It's here!!!! FK Destruction Video!!!

I have always wanted a field knife, never held one in my hands so I don't know how thick the tip is
 
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sfrigon1 said:
Why did the tip break so easily ? Would that happen with any knife in 3v ?
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"Easily"? Let's put it this way:

I have had many, many Busse knives pass through my hands, probably close to 300 of them. I have also had many customs and midtechs pass through my hands, and I still have some of each of these--Busses, midtechs, and full hand-forged customs. I have also seen at least one custom knifemaker specifically do tip breaking tests with different steels. I do use my knives a fair amount and have for a long time.

That said, I have not ever done a destruction test with a Busse or hand-forged custom, but I will say that the Field Knife unequivocally surpassed my every expectation. Yes, you can hold it next to a Busse and immediately see that the Busse is thicker everywhere. Naturally you would expect that such a knife might be able to endure a more severe beating, and maybe that is what you are used to. However, the field knife lasted much longer than I thought it would given its geometry and size. In my opinion, that is due in part to Nathan's exceptional heat treat of 3V. Additionally, with all due respect, I will say that it is one thing to see the video and it is something altogether different to be there doing it. If you had been doing what I did to the tip of that knife, I don't think you would use the term "easily" to describe the moment when the tip broke. There was a LOT of lateral force being applied. Again, maybe you are used to something much beefier, but for what it is, in my book, the Field Knife gets an A+. Nobody is holding a gun to my head and I don't have to say that; it's simply how I truly feel based on lots of experiences.
 
I see nothing about that destruction test that would make me think poorly of the field knife. I thought it performed stellar in that rough use. The tip geometry is completely different from the drop point of a GSO.
 
I thought the destruction test was done very well. The knife sure impressed me, for a knife designed as a cutting tool first. Wow it took a beating and kept going.
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
No, this is not indicative of a weakness of 3V. It shows the weakness of the point of that knife design. Lo and behold, a thin knife can be broken if you set your mind to it.

People need to understand what a particular knife is intended to do, and how the geometry of a knife reflects that use. A 3V knife is going to be more durable than almost any other knife of identical geometry. But that doesn't mean that any knife made in 3V will automatically be unbreakable.

The tip is relatively thin. The information in the sales threads specifically states the tip isn't reinforced. This isn't a rough use tactical knife, it is relatively thin, the geometry is intended for cutting performance rather than gross durability.

Once he re-pointed it, it was thicker at the tip and more nearly unbreakable. But at that point it is too thick for good cutting performance.

This illustrates the problem with many of the knife destruction videos you see out there. Some viewers don't understand the significance of the role that geometry plays. Without an understanding of the geometry of the knife and how it relates to other knives it is difficult to form a meaningful judgment. This is why I usually describe the real actual geometry of a knife with dimensions, so that experienced knife users can better understand them.

I have a Busse knife here that could go tip first into that log and be torqued out without breaking. You could probably do it all day, or at least until you got tired. But do you know how thick a Busse knife is behind the edge and how obtuse the factory edge comes? <--- it matters, both in durability and cutting performance. (and also how deep the point penetrates)
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My Ambush alpha has what I'd describe as a totally indestructable tip - it's REALLY thick, and I've done heavy prying with it with impunity.

Damn knife didn't cut terribly well, though. Had to regrind most of the primary bevel up to the belly to get it to slice even reasonably well. It's what I'd call a low performance knife without modifying it.

Can't wait to get my paws on my CPK - I'd much rather have a tough knife that can cut like a demon, than an indestructible knife that can not.


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I'm pretty sure you guys are getting trolled hence my response at 5am this morning.

Check some of his posts.
 
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JustinFournier said:
I am pretty sure we all do, most if not all of us appreciate the P in CPK. There are more than enough sharpened pry bars out there.
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As I always say, "pry once, cry once".

Actually I never say that. Moving right along...

Who's trolling? The guy who's concerned with just the tip (breakage)?


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Yeah, the brand new registered guy with almost no posts who just randomly says something inflammatory that is clearly inaccurate.
 
I just realized that I have the power to keep the spam outta this forum! Yay, me!
 
Sorry to all just joined and I obviously don't know what my words are potentially causing I have to think about what I type before I type hope that I didn't screw anyone over
 
sfrigon1 said:
Sorry to all just joined and I obviously don't know what my words are potentially causing I have to think about what I type before I type hope that I didn't screw anyone over
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Hey no problem. :thumbup:
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
Hey no problem. :thumbup:
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Ditto
This thread needs some pics
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Thanks ,you know I used to tell my girlfriend someday I'm gonna find a friend that likes knives too and to find this forum is like having a thousand friends that I can talk to I feel privileged to be here
 
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