JMH-1776 Very Bad...and also Adolescent!

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Hi gang,

I wanted to post about my recent experience (and my first bad deal on BF) with JMH-1776, a FNG at large.

I'll make it quick, Bottom Line - I replied to a post saying that I would purchase a Dozier (offered by JHM-1776) at 7:05 PM Friday Night. Didn't hear back from him that night or the next day but I didn't panic. When I sent a second message to JMH-1776 Saturday night asking about the Deal he replied the knife had been sold. I was curious, so I emailed a fellow member C4 (who had also replied to Mr Hughe's post on BF Saturday morning) to see if he had purchased the Dozier. C4 forwarded a message from JMH-1776 date/time of Saturday 15th @ 10:51 am in which JMH stated to him that the knife was still available.

Acting on C4's good advice, I didn't jump to conclusions, I simply sent JMH an email explaining how BF usually works and that I had posted/replied first (I copied C4 on this message). I then asked if we could work it out and explained that I still wanted the knife for the price he quoted me.

When he replied to both C4 and I, John didn't acknowledge the time difference of the emails or explain his motivation for pulling a stunt like this, nor did he try to work out the deal - he began by being very defensive and ended with calling us names.

All the emails are still on file and can & will be posted if the need presents itself. Basically, I'm pissed - but I'll live. And I guess since this is my first time getting Screwed over on BF I'm not a Virgin anymore.
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Marine Sniper Motto:
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check out the long DISSertation he has posted at the bottom of the listing of blades he has/had for sale.....be careful hillbill now that you just freshly lost your virginity everyone will think you are "easy" and like being a ****...lol!....feverdoc
 
You can't necessarily go by the first post rule. Some folks,myself included at times email first especially if we have a reason for a little privacy.

I am not sure I agree with the "rule" of being first to post. I have sold many knives here and I usually take the first person over 18 who agrees to buy the knife, the post not withstanding. There are many things that can happen via email, delays, time zones, etc.

I think the buying and selling here works incredibly well all things considered and it doesn't seem worth posting here after one deal that didn't work out especially if it didn't cost you a dime or you haven't lost a knife.

just chalk it up to one bad deal. Now the 3 of you look a bit foolish and if this guy was in dire straits for quick cash your frustrations don't seem nearly as important.

This whole GBU thing is turning into little grudge matches.

I think folks should post here if someone steals their money or knives or blantantly ripped them off and someone somewhere lost out financially.

This is my $0.02.

Life's short, don't worry about it.

Regards,
 
This has happened to meat least 10 times since I have been on the forums.No big thing.
You don't always know what is going on with the guy who is doing the selling.Not EVERYONE on the forums posts on the forums and then emails the person.Sometimes theyemail first.
Whatever.
Questioning someones integrity is very serious business.
Hillbillenigma: Semper Fi
R Morgan USMC 60-64
RVN 61-62

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have a"knife"day
 
I wanted to post about my recent experience (and my first bad deal on BF) with JMH-1776, a FNG at large.
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Hillbillenigma,

Where is the "bad deal? Just because you post to a thread doesn't constitute a firm sale to you.

I don't see where he took you for a ride that made you lose $$, a valuable object nor your pride.

And why does he have to be a FNG at large? ? ?

Just my opinion ~ this thread is TOTALLY OFF BASE AND UNNECESSARY on your part! ! !

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[This message has been edited by GigOne (edited 07-16-2000).]
 
GigOne - It's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

To all - As I stated in my original Post, and the facts remain the same, I answered a Post, this guy emailed me back with a price, I replied that I would take the offer. 12 hours later he emails another Forum member and states the knife is still for Sale, shortly after that he replies to my original message and states the knife is Sold. After cordial attempts to ascertain what had happened I received SH** for an answer.

I could give a Rat's A** about the knife, or who purchased it, but I will not sit idly by and accept being blatantly lied to. And I would hope that others would not accept such behavior.

As I stated before, I'm pissed - but I'll get over it. Scratching the Wound only makes it Bleed more.

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Marine Sniper Motto:
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Scratching the Wound only makes it Bleed more.
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Than why did you post here?

I notice in the for sale section you had lots of "mail" regarding your R1 but no replies to your post. If the knife sells via email are you going to make the person post on the forum? If you don't you may be in the same boat.

Not trying to scratch your wound but I think you're the one who is off base here.

Sincerely,

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Kodiak Alaska
 
I don't think this post you made was even necessary,he might have had this for sale on more than one site and maybe he received an offer on the knife before you had sent an e-mail to committ.Even if what you say is exactly what happened,where does it say he is obiligated to sell it to you?Maybe between the time he e-mailed you a price and your response via e-mail,someone may have e-mailed to purchase it before you.I really don't see where you were injured,and if you feel you got the shaft,don't deal with him anymore.I don't see how anyone is required to take anyone's purchase offer.Suppose I'm not familiar with you,don't know if I could trust you?I don't need the hassle of a sour deal going down.I have an offer from someone I've done business with before,I could give a rats ass who's e-mail got to me first!I'm gonna sell it to who the hell I want and comfortable with and I'm gonna look for the the person I'm probably gonna have the least problems with.If you don't like that philosophy don't reply to my f/s posts either,what can I tell ya! Sorry if this response sounds cruel or pisses ya off,but I really can't stand the people running over to the good,bad and ugly section,and trampling someones name through the dirt because they're a big cry baby.Where did you get screwed?This forum should be used responsably,because of the damage it may cause.Did you e-mail Spark or Mike to ask their opinion before going on a cruasade to destroy someones rep?You didn't even give this guy the benefit of the doubt that something might have gone down with his e-mail or other endless reasons.Look he didn't sell ya the knife,get over it,it will happen more than once.Chow,Ralph
 
Thanks for bringing up those points Ralph. As far as going to Mike or Spark, I guess I've read too many posts where they stated that they were very tired of acting as referees in disputes, so I didn't go there. Maybe there were problems with JMH's email , but as I've said before, all he had to do was to say so. I'm like you Ralph, I'm tired of seeing people do alot of things and one is to jump on the BandWagon going by and make judgements about people base on a situation they weren't even involved in. I'ts amazing how a person can be involved with something so good as BF, be a contributing honest member, but when he has a problem or posts a concern the Critics are close at hand to spell out where he went so infallably wrong. It's always much easier to critisize than to help resolve. I won't let this spoil my relationship with BF, but I do think I have learned some valuable information.
Thanks for the opportunity to speak my mind. I fought for it so I appreciate it.


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This is true,as most times I don't like jumping on the bandwagon.Also true is that none of us are even involved in the situation.However when you do bring it out into the open forum,people are going to post their opinion,and in some cases critisize both parties.He may bare some reasponsability,but nothing he did was so terrible that it was worth lashing out at him on a forum such as this.This forum should be used as a last resort,if someone got ripped off etc.I guess I'm saying as are other people think a bit and cool off before making the G,B U post,to make sure there are facts and not emotions being posted,and remember just like on Jerry Springer show,if you don't want someone minding your private business,don't air it.Everybody learns from BF,and not everyone is perfect,most of us our very forgiving.Mistakes happen and as long as people learn from it,including myself,that what is important.So lets just say everything looks settled here.Just My two cents,Ralph
 
Originally posted by Hillbillenigma:
Hi gang,

I wanted to post about my recent experience (and my first bad deal on BF) with JMH-1776, a FNG at large.

I'll make it quick, Bottom Line - I replied to a post saying that I would purchase a Dozier (offered by JHM-1776) at 7:05 PM Friday Night. Didn't hear back from him that night or the next day but I didn't panic. When I sent a second message to JMH-1776 Saturday night asking about the Deal he replied the knife had been sold. I was curious, so I emailed a fellow member C4 (who had also replied to Mr Hughe's post on BF Saturday morning) to see if he had purchased the Dozier. C4 forwarded a message from JMH-1776 date/time of Saturday 15th @ 10:51 am in which JMH stated to him that the knife was still available.

Acting on C4's good advice, I didn't jump to conclusions, I simply sent JMH an email explaining how BF usually works and that I had posted/replied first (I copied C4 on this message). I then asked if we could work it out and explained that I still wanted the knife for the price he quoted me.

When he replied to both C4 and I, John didn't acknowledge the time difference of the emails or explain his motivation for pulling a stunt like this, nor did he try to work out the deal - he began by being very defensive and ended with calling us names.

All the emails are still on file and can & will be posted if the need presents itself. Basically, I'm pissed - but I'll live. And I guess since this is my first time getting Screwed over on BF I'm not a Virgin anymore.
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THANKS TO ALL WHO HAVE COME TO MY DEFENSE. The knife in question, along with the rest in the post have been for sale here in my hometown for 3 weeks before I posted them here. The knife in question was purchased by email. The purchaser happens to be a BF member. I certainly would not mention his/her name without his/her permission. That sale was private business between the purchaser and myself. I am sorry if C4 and hillbillenigma got their feelings hurt. It was not my intention to hurt anyone's feelings, only to sell the knives. I did call them "girls" and "children" after they took it upon themselves to question my honesty. In their defense, I am a new guy and hillbillenigma did post first with a question not an offer of purchase. The knife sold in an email I did not have chance to open before I started answering his email questions. I stated this to him in an email and he was not satisfied and brought C4 into the equation. Why? Only he/they know. All the rest of the emails, too many to count, were answering questions of theirs and some heated banter back and forth. Again, I am sorry if I hurt their feelings. I am sort of short on feelings myself right now. THANKS TO ALL WHO OBVIOUSLY UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE SITUATION THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN. JMH-1776
 
Apology Accepted For me this is a closed matter.

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Subject:
FYI Re: Dozier on bfc....
Date:
Sun, 16 Jul 2000 00:08:51 -0400
From:
Michael Cullen <culmic@c4.net>
Organization:
Cullen Construction Co.
To:
The Patriot john hughes <exp1776@webtv.net>
References:


John,

You are new to posting on BFC.... It is a great place.... but it seems that
you have pissed of this guy Hillbilly. He just sent me a bunch of emails
because he thought that you had sold me the Dozier. I sent you copies of
several of my replies to him.

My suggestion is that: if you still have the knife, offer it to him first. He
was the first to post that he wanted it. If it is sold, let him know what
happened and post that the knife has been sold on your for sale post.

This forum works on reputation, integrity and honesty. We all made a few
mistakes when new.

Let me know what happens,
Michael (C4)

Above is the imfamous email that got me called a "girl" and "child". I never cared about the knife or who got it. I was only trying to pass on the communication tips that fellow BFC members had clued me in on. When John first replied, I had no idea of his personal circumstances or the strain he must be under (that would explain a lot).

I am happy to see that John has softened his tone and I wish him the best in finding his daughter.

That ends it for me.

Michael

PS: I might even buy a knife if I thought it would help in his quest...



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I think the seller has the right to sell to whom he sees fit. Just because you post first does not mean squat. I will try remember to put this in my post to the for sale items.

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Originally posted by beam:
I think the seller has the right to sell to whom he sees fit. Just because you post first does not mean squat. I will try remember to put this in my post to the for sale items.
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Just wondering...does that mean that you can "auction" your knife on the individual forums, which means you'll take offers until you find the one you like even if you post a price? A guy named Haohan or HanHao tried this with some balisongs or something and it got him some backlash. That guy sort of got away with it because he was new to BFC.
 
I was going to let this die a slow death, but it seems that a lot of BFC members like to speak on things that they have only part of the facts on. Life is not always black and white, as some of you seem to see it.

Before you all keep on posting, why don't you try to get the facts straight.

The biggest problem with this whole thing was communication.

JMH-1776 (John) posted his knives twice (by accident?). He got, and answered, an offer by Hillbilly (Vince) on Friday evening. He answered a post by me on Saturday morning offering the same knife to me. The Dozier was then sold to someone else. I received mail from Vince asking if I had been sold the Dozier. I emailed him (CC to John) and said he should just ask John what happened. I then emailed John (see above) and got a wise ass reply.

The reply doesn't seem that wise ass now that John has explained what he is going through. Vince is OK with loosing the knife. I'm pretty OK with being offered a "sold" knife and being called names.

This is supposed to be a "community". If a guy that is hunting for his daughter isn't allowed some slack, than what is this really about?

The whole issue of who should have first shot at a knife might be a great topic in any of these forums, but I don't think it should keep coming up under John's name.

This miscommunication (I believe) has been resolved to the best of our abilities. Start a new thread if you want to harp on this!

Michael

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Amen, C4. Let's stop beating a dead horse, and let this go away. And best wishes to JMH 1776 on his quest for his daughter.
 
As long as you don't tell someone "Sure you can have it" then turn around and sell it to someone else, we don't have a problem.

Sellers are entitled to sell to whomever they want, at whatever price they want. If they renege on a deal, however, then they should be prepared to deal with the consequences.

Posting first in a thread doesn't guarantee you the knife. Emailing first doesn't guarantee you the knife. Nothing guarantees you the knife until you both have agreed on the price and terms of sale - End of story.

Spark

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