I've been lusting after Emerson knives!

[HuntBomb]

I have given Emerson knives 2 separate opportunities to earn a spot in my pocket, and i was left severely underwhelmed both times.
Echoing most complaints, I found my CQC 7 and CQC 15 to be worth about half of what I paid brand new.
Emerson needs to play catch-up and realize that soft154-cm is weak sauce for that price point.

 

[Jeru]

The Emerson Horseman was the last tip-up folder I stubbornly tried hoping to get used to tip-up carry. I sold it because I had to finally except (with the inconvenience of missing out on 95% of the awesome folders) that I cannot and will not carry a folder tip-up.

My conclusions of owning one: personally I think Emersons are overpriced and very illogical folders. The locking liner is made out of titanium which will wear, while the opposite non-locking liner is made of steel. Much more logical would be to make this the other way around. I also really didn't like the chiseled edge, especially since it is grounded "for lefties", with the chisel being opposite/illogical grounded (my English vocabulary is limited, I hope you understand what I mean). Also, for that amount of money I want a freaking v-edge! The excuse of "ease of sharpening in the field" is BS, cause the 154CM is already so soft that it is already freaking easy to sharpen, on or with anything. The chisel edge makes it weaker too by the way. Further it squeaked with opening and closing. No matter what I did, I couldn't get that squeak out. It gave the knife the ultimate cheap feeling for me. Emersons are pure fighters and nothing else. Nothing opens faster than an Emerson, designed to save your life. What I did like about the Emerson was that it looked f*cking awesome and that the blade had a gorgeous partial stone wash.

 

[Officer's Match]

I honestly disagree about the "lefty" chisel edge. The way I use mine typically i much prefer the "flat" edge to be on the outboard side of my right hand. By far the most repetitive task for my EDC's is opening packages of paper (I own a small printing shop) and I find the flat side of the blade to be on the side most useful to me - no tendency to gouge into the stock I'm opening.

 

[mmarkh]

You can get a CQC7 or several different minis for that price or slightly less BNIB.

I do have to agree with his choice of steel. He started out with it; got a bunch of it for a very good price, and decided to stay with it. Doesn't compare to most recent steels, but I guess you can always find a rock to sharpen it, if in survival mode.
He could do a lot better for the folks. His knives should either upgrade the steel, or sell for $145 NIB.
Without the "wave" feature, he would be toast and deservedly so. IMO

 

[Smokinape]

So I just went back and read through this thread… there are some real gems in here…

Right out of the gate we have an expert opinion on the steel who makes his opinion known…

Don't forget the shit steel for the price (IMO of course)

Normally I wouldn't call 154cm shit steel either, but with how soft they run it, it can't have good edge retention for the price.

You would think that with conviction like this his opinion with forged with some experience with Emerson knives…

I don't own one

What?!?! Shockingly and alternative is recommended…

for that price, I could own quite a few Tenaciouses with arguably better F&F and a better blade (FFG properly hardened 8cr instead of chisel ground soft 154cm).

Wait, so you have done an analysis on F&F and have premise that can be supported by empirical and anecdotal evidence? We also get some insight on the Mighty Tenacious and it’s superior 8cr13mov heat treat and blade geometry… Fascinating…

Next some business advise is given to Ernest…

If I were Emerson, for the price I would be charging I wouldn't even use 154cm. Maybe CPM-154 hardened to at least 60 HRC.

I would harden 154cm to anything over 59 HRC, is that good for you?

Insightful… Next up is more details about the Mighty Tenacious…

What is proper about the Spyderco's heat treat is that they make their knives optimized for cutting, and therefor even a lowly steel like 8cr is hardened to the proper point of being optimized for cutting ability. Also, I never said Spyderco's heat treat for 8cr was better than Emerson's heat treat for 154cm, as that would be ludicrous to compare two different company's heat treats on different steels.

Oh, when you said…

You're absolutely right about the soft steel being a joke though, 154cm hardened to 57-59 HRC IS a joke.

and

myself and I'm sure many others would prefer a properly hardened FFG 8cr blade to a soft chisel ground 154cm blade.

It came across like you said it was better, my bad…

Of course I don't have experience with Emersons…

You were acting like since I'm not Ernest Emerson my opinion is invalid, I don't think an opinion can be invalid. Of course there's not gonna be fact to back up that I think Emerson's steel is shit, knives are crap, and are way overpriced: those are all subjective. I would just hope that all the Emerson fanboys out there could objectively compare their Emersons relative to what else is on the market, and realize they got ripped off based on the materials, quality, and craftmanship.

Finally, the conclusion…

Strong-Dog would have us believe the he has never owned or experienced an Emerson, but he can unequivocally state the Mighty Tenacious is superior and he basis this on the opinions of others that posted on the internet… He goes on to explain that opinions can’t be invalid (news to me) and that they are subjective. This means that his opinions are subjective and built of the subjective opinions of others, this insulates that counter opinions are invalid after he stated opinions can’t be invalid. Maybe it’s only his opinions which can’t be invalid.

Strong-Dog closes by telling Emerson fans to objectively not subjectively evaluate facts so that they can see that his subjective opinions built on hearsay are correct…

LOL…

 

[Quiet]

Smokinape, you're attacking one guy (which I'm not criticizing as I've attacked others in threads here also, and gotten slapped for it), but yet, your entire premise is that Strong-Dog is wrong for posting his opinions without having owned one.

Well, what about the multiple people in this thread who HAVE owned Emersons, in a few cases, multiple Emersons, who more or less back up the impressions of poor fit/finish, and poor materials at the price point? Are they wrong too? Are those just "opinions built on hearsay"?

 

[Smokinape]

Smokinape, you're attacking one guy (which I'm not criticizing as I've attacked others in threads here also, and gotten slapped for it), but yet, your entire premise is that Strong-Dog is wrong for posting his opinions without having owned one.

Well, what about the multiple people in this thread who HAVE owned Emersons, in a few cases, multiple Emersons, who more or less back up the impressions of poor fit/finish, and poor materials at the price point? Are they wrong too? Are those just "opinions built on hearsay"?

No, they are based off of experience. My issue isn't about knives, its about a know it folks who really are spewing nonsense without knowing...

I could care less if somebody hates Emerson knives. In this case, like I posted earlier this guy's posts are silly...

 

[Quiet]

No, they are based off of experience. My issue isn't about knives, its about a know it folks who really are spewing nonsense without knowing...

I could care less if somebody hates Emerson knives. In this case, like I posted earlier this guy's posts are silly...

But hold on, so it's cool if people who directly experienced issues their Emersons, or who have made frank observations of Emerson knives not matching price up to materials make claims... but others who make those same claims after reading so many of these owners' posts and thus repeat them are just "spewing nonsense"? That logic seems a little off to me.

I mean, I personally am one of those who'll never own an Emerson because of...well, I won't rehash, because I crapped up the last thread we had about Emersons. But suffice it to say that I believe what others are saying about poor fit and finish, materials not in line with what they charge, and so on. Well that, and Emersons' super SWAT spec-ops Ranger SEAL hand-to-hand knife combat fighter (UH!!!!) marketing tactics.

 

[Smokinape]

But hold on, so it's cool if people who directly experienced issues their Emersons, or who have made frank observations of Emerson knives not matching price up to materials make claims... but others who make those same claims after reading so many of these owners' posts and thus repeat them are just "spewing nonsense"? That logic seems a little off to me.

I mean, I personally am one of those who'll never own an Emerson because of...well, I won't rehash, because I crapped up the last thread we had about Emersons. But suffice it to say that I believe what others are saying about poor fit and finish, materials not in line with what they charge, and so on. Well that, and Emersons' super SWAT spec-ops Ranger SEAL hand-to-hand knife combat fighter (UH!!!!) marketing tactics.

Hold on a second Tiger Blood, are you saying that my Emerson isnt a super SWAt spec-ops Ranger SEAL hand-to-hand knife combat fighter?

To your first question, its cool when people present facts or opinions like adults. Refer to post 16 of this thread for troll like behavior that is followed up with nonsense...

 

[Officer's Match]

I fail to see the logic of posting in a thread specifically about a manufacturer of a product that you claim you'll never experience.

I find the F&F of most of the many Emerson's I've owned to be very good to excellent, particularly of late.

 

[Quiet]

Hold on a second Tiger Blood, are you saying that my Emerson isnt a super SWAt spec-ops Ranger SEAL hand-to-hand knife combat fighter?

To your first question, its cool when people present facts or opinions like adults. Refer to post 16 of this thread for troll like behavior that is followed up with nonsense...

LOL Tiger Blood, that is indeed awesome. :thumbup:

I did see the comment about the "shit steel", and while I don't know if 154cm can realistically be called "shit steel" (a little hyperbole perhaps), I do know a lot of cheaper knives use it. Emerson's price-points are off with what they offer, in my opinion, so I'd have to somewhat agree on that score. That said, don't let me stop you from showing Strong-Dog what's what. Anytime an Emerson thread gets rowdy, it's good entertainment!

 

[Smokinape]

LOL Tiger Blood, that is indeed awesome. :thumbup:

I did see the comment about the "shit steel", and while I don't know if 154cm can realistically be called "shit steel" (a little hyperbole perhaps), I do know a lot of cheaper knives use it. Emerson's price-points are off with what they offer, in my opinion, so I'd have to somewhat agree on that score. That said, don't let me stop you from showing Strong-Dog what's what. Anytime an Emerson thread gets rowdy, it's good entertainment!

Lol... I do agree the prices are high but I understand the reasons... Ie. Small US manufacturer. Anyway take care...

 

[Strong-Dog]

So I just went back and read through this thread… there are some real gems in here…

Right out of the gate we have an expert opinion on the steel who makes his opinion known…





You would think that with conviction like this his opinion with forged with some experience with Emerson knives…



What?!?! Shockingly and alternative is recommended…



Wait, so you have done an analysis on F&F and have premise that can be supported by empirical and anecdotal evidence? We also get some insight on the Mighty Tenacious and it’s superior 8cr13mov heat treat and blade geometry… Fascinating…

Next some business advise is given to Ernest…





Insightful… Next up is more details about the Mighty Tenacious…



Oh, when you said…

and



It came across like you said it was better, my bad…



Finally, the conclusion…

Strong-Dog would have us believe the he has never owned or experienced an Emerson, but he can unequivocally state the Mighty Tenacious is superior and he basis this on the opinions of others that posted on the internet… He goes on to explain that opinions can’t be invalid (news to me) and that they are subjective. This means that his opinions are subjective and built of the subjective opinions of others, this insulates that counter opinions are invalid after he stated opinions can’t be invalid. Maybe it’s only his opinions which can’t be invalid.

Strong-Dog closes by telling Emerson fans to objectively not subjectively evaluate facts so that they can see that his subjective opinions built on hearsay are correct…

LOL…

This is a forum for posting your thoughts and opinions, if you don't like mine I really don't give a shit. If you think that opinions can be invalid, I feel sorry for such a close-minded individual. I never said that other people's opinions were invalid, the point of a discussion is to have two sides share their thoughts. It kind of scares me that you would go back through every post I've made in this thread, quote them, then write a bunch of BS all to defend Emersons, but to each his own.

If my opinion is that the Tenacious is the best knife ever made, of course that's subjective. You may think that an Emerson is the best knife ever made, that's also subjective. Opinions have to be subjective, as it's not possible to say for a fact that either of those knives are actually the best ever made; it's impossible.

That's what a forum is, a place to share your opinions and other ideas. I feel sorry for you.

 

[Smokinape]

This is a forum for posting your thoughts and opinions, if you don't like mine I really don't give a shit. If you think that opinions can be invalid, I feel sorry for such a close-minded individual. I never said that other people's opinions were invalid, the point of a discussion is to have two sides share their thoughts. It kind of scares me that you would go back through every post I've made in this thread, quote them, then write a bunch of BS all to defend Emersons, but to each his own.

If my opinion is that the Tenacious is the best knife ever made, of course that's subjective. You may think that an Emerson is the best knife ever made, that's also subjective. Opinions have to be subjective, as it's not possible to say for a fact that either of those knives are actually the best ever made; it's impossible.

That's what a forum is, a place to share your opinions and other ideas. I feel sorry for you.

Scarred that somebody took 5 minutes to write a response on a forum to some mindless trolling drivel?

While you may feel sorry for me, I feel pity for you... Starting with the troll behaviors in post 16, your use of foul language that litters your disjointed thoughts, your poor logic and silly parroting of others opinions while you pretend to be some sort of expert; what are you 15? The Tenacious is a great knife but stating it's the best ever made just highlights how little experience you have, it's more silly behavior, but we have come to expect it... Again, pitiful son..

I also never said that Emersons were the best ever, I will just chalk that up as poor reading comprehension...

 

[pvicenzi]

If a manufacturer sells everything they can produce, then the product is not overpriced. Over priced products sit on dealer's shelves untill they have to be discounted to sell. Emerson knives often have a waiting list.

 

[Yo Mama]

Strong-Dog watch the language, this is a family forum

And don't tell us what a forum is, we know what it is, now either get an Emerson and review it, or your opinion is worthless.

 

[Strong-Dog]

Scarred that somebody took 5 minutes to write a response on a forum to some mindless trolling drivel?

While you may feel sorry for me, I feel pity for you... Starting with the troll behaviors in post 16, your use of foul language that litters your disjointed thoughts, your poor logic and silly parroting of others opinions while you pretend to be some sort of expert; what are you 15? The Tenacious is a great knife but stating it's the best ever made just highlights how little experience you have, it's more silly behavior, but we have come to expect it... Again, pitiful son..

I also never said that Emersons were the best ever, I will just chalk that up as poor reading comprehension...

I said IF my opinion is the Tenacious is the best ever, not that it is. I also said that you MAY think that, not that you did. But by all means, talk about poor reading comprehension more.

I don't pretend to be an expert, I simply think Emersons are crap. If that offends you, then good, fanboy.

 

[Strong-Dog]

Strong-Dog watch the language, this is a family forum

And don't tell us what a forum is, we know what it is, now either get an Emerson and review it, or your opinion is worthless.

Yes, because I'm sure you nor anyone else has ever had an opinion on something they have no hands on experience with.

Also, if you know what a forum is, then why do you pretend to have authority over me or anyone else? I'll use whatever language I want, and if the mods tell me not to, I will no longer use it.

 

[Smokinape]

I said IF my opinion is the Tenacious is the best ever, not that it is. I also said that you MAY think that, not that you did. But by all means, talk about poor reading comprehension more.

I don't pretend to be an expert, I simply think Emersons are crap. If that offends you, then good, fanboy.

Your posts make so little sense it's hard to understand what point you're trying to make.

Also, your constant trolling, foul language use, name calling and taunting is pathetic. It's like a stray dog that comes around for attention that people feed out of pity...

Hopefully your mommy will put you to bed soon and put a stop to this nonsense...

 

[Smokinape]

Strong-Dog watch the language, this is a family forum

And don't tell us what a forum is, we know what it is, now either get an Emerson and review it, or your opinion is worthless.

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