I've seen some stupid-designed serrations lately

My experience with Colt and their serrations is horrendous. I used the knife to cut cloth and the serrations loaded up so quickly that the knife failed to cut through standard cotton cloth.
The 'micro-serrations' are a useless sales gimmick and in real applications they fail miserably.

United cutlery is not even in the same league as Spyderco, their line of Colt knives are Sh*t........
 
SOG has serrations like a Spyderedge. The ones on my Vision are a bit deeper though, but they are sharp points at their apex and cut well. I think a few other brands adopt the one-big two-small effective serration style. I have a Muela Mirage fixed blade with V ground serrations on the spine...all the same width. They cut rather well and I think it was the thickness of the stock that made the Vgrind nessesary.

I am the same age as you Zytif and I came to the realization that United made nothing but cheap steel poop-sticks about 10 years ago. Its not fair that someone who compares Kraton (a rubberized material) to FRN a (ridgid plastic) can be a knife designer and I'm not. I wanna be a knife designer!...no fair.
;) :p
 
Originally posted by wolfmann601
My experience with Colt and their serrations is horrendous. I used the knife to cut cloth and the serrations loaded up so quickly that the knife failed to cut through standard cotton cloth.
The 'micro-serrations' are a useless sales gimmick and in real applications they fail miserably.

United cutlery is not even in the same league as Spyderco, their line of Colt knives are Sh*t........

Yup..Agreed. Quite frankly, I think that it takes some balls to accuse Kit Carson and CRKT of copying that POS Colt folder.
Matt
 
Originally posted by Jazzman
Yup..Agreed. Quite frankly, I think that it takes some balls to accuse Kit Carson and CRKT of copying that POS Colt folder.
Matt

I missed that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just re-read it and coming from a PROCLAIMED knife designer, I found his remark to be arrogant ignorance at it's best.

To insinuate that Kit Carson copied someone else's design and has been denied patent rights is absurd. This from the mouth of a purported knife designer??? Goes well with his comment refgding the effectiveness of the Colt 'micro-serrations' :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Anyone who has used one to cut rope or material knows they suck, and Kit carson copied NO ONE!!!!!!!!!!!1:mad:
 
Zytif: Perhaps there IS a reason why Spydero pinned their blades.
I've seen an "adjusted" Chinook where the pivot pin was taken out, and the blade was removed out of the handle, and then put back. Then the problem begins. The blade didn't have any blade retention and the lockbar is easily disengaged. Turns out the spring have moved out of place and unable to load the lockbar with enough spring power.
This is one of the reason why a manufacturer would want to pin a handle shut so that people won't screw up with it.
Look at Benchmades, sure you could take them apart, but technically, your warranty becomes dust as soon as you disassemble it. I dunno about you, but I rather have a damn nice warranty that Spyderco has instead of taking apart a knife and regretting doing so.
 
"Try stabbing a garbage bag filled with your choice of contents and put a jacket or even better yet put a parka over it. Stab the holy #%*@* out of it then tell me you want a knife with deep toothy serrations for self defense."


:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by RH
What I don't get is that makers do nice double-bevel grinds on plain edge, then only bevel the serrations on one side. Why?

TOTALLY! I LONG for a knife with spyder-edge type serrations that are ground just like the rest of the double-ground blade! What the HELL is the problem?! WHY don't we have these yet?!? Spyderco, Benchmade, PLEASE wake up and see our pleas!

And Spyderco, while I have your attention, PLEASE make dissassemblable knives like Benchmade. We don't always wish to take apart our knives, but we don't like to be locked out of ever doing so. Imagine our CARS came with little seals over all the parts that prevented us from doing our own tinkering! Imagine all the nuts on our wheels were RIVETS! That ain't right! I WANT A DELICA WITH HEX NUTS IN IT! And while you're at it, remake the Copilot with the same!
 
Really I was hoping for comment on serration styles, NOT FLAME WARS ABOUT THE STRENGTH, GRIPPINESS OR QUALITY AND COST OF FIBERGLASS-REINFORCED NYLON RESIN!

The Mission MPS, to get back on topic, has serrations that look like Spyder-edge but backward, put on FACING the knife. It has no points at all, just blunt round bumps. Fine, they may cut "OK," but they will dull, and then how the hell do you sharpen them?! Do you run diamond-impregnated DENTAL FLOSS through the tiny narrow crevices?! Who the hell thought this was a good idea, and why?!
 
I did my part to keep this thread on track. Waddaya expect when someone says a custom knifemaker ripped of United Cutlery. Why thats the sorta statement thats hand crafted to start a flame war hereabouts. Why, its almost like trolling for a response. You know....like trolling for fish. ;)

Well anyways, we wernt all off track and you gotta expect that junk around here. You should ignore it but sometimes you dont so I'm sorry.

Like I just said, i have a fixed blade Muela that had double ground serrations. It is very nice and effective.

The serrations on my Cuda Maxx are also just about identicle to the spyderedge. the nice thing about it is that, even though it is a combo edge it has ample amounts of both types of edges. When I first started readiung these boards I started to develope a irrational hatred towards serrations. It was hard not to with all the arguments against them. but then I was quizing my dad about what knife he'd like for an EDC (he is a knife nut in training). He said he wasnt all high and mighty about serrations and he liked em fine. Then i realized....Hey, i like em ok too. they cut good and look cool, why not. It was the same when i got into thatirrational anti-sebenza mindset. I was all agro and tired of people saying how great it was. So i took my dad to my knife shop and, without examining it myself, showed him a Sebenza saying how everyone loved and praised it like brainwashed zombies. He flicked it open a few times and said, "Hmmm....real solid knife."

So, I snatched it back from him and took a good look, then i understood everyones' comments. Sometimes it pays to get an outside opinion on things.

As far as yours and Zytif's point about the ability to dissassemble spydies...that is a very good point. There are pros and cons either way. Personally I agree with you guys cause I like to tune my knives and take em apart. Part of being a knife nut, I think. But the market aint mostly knife nuts, so i have some compassion for it, spydercos are nice knives.
 
Kraton (rubber) is a superior material to Zytel (fiber-reinforced polymer) yeeeahuh-huh. :rolleyes:

My small CRKT mirage has the reverse serations (rounded cutting edge). I have never resharpened it, but somebody here told me the Sharpmaker would do it just fine.
 
Originally posted by Zytif
....I'd just want to see them switch from FRN to Krayton. Krayton is superior to FRN. I don't care how many chubby checkers there are. FRN sucks compared to Krayton. And Polymide is even worse. Give me aluminum, steel, carbon fiber, Krayton, or G-10...

Hang on just a sec. here, RH got me thinking. Kraton is the grip in the Spydie Pro-Grip. Zytif, you really want a knife with this stuff for the complete handle? How about for the blade also?

Pro-Grip w/ Krayton
 
You talk about Krayton like it's pencil eraser or styro foam. My Gerber Gator's Krayton handle held up fine over the years. It's not as weak as you're picturing it to be. Maybe some knife brands use lower quality Krayton, but the kind Gerber uses is good. It's the best plastic out there for knife handles.

The Gerber Gator is legendary for it's comfortable grip. You can't beat the Gerber Gator's Krayton handle. It's the best plastic/rubber material if you have wet hands, making it the perfect handle material for a river or diving knife.

Krayton: The no-slip durable tacky grip. It's perfect for every situation; tactical, water rescue, cold weather, arctic weather, hot weather, humid weather, warm weather, underwater weather, rain, snow, sand, and whatever else you can think of. It's also perfect for SWAT teams and Police because leather gloves stick to it like velcro. And it doesn't conduct electricity. It is thee superior handle material, above all other handle materials. Period. End of story.
 
peacefuljeffrey :

[mission MPS]

The "teeth" of the serrations are BLUNT -- ROUNDED.

The teeth are not blunt, in fact for slicing they are among the sharpest serrations I have seen as they have the optimal finish, very coarse. The broad points give a very smooth cutting motion while raising the durability for chopping / prying as they are not as fragile as the extreme points. The only low performance attribute is the lack of the points makes the saw / tear like ability (on hard plastics) relatively low.

how the hell would you sharpen those serrations?

With a rod, Mission sells them. I just used a DMT tapered one. They have detailed articles on sharpening on their website.

There are lots of poor performance serrations on the market though. SOG makes the worst I have seen in regards to cutting ability. The ones on the SEAL for example are out cut many times to one by the Mission pattern. McClung's pattern isn't as bad as the SOG one, but isn't very fluid. It is very durable though. Cold Steel makes probably the hardest to sharpen pattern, but it cuts very aggressively and smoothly. The little teeth though are very prone to breaking.

-Cliff
 
Wolfman, those laser cut serrations specifcally say not for use on fibruous material.

It's intersting that some catalogs leave that out.

(And what good are serrations then if I can't use them on stuff. :rolleyes:
 
Personally, I don't like kraton all that much unless it is an inlay like in the spyderco pro-grip. As far as the ultimate grip, I think that skateboard tape inserts like in the MOD knives works alot better and offers a nice contrast to the smooth aluminum.
What do you guys think about the Spyderco 3 step serrations like on the kitchen knives? Any experience?
Matt
 
don't make me get started on Gerber bashing. in 85 folders(slip, back, and liner... all prices) and 15 fixed(and not counting machetes and swords)... I've broken *1* knife. 14yrs and *1*. Gerber Gator.

was using it the same week I bought it(2 days after purchase, nicely sharpened). whittling... and the pivot gave out... just *snap* and the lock didn't want to work, jammed open.

it found it's way into the bush, and for all I know it's either gathering rust for the last yr or so, or has been pulled out and repaired. personally I didn't feel it was worth the cost to haul it back out and send in.
 
Originally posted by scar1
"Try stabbing a garbage bag filled with your choice of contents and put a jacket or even better yet put a parka over it. Stab the holy #%*@* out of it then tell me you want a knife with deep toothy serrations for self defense."
:rolleyes:

Why did you put the rolling eyes smilie behind that quote?

Ummmm.... I'm gonna go out on a limb here, 'cause I agree exactly with what the origional poster said. Not on *everything* he said, mind you, just that part about deep serrations and defensive use. I tried using a Spyderco Police (? it was a gift) for hunting several times. I gave it a fair shake, guys; I honestly did. But those damned serrations just completely sucked for what I was doing. I can see where they'd work on something like a rope on a cutting board, where you can hold the rope stationary and rip it apart like a saw. But when you gotta make short, quick, slashes at a mobile target, or try to stab, those serrations hang up and prevent penetration. If someone had told me this several years ago, I would have also rolled my eyes. But then I actually did (or rather tried to do) it several times. A sharp straight edge EASILY outperforms a sharp deeply serrated edge on slashes and stabs against living flesh. No contest.
 
his method of testing is oh, a little off. yeah, lets dress up garbage bags and ruin parkas to see just how hung up a serrated edge can get. :rolleyes: i'd rather give an old parka to goodwill than stab holes in it to prove my serrated knives catch on clothing. silly.
 
Originally posted by scar1
his method of testing is oh, a little off. yeah, lets dress up garbage bags and ruin parkas to see just how hung up a serrated edge can get. :rolleyes: i'd rather give an old parka to goodwill than stab holes in it to prove my serrated knives catch on clothing. silly.

Who said I actually did that? You're imagining things now. You're the SILLY one. What'd you do take my advice? Is your wife (or husband?) all pissed off at you now because you ruined their jacket? I've never once in my life stabbed a jacket or parka. I thought the desciption of it would spark enough imagination in the reader, but I guess with some people that doesn't come easy. Can't you just picture the effects? I guess not...:rolleyes: Stab anything with deep toothy serrations. Hell, try an old rotten pumpkin covered in wet newspaper and you'll get similar effects. You'll get a knife with pieces of whatever you've stabbed stuck to the blade making a speedy second stab more difficult. Then try stabbing the old rotten useless pumpkin with a plain edge dagger. Then my little forum friend you will see the light.
 
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