It's not all hearts and roses.....

Doc, you are amazing! I have learned more from you than anyone else on this site. Thanks for contributing so much and helping our little community to become a better and more informed one.

If I ever make it up to your area I'll have to buy you a drink (I don't drink any more, so I'll have a sody pop while you enjoy your preference)!

Seriously, thanks!
 
DOC-CANADA said:
I know I wasn't going to post any more skills threads, but I had a really nice day and I wanted to share.
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Doc, I really hope that you continue to share your skills & knowledge with our little family here in the W&SS.
Your experience and know how are a very scarce and valued commodity. I can tell you that I personally
have gained lots of insight from your posts and to not have you contribute here would be an enormous loss.

Regards.
 
KuRUpTD said:
Doc, I really hope that you continue to share your skills & knowledge with our little family here in the W&SS.
Your experience and know how are a very scarce and valued commodity. I can tell you that I personally
have gained lots of insight from your posts and to not have you contribute here would be an enormous loss.

Regards.
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:thumbup: to the 10th.
 
Awesome photos! I love that winch, I had to see a video of it in action to get it but it's a great thing to know. That L-7 snare looks great too, hopefull next time you'll catch something with a little more meat and flavor too it :)
 
Great stuff Doc. I really like the kit and your knowledge. Thanks for sharing.

KR
 
Really nice stuff there Doc. Looks like you guys had a great skills day!
 
Wow! Thanks for all the great comments.

As a lot of you know, it takes time and effort to put together a skills thread.

When it's appreciated, it's worth the effort.

Thanks again, guys.

Doc
 
Not another skills thread... :yawn:

;)

Thank you very much Doc. I've never seen a winch in action like that :o.
Glad to see that you are still putting up skills posts. :thumbup:

FWIW I really do appreciate the work that you put in to educating me. This is one of the reasons why WSS is so great - I'm learning in Oz from your exploits all the way over there!!! :thumbup: :D
 
Doc,

Do you think it's possible for this winch to be operated by a single person? Maybe using a rope loop to keep the side that wants to spring up from doing so?
 
LMT66 said:
Doc,

Do you think it's possible for this winch to be operated by a single person? Maybe using a rope loop to keep the side that wants to spring up from doing so?
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Yes. Kochanski demonstrates it by himself.

We've only tried it a couple of times and used 2 people to do it but I think the secret is in using heavier poles it you're doing it with one person only. That said, try out your idea with the rope loop and post the results. I'd be interested in seeing your take on it. And, of course, the only way to know for sure, if something works, is to put it to the test.

Doc
 
DOC-CANADA said:
I don't know how many of you have seen Mors Kochanski's flip flop winch, but we had, but had never tried it out so, today was as good as any.
Along this line, I remember reading about another technique, a long time ago, used for rolling barrels up ramps, using only a rope. It was called parbuckling.

Hi Doc,

I've used those two techniques in december 2005 when a 25 meters fir tree fell in my field during a storm. The tree was about 50 years old and anyway at that age there is no future. But i had to move it away. I made of it about 3 meters long logs and worked with a good length of rope. On flat terrain the parbuckling is possible though not easy for a single man but at the slightest obstacle the flip-flop winch is a better choice though it's time consuming. The poles i used were, for what i can see on your pictures, about the same sizes the ones you have used. I did it alone and the use of a loop to keep the pole paralell to the rope from springing up is essential.

An other thing to consider are the knots you have to use. The rope tension is huge when using a winch, it's better to use knots which can be easily untied.

dantzk.
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dantzk8 said:
Hi Doc,

I've used those two techniques in december 2005 when a 25 meters fir tree fell in my field during a storm. The tree was about 50 years old and anyway at that age there is no future. But i had to move it away. I made of it about 3 meters long logs and worked with a good length of rope. On flat terrain the parbuckling is possible though not easy for a single man but at the slightest obstacle the flip-flop winch is a better choice though it's time consuming. The poles i used were, for what i can see on your pictures, about the same sizes the ones you have used. I did it alone and the use of a loop to keep the pole paralell to the rope from springing up is essential.

An other thing to consider are the knots you have to use. The rope tension is huge when using a winch, it's better to use knots which can be easily untied.

dantzk.
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Hey dantzk8, good to see you in here. Also thanks for the first hand report. It is a very useful technique.

I agree about the huge amount of rope tension, that's why I used toggled bends ( you can see one in the middle of the picture )

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I hope to see you in here more often.

Doc
 
Doc,

Thanks for the welcome. So you use toggled bends! I don't want to sound ponctilious but, well, a knot connoisseur like you shouldn't be cheating!

I would come here more often if you made more skills threads. I know you have made a one about rope making some years ago. I'm sure you have refined your technique. If you make an update i promise to come more often.

dantzk.
 
Rereading this thread i notice that some of you are not used to handle this kind of winch and maybe to the use of any winch.

That's why i prefer to draw your attention on some basic safety rules in the use of the flipflop winch. It's probably useless for most of you but if it can help someone that's worth the effort.

This kind of winch, though rudimentary, can provide huge efforts and move heavy loads. The limits are the patience of the user, the resistance of the poles, the strength of the rope.

I can't help you about the patience.

I highly recommend the use of green wood for the poles, seasoned wood picked on the ground can be breakable. Choose if possible a soft lightweight wood like birch. Always use a loop (even if you are helped by someone else) to keep the pole which is parallel to the rope from springing up if, for some reason, you have to let go of the pole.

The most important is about the rope. Be sure the rope is strong enough and not excessively worn. Avoid dynamic ropes (the ones used for climbing), use the kind of rope used for works in heights which are static (they don't stretch much). Be sure the knots you will have to make at each butt are the proper ones and properly made. If under a great amount of tension a stretched rope which has no weak points break it will be in one of the knots and it will result of that a very dangerous wipe effect.

So, please, take care.

dantzk.
 
dantzk8 said:
Doc,

Thanks for the welcome. So you use toggled bends! I don't want to sound ponctilious but, well, a knot connoisseur like you shouldn't be cheating!

I would come here more often if you made more skills threads. I know you have made a one about rope making some years ago. I'm sure you have refined your technique. If you make an update i promise to come more often.

dantzk.
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LOL, cheating is it? It's true, I'm a bit of a knot junkie, but toggled knots are also knots, , at least according to Ashley and Graumont. They're just specialty knots. I've played around with toggled knots quite a bit and really like them.

CONS

Don't know of any

PROS

·just plain fun to experiment with

·fast & easy to tie:

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·fast & easy to untie (eliminates some of the jamming realized with hard-stressed knots):

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·with some knots it reduces the severity of bending which can be hard on natural cordage

·modifies and improves security of some regular knots such as a Sheepshank (see Sheepshanked Trucker's Hitch above but toggled on both ends)

·perhaps does some things that existing knots don't?:

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^for hauling down on small diameter cordage without wrecking your hands

Adjustable Toggled Loop:

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not sure of the use yet :rolleyes:, but fast adjustment of loop size (by pulling on loop or working end while lifing right hand side of toggle)

·does some jobs better than existing knots ( I have a challenge for you...... :D - show me a knot that does a quicker, more secure job of shortening a cord for temporary use than the extended Marlinspike Hitch) :

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·or hanging a bear bag over an existing high branch:

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^in the above diagram, a Marlinspike Hitch would replace a Clove Hitch

Anyway, that's all I can think of for the moment. Your thoughts?

Oh by the way, I found something interesting while composing this post:

1. 07-01-2008, 11:38 AM #20
dantzk8

I generally tie most of the knots with a braid to untie easily. The use of a toggle in the braid secures the knot.

dantzk.
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http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/566352-This-is-knot-for-everybody? post #20

The defence rests. :D

(Just wish I could decide how to spell Marlinspike, Marlinespike, Marlingspike............... :confused: )

Doc
 
Doc,

I think i've demonstrated it's not so hard to make you provide a skill thread. Of course i've had to contradict myself. That was the price to pay to trap the trap expert you are.

It was worth the effort: i didn't know the adjustable toggled loop. Very interesting, i have to play with it but i do think i will find some useful applications to it.

I note the challenge about the shortening knot, it won't be easy without the use of a toggle so, be patient, i need time.

And while i'm at i will try to work on a trucker's hitch without toggle but still convenient.

At that point i'm wondering who is trapped.

Doc, keep tuned. I will try to make some tinder of your toggles!


dantzk.
 
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