Ivory and 'knife rights'?

We aren't really talking about knives here so I'm moving this to Feedback.
 
That's why they're called "Progressives" - they take just one seemingly irrelevant right, then they PROGRESS to the other rights, which are seemingly more "relevant," but by then it's too late! ALL rights, liberties, and freedoms must be preserved, or they will all be lost... eventually.
 
All elephants die, eventually, right?
Seriously, though, the push behind current legislation efforts is driven by money. Nothing brings in donations like "save the elephants".
 
ncrockclimb said:
Once again, this is not a "General Knife Discussion." This is about ivory and politics.

I have outlined this before in other threads. This is actually a very simple issue.

The greatest threat to elephants is poaching. Poachers kill elephants and sell the tusks to the global illegal ivory industry.

The US is the #2 market for the trade in ivory. Intermixed with the “legal trade” is a significant market for illegal ivory. This is documented by multiple sources and the USFW agrees with this.

It is extremely difficult to differentiate legally acquired ivory from ivory derived from elephant poaching. (Again, this is the position of the USFW.) The creation of loopholes for "pre ban", mammoth, ivory from legal hunts, etc., makes it easier for the illegal ivory industry to operate.

EVERY major group (without a financial interest in the ivory trade) working to protect the elephants recommends a total ban on the sale and trade of ivory. Knife Rights and the rest of the pro-ivory lobby do not.

Eradicating the second largest market for ivory in the world (the US) WILL NOT increase demand for ivory. Instead, it will decrease demand and increase the cost for the illegal ivory trade to do business.

Continuing the trade of ivory and ownership of knives are not the same issue. Knife ownership has zero negative externalizes. Continuing the ivory trade contibutes to the killing of the few remaining elephants. It is readily apparent that Knife Rights values the continued sale of ivory in the US higher than the slaughter of elephants. To me and many other knife owners, this is abhorrent. That is the reason I will not give knife rights another penny.

I have tried to have a fact based conversation about these issues with some of the pro-ivory folks in other threads. Unfortunately, with an absence of data and facts to support their position, the pro-ivory posters simply ignore the facts and resort to ad hominem attacks, emotion and fallacy to justify their position. With that in mind, debate about this topic is a waste of time. I would encourage those that are interested in learning more about this to do your own research and not blindly accept Knife Rights and the posters making a living working with ivory as a source of factual information.
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Well, my friend, you are long winded and very ill informed, and to quote you further………."I would encourage those that are interested in learning more about this blah, blah blah. Why is it the "facts" presented by the USFW carry so much weight and the facts from the Organizations being supported by Knife Rights and a host of top knife makers lack credibility in your eyes. Your statement that the US is the #2 market for trade in ivory is flawed as no new ivory has been imported for several years, but alas your are right. A debate with you is pointless.

@Bitfiend, your post following is right on the money!!!

Paul
 
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drrickso said:
I just hope the ban prevents the mammoth from going extinct... then it's worth it.
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