Jerry Busse makes a bushcraft blade?

[Cpl Punishment]

Not I bro.....I read your post, and everyone elses. A few times as a matter of fact.

IMO, INFI is better is a matter of opinion. I find A2 better. Easier to sharpen, and stain resistent to a certain degree, and never had a chipping issue. Plus Ive never had a dull BRKT come from the factory. I have had INFI come dull, with a super thick grind that just plain sucked for woodwork.

I'll still disagree. INFI is better. I think it'd be more accurate to say that most people won't use a knife in such a way that the superior properties of INFI will be noticed, so it doesn't matter to them. I've never had any more trouble sharpening INFI with bench stones and strops -- same as I do A2/O1/1095/5160, etc.

I'll give you the sometimes poor sharpening from Busse. I've had some come really sharp and some dull as hell.

As I said, Busse is just a knife. If people dont like it beacause its Busse, thats their right. A knife is a personal choice. Good for some, not so much for others. I have owned a few and actually used em, sometimes hard. I noticed 0 differance in INFI that I couldnt get from a well heat treated po boy steel. However, im not prying car doors, or chipping bricks. My BRKT gunny will do everything bushcraft related that the Busse will do. Minus batoning, a Mora will too.

OK, but realize that bushcraft is not the intended purpose of most of his blades. Busse Combat, not Busse Bushcraft. It's like saying an M60 is a poor squirrel gun. Well, yes, but that's not what it was meant for. On the other hand, most of them CAN be used for such.

The Hellrazor:

Has to be one of the most obviously combat-oriented blades there is. Yet, when I thought out of the box, and tried it in bushcraft, I find it works quite well.

Thick spines? That matters only depending on the rest of the geometry. Take the Fusion Battle Mistress:

Yep, it has a 1/4" spine. BUT, if you measure the thickness of the blade at the same height as the total height of an Aurora, they are nearly the same, with the Aurora being slightly thicker.

Often the difference between what you get from the factory and what makes it a good woods blade is sharpening the factory toothy edge to a more polished edge -- with the same bevel angle.

I dont care if people like Busse, I dont care if they dont, what gets me is the cult like status in the knife industry. How the fanboys come out of the woodwork defending the blades and maker they choose to use, and dogpiling those who dont like what they like, or see what they see. Lots of companies get this. BRKT, ESEE, Becker, Busse......My thing is use what you like, and if you dont like it, pass it up. However dont jump on people saying they are haters(not you as much as others), because they disagree with what they see, and their opinions of the Manufacturer, and the price point, or what they see as good features and not so good features of a bushcraft knife.[/QUOTE]

I have a feeling there'd be less dogpiling from the Pros if there was less dogpiling from the Antis.

Time and time again I see people post expensive knives, and the response is often "Man, that's really nice, but too rich for my blood." and leave it at that.

Post a Busse and some people respond like that, but then the Antis come and go on a tirade about how much they cost, how much they hate the business model, they don't like the names he gives them, etc.

I used to think the reaction of the Props to be over the top, but after seeing the crap thrown at them all the time (even on the Busse forum itself), I think they're just sick of hearing the same crap, no matter how often it's explained why things are done the way they are done. Ya kind of have to expect that they'll be throwing some back.

And let's face it, on the manufacturer's forums, people beat their chests about how great the knives are. On this forum they beat their chests about how great their skills are. Unless they sharpened some piece of scrap steel they got for free, wrapped a handle with a discarded ball of twine and make a duct tape sheath with a pocket to hold their smooth stone from the river, they paid more than they had top for their knife. After that, it's just a matter of scale of how MUCH more they paid.

 

[AC_Doctor]

Busse makes some great knives, but a large majority of them have very thick blades that are heavy, which would kind of leave them out of some survival circumstances...

AC

 

[LMT66]

Busse makes some great knives, but a large majority of them have very thick blades that are heavy, which would kind of leave them out of some survival circumstances...

AC

Which was the point of the OP's post. It was just a heads up that Busse currently has a knife that may appeal to those who post here.

 

[Guyon]

Some folks have seen (or just heard about) one fat Busse blade with a thick beveled edge, and they assume they know everything about Busse knives.

Busse makes some great knives, but a large majority of them have very thick blades that are heavy, which would kind of leave them out of some survival circumstances...

AC

See what I mean? I don't even think AC read the original post. He just saw "Busse" and decided to throw in his two cents that Busses are too thick/heavy for outdoor survival.

Frankly, I don't know if I agree with "large majority" when it comes to the smaller (4" and less) models. Though thick versions exist, there are also some nice, thin Game Wardens, Mean Streets, Meaner Streets, Active Duties, Cultelli, Badger III's, Boss Streets, and so on.

 

[Rick Marchand]

See what I mean? I don't even think AC read the original post. He just saw "Busse" and decided to throw in his two cents that Busses are too thick/heavy for outdoor survival.

Frankly, I don't know if I agree with "large majority" when it comes to the smaller (4" and less) models. Though thick versions exist, there are also some nice, thin Game Wardens, Mean Streets, Meaner Streets, Active Duties, Cultelli, Badger III's, Boss Streets, and so on.

:thumbup: Don't get me started.:foot:

 

[Guyon]

Here's what I meant... The majority of knives may be thicker "combat-proof" versions. But if you look at most every smaller model Busse made, they offered it in an "Anorexic" or "Lean" or "Skinny" version. Here's my original Lean Mean, which I think is a fine outdoors blade, choil and talon hole notwithstanding.

 

[riddleofsteel]

Cutting is a three legged stool.

1. Steel
2. Heat treatment
3. Blade geometry and grind

If any one of the legs are short the stool wobbles.

Up until recently Busses, IMHO, needed thought on number 3 even though they seem to have mastered 1 and 2.

I look forward to seeing a Busse with a sane blade geometry and grind along with the legendary INFI goodness.

 

[Guyon]

Cutting is a three legged stool.

1. Steel
2. Heat treatment
3. Blade geometry and grind

If any one of the legs are short the stool wobbles.

Up until recently Busses, IMHO, needed thought on number 3 even though they seem to have mastered 1 and 2.

I look forward to seeing a Busse with a sane blade geometry and grind along with the legendary INFI goodness.

+1. I was one of the folks shouting the loudest for a skinny Boss Street without a choil. I think that a very vocal core of advocates, along with a lot of others chiming in, helped convince Jerry to go without a choil on this model, and I was most happy to see him go with a flat instead of sabre grind.

Though I must say, I've never minded the grind or geometry on this .14" Game Warden. I've packed this little sucker all over the place.

 

[KuRUpTD]

^ that pic is making me very hungry if nothing else

 

[Guyon]

I think that was car camping at Rock Island State Park. Gorgeous waterfalls there. :thumbup:

 

[Rick Marchand]

That pic with the grub is just plain mean, Guyon........ I like you 17% less and I'm 43% hungrier than I was, 3 minutes ago.


Rick

 

[riddleofsteel]

I liked my Game Warden to after I had it reground. It would not even cut a cardboard box before that. After one entire evening at the stones and hone with no success I sent it to Mike Stewart at Bark River. He re-profiled it to a thinner convex grind and it cut like an INFI razor.

I carried it a lot after that.
:thumbup:

 

[Guyon]

I liked my Game Warden to after I had it reground. It would not even cut a cardboard box before that. After one entire evening at the stones and hone with no success I sent it to Mike Stewart at Bark River. He re-profiled it to a thinner convex grind and it cut like an INFI razor.

I carried it a lot after that.
:thumbup:

I know what you mean. Some of the thicker models were just nutty. The ones worth the trouble (to me) were the thinnest (.14") versions in satin. I keep mine crazy sharp with just my Sharpmaker.

 

[Guyon]

One last note and I'll leave this one alone. Despite what my contentions above may suggest, it's not the Kool Aid or the highway with me. I'm just here to spread love and world peace.

I like knives, period. As for bushcraft blades, I often carry Moras. I love my little plastic handled Marttiini 571; it's always in my pack. I carry a Koster Bushcrafter with frequency. I just ordered the new Dozier Bushcraft blade this past summer. Andy at Fiddleback Forge is making me a Recluse.

But I don't discount the smaller Busses just because some of the knives are thick. Many of the thin ones are nice, functional blades.

 

[desmobob]

I have a feeling there'd be less dogpiling from the Pros if there was less dogpiling from the Antis.

Time and time again I see people post expensive knives, and the response is often "Man, that's really nice, but too rich for my blood." and leave it at that.

Post a Busse and some people respond like that, but then the Antis come and go on a tirade about how much they cost, how much they hate the business model, they don't like the names he gives them, etc.

I used to think the reaction of the Props to be over the top, but after seeing the crap thrown at them all the time (even on the Busse forum itself), I think they're just sick of hearing the same crap, no matter how often it's explained why things are done the way they are done. Ya kind of have to expect that they'll be throwing some back.

I agree with you. I also think there's a strong "sour grapes" kind of attitude among those who can't make themselves part with the money for a Busse. It's puzzling that you don't get that reaction when mentioning Randalls or the like.

I also agree on INFI being superior to many other popular blade steels. Sometimes, the performance difference between steels is subtle. One only has to watch a number of the knife destruction tests by Noss to see some not-too-subtle-at-all differences.

I am not a big Busse fan or Busse collector or Busse fan boy. But in my "collection" (I hesitate to pick that word because I use all of my knives) of knives of many brands, I have accumulated ten different Busses. I have some thick Busses and some thin Busses and like them all. I'm excited about another Busse model that will make an excellent all-around user, like the Busse BAD I especially enjoy. I have a C.A.B.S. on order....

Stay sharp,
desmobob

 

[banana-clip]

Im looking forward to getting mine. I think it will make a great bushcraft knife.

 

[desmobob]

After reading through this thread, the one thing (well, three, actually) that stays foremost in my mind is...






...scrambled eggs, bacon, and cheese.



It's almost bed time and now I'm hungry, damn it, Guyon!
Maybe I'll get out my Busse Game Warden and cut up some snack food!

Stay sharp,
desmobob

 

[Cpl Punishment]

Yeah, that picture was just wrong. . .

 

[PayetteRucker]

Interested to see how practical the grind is on this Howling Rat LM, with a 3/16ths saber grind. It may get the good ol' buff-out-the-microbevel scandification

 

[j williams]

I totally agree. I think that any good heat treated steel will stack up just fine in terms of normal bushcraft use. The place where I have seen a difference is in some of the larger chopping knives I own. INFI does impress me in terms of delivering a beating (on wood... I'm not one of these "Let's pretend I'm breaking out of prison while wearing a hockey mask" types) and keeping a good edge.



Again, I agree. I would add that knee-jerk ANTIs are just as bad. Some folks have seen (or just heard about) one fat Busse blade with a thick beveled edge, and they assume they know everything about Busse knives. Breathe a word about Busses, and the "sharpened pry bar" and "Kool Aid" comments start flowing fast. The ANTIs are just as much of a cult as fans of different companies.

The OP was just trying to deliver some info about the option of a thin, no choil Busse in a "bushcraft" size--not crank up the anti-Busse attitudes. I, for one, am happy to see Jerry come out with this knife. Folks clamored for it, and he's delivering. I think it'll be a fun and functional blade. I also already know that the quilted micarta handles are some of the most comfortable in the Busse lineup, and the warranty is among the best in the business.

Well said Guyon. :thumbup: