It's raining Slysz Bowies Halleluyah!

NickShabazz said:
This thread is hilarious. And my only response to the "Nick Shabazz Secret Flipper OMG" conspiracy is that if I am secretly pumping and dumping, I'm awful at it, because I post videos like this:

Also, I hope desperately that Spyderco announces a Slysz Bowie 2, so that all of the flippers who bought high to sell to a greater fool are left holding the bag.
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I'd believe you if there wasn't this picture of you diving into your sea of BNIB Bowies:
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Sharperthansticks said:
Those knives will sell at a considerably higher price than $200,
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They better not. There are more sprints to come and those are the worst scales in the list of available scales (majority of options).

I don't get why you think they should go for way higher... Just because there are less of them. People are just getting ripped off if they pay more, or are just collecting.
 
Sharperthansticks said:
To give a little perspective here to the people who ask, "Why did Spyderco stop making the Slysz Bowie when it's selling for $450?" first, it wasn't selling for $450 before they discontinued it. Two factors jacked up its selling price: (1) Heavy hitters like Nick Shabazz praising it. (Yup, his words move markets, despite the whole "I'm just a humble jackass; what do I know?" online persona. And by the way, I am not at all saying that his praise was disingenuous or that he had some ulterior motive; he really friggin' likes his Slysz, I'm sure.) (2) Spyderco discontinuing it. Someone astutely pointed out that spikes due to (2) eventually resolve themselves. Right after Michael Jackson died, photos of him were going for lots of money; later (long before the documentary came out), those prices naturally cooled off.

Also, remember that Spyderco routinely does things that are difficult to understand. For instance, when they sell a Shaman in M4 in such quantities and at such a price that the whole stock sells out in 7 minutes (yup, I got mine), you have to ask yourself, "Why not sell it at $250, $275, or even $300? Those knives will sell at a considerably higher price than $200, and the only things Spyderco accomplishes by selling their sprint runs below market value are (a) shortages, and (b) a secondary market where the knives will be sold at a price that more accurately reflects their value, where a middleman (the flippers) take another cut. There's nothing wrong with flipping, in my opinion, but I do wonder why Spyderco or BHQ wouldn't want that money for itself. Spyderco and BHQ are leaving money on the table for no reason. Anyway, my point here is that you don't always understand why Spyderco does what it does.
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Spyderco and BladeHQ won't inflate the price because they have reputations to consider. They don't just sell a few sprint runs every once in awhile. They run businesses and aren't out to extract every cent possible off customers. They have to look at the overall big picture. A flipper isn't worried about it in the least. Just get what they can, when they can and reputation be damned.
 
Mo2 said:
They better not. There are more sprints to come and those are the worst scales in the list of available scales (majority of options).

I don't get why you think they should go for way higher... Just because there are less of them. People are just getting ripped off if they pay more, or are just collecting.
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Cause he bought a few extra to flip. I am waiting for the cruwear micarta version myself. I passed up on the ugly jade scales despite having the funds and the opportunity, instead I went with a brs fragment. I don’t buy into paid personalities hyping free product shilling for a company. I’m not going to get into the validity or credibility of these reviews either. It’s all marketing. Buyer beware.
 
jill jackson said:
Spyderco and BladeHQ won't inflate the price because they have reputations to consider. They don't just sell a few sprint runs every once in awhile. They run businesses and aren't out to extract every cent possible off customers. They have to look at the overall big picture. A flipper isn't worried about it in the least. Just get what they can, when they can and reputation be damned.
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Longevity of the business is worth more than a quick buck. This is something people who claim "market value" overlook.
 
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Sharperthansticks said:
...and the only things Spyderco accomplishes by selling their sprint runs below market value are (a) shortages, and (b) a secondary market where the knives will be sold at a price that more accurately reflects their value, where a middleman (the flippers) take another cut.
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The the rush on sprints keeps the brand hot, which in the long run is worth more than turning a few extra bucks on a 600-1200 piece run. Same goes for the retailer.

It’s qute a genius move, IMO.
 
Sharperthansticks said:
To give a little perspective here to the people who ask, "Why did Spyderco stop making the Slysz Bowie when it's selling for $450?" first, it wasn't selling for $450 before they discontinued it. Two factors jacked up its selling price: (1) Heavy hitters like Nick Shabazz praising it. (Yup, his words move markets, despite the whole "I'm just a humble jackass; what do I know?" online persona. And by the way, I am not at all saying that his praise was disingenuous or that he had some ulterior motive; he really friggin' likes his Slysz, I'm sure.) (2) Spyderco discontinuing it. Someone astutely pointed out that spikes due to (2) eventually resolve themselves. Right after Michael Jackson died, photos of him were going for lots of money; later (long before the documentary came out), those prices naturally cooled off.

Also, remember that Spyderco routinely does things that are difficult to understand. For instance, when they sell a Shaman in M4 in such quantities and at such a price that the whole stock sells out in 7 minutes (yup, I got mine), you have to ask yourself, "Why not sell it at $250, $275, or even $300? Those knives will sell at a considerably higher price than $200, and the only things Spyderco accomplishes by selling their sprint runs below market value are (a) shortages, and (b) a secondary market where the knives will be sold at a price that more accurately reflects their value, where a middleman (the flippers) take another cut. There's nothing wrong with flipping, in my opinion, but I do wonder why Spyderco or BHQ wouldn't want that money for itself. Spyderco and BHQ are leaving money on the table for no reason. Anyway, my point here is that you don't always understand why Spyderco does what it does.
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Blade HQ and Spyderco probably sell those knives at reasonable prices so folks like me can buy them. Yeah it's unfortunate that flipper dirt bags glom onto those models also. Suggesting that the pump them out at flipper prices from the get go is ridiculous.

Knives like that Bowie are planned with a finite production life. There's nothing hard to understand about that and if you look back in time over other knives that Spyderco has made like this the same pattern follows. The Tuff would be another good example of a popular but only available on the secondary market.

Not all the collaboration knives become popular after the fact. There is something intangible about that process and it happens with other goods than knives. If anyone cracks that code they're going to get rich.
 
4mer_FMF said:
The the rush on sprints keeps the brand hot, which in the long run is worth more than turning a few extra bucks on a 600-1200 piece run. Same goes for the retailer.

It’s qute a genius move, IMO.
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I've often wondered what percentage of sprint buyers already own the same knife in it's stock configuration. I bet that number is pretty high. So essentially Spyderco is increasing the sales volume for a give design by offering sprints to folks who already own and like the knife.

I agree, that's a genius move. Minimal development and R&D cost but the sprint generates revenue that would never have been captured by the stock knife.
 
Hackenslash said:
I've often wondered what percentage of sprint buyers already own the same knife in it's stock configuration. I bet that number is pretty high. So essentially Spyderco is increasing the sales volume for a give design by offering sprints to folks who already own and like the knife.

I agree, that's a genius move. Minimal development and R&D cost but the sprint generates revenue that would never have been captured by the stock knife.
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I don't & I buy as many sprint runs as I can; I don't buy knives I already have;

I buy to get a proven design that will have a steel that's a bit more exotic than the catalog version.
 
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And here's one more take on these. Knives like the Sylsz Bowie are like produce their popularity is perishable. Combine that with the magpie instinct of knife nuts to want the newest and shiniest thing on the block they'll start to normalize their resale price.
 
Danke42 said:
Blade HQ and Spyderco probably sell those knives at reasonable prices so folks like me can buy them. Yeah it's unfortunate that flipper dirt bags glom onto those models also. Suggesting that the pump them out at flipper prices from the get go is ridiculous.

Knives like that Bowie are planned with a finite production life. There's nothing hard to understand about that and if you look back in time over other knives that Spyderco has made like this the same pattern follows. The Tuff would be another good example of a popular but only available on the secondary market.

Not all the collaboration knives become popular after the fact. There is something intangible about that process and it happens with other goods than knives. If anyone cracks that code they're going to get rich.
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Funny you mention the Tuff. I love the damn thing! So funky. And a folder in 3v! I know I could sell it for way more than I paid, but I bought it to use and enjoy.
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You guys are putting way to much thought/perspective into this. Its simple really, I dont follow spyderco products and I happened to run across the knife and liked the looks. They arent at retailers anymore so Im willing to pay a premium for access to someone who was smart enough to have bought one. Same as anything else be it guns, cars ect.
 
Collaborations are licenses. It's to Spyderco to weigh how much that license is worth.. Or to just eventually offer its own version.

It's up to the consumer to determine whether the Sylsz bowie or the Spyderco Sylsz bowie is worth the money.
 
To me the very best Spyderco keepers are the designs which have been refined over time. In my case that’s the Paramilitary and Endura.
 
Lapedog said:
Crks are knives that get nicer with time and use. They aren’t really designed to have out of the box WOW factor so many people like these days.

I understand they aren’t for everyone.

450$ for a Slysz bowie cause Nick said they were cool? No thanks Just buy a CRK if you want a Ti slab knife.
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I think that because I buy second hand so often most knives I acquire have been flipped five or so million times and are thus thoroughly broken in.

In six years of collecting seriously, I just acquired my first unbridled action. It was a Shiro, brand spanking new and opened maybe two or three times. Was very stiff. I was a bit upset as all the other ones I have recently purchased are the best I've ever experienced. Decided to believe in fairytales again and "break in" my knife. Two dozen openings later and its comparable to my other three.

The break in period is real.
 
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