Thieving at an estate sale has got to be a new low and a new one for me. Anger rises when I hear that.

My wife has the most difficult time getting me to a yard sale or junk shop too. ;)
 
Man! The other day I am driving through rural north west and I see a handwritten sign that says “Vintage Tool Sale =>”.

I drive way way down this road to find a empty garage, like nothing. A crap compressor, some misc junk. I gat $2 worth of utility knives, a 5n1 and a basin wrench. :poop:
I mean so disappointing. I was driving down this muddy road dreaming about that Black Raven. LoL.
 
jake pogg said:
And here's the wagon tire:
We can see that possibly it has somewhat less C,but it's not severely low-carbon alloy;there're still carbides there striking the carborundum particles,making little starry explosions
https://imgur.com/a/Y3A7JAt
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jake pogg said:
So now we know that the tyre material(3 1/2" x 1/2")is some old variety of Bessemer steel,with C content equal to about 15+%...
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I agree with your assessment. It's definitely low carbon steel. Even 4140 would produce considerably more sparks than that. Might make a nice axe body.

I have a wagon wheel here but it's complete and in good shape so I don't want to test the steel.
 
Yessir,that's the aim.Sorry to say i did cut into an entire wheel rim,but at least now there MAY be lots of material,If it passes a couple more tests.

Now that we know that it's some form of structural(non-hardenable) steel,three futher questions remain:
P-Phosphorus;if it contains excess of it,steel will come apart when forged under lower temps,i.e. Cold-shortness(very unhandy,as sometimes one does go into lower heat for straightening or whatever).
S-Sulphur;pretty much the opposite,Hot-shortness in steel,where overheating turns your steel into cottage cheese...Most unhandy for welding.
Both P and S were historically the metalworker's Bane,and their presence in cheap structural steel of the past is only too likely.

And the affinity of steel to being welded back on itself is the third important factor.
No mild steel likes to weld back on itself,it takes much more readily to higher-C alloys(beats me why).And some are even more so then others.

All of the above can be known only by forging trials,but it won't take long to find it out.
 
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