Just Asking. What’s Up With Everything “Bushcraft” Nowadays?

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bikerector said:
This is really the answer I figured you were getting at, just not a fan of some technology improvements. That's fine, more for me.

Well, the education wasn't useful but I'm sure glad you almost tried to be nice about it.
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Technological improvement in this case does not give you any advantage. Better steel doesn't make you any better at whatever you are doing when in the woods. Its the person holding the knife that needs updating. A person with good outdoor skills and a cheap carbon steel blade can do so much more than a person with no skills and the best knife ever.
In fact, having a knife thats "technologically improved" can be a detriment at times. There are many who would prefer a knife in the latest bestest super steel that hold its edge forever, but unfortunately that doesn't exist. There are steels that in controlled conditions will hold an edge after cutting X amount of rope or through a 2x4 or a pig carcass. However, there are many things out there that will destroy the edge on the best steel in a second. What then? Those steels can be quite difficult to sharpen out in the woods. Makers like Becker, Esee, Ontario and others have known this along......and they offer some of the most reliable blades going....
So, if you are just a weekend warrior playing at being Tarzan and will be putting your shiny new knife back in the safe on Sunday night, sure, go ahead and buy a knife made of the latest super steel of the month that you can polish up and resharpen on your laser guided precision grinder. However, if you need a real working knife there are many more important things to worry about other than what kind of steel your knife is made of, like if you suddenly really need to use it, can you? Will your cold fingers feel like they are falling off after an hour of whacking branches to make a shelter and fire when you are lost in the woods? Is the steel easy to resharpen after you hit the dirt a few times? Will it be too heavy, or not balanced, will the blade fail because the temper is no good? Only after you have resolved this and probably a lot more should you worry about what steel you want in your knife.

Also, "this is how we have always done it" is quite relevant here. Nothing has really changed, the skillsets are still the same. A new knife with a new type of steel changes nothing. its just that there are a lot more things that should take priority ahead of steel.
 
Quiet said:
normal fixed blade knife
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What does this even mean ? Normal to whom, for what . :confused:

Including the many very thin bladed kitchen knives ?

Some knives are probably better than others for the woods , especially for hard use .

Depending on what you want to be able to accomplish . IMO ,YMMV .

Is every fixed blade as good as every other for heavy chopping ? Etc.

Is it just too much fun to argue about nothing much ?
shane45-1911 said:
Tactical bushcraft. :)
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Just because a term like "bushcraft" ( or tactical , combat , field , hunting , camping, survival etc) is misused for sales , does not invalidate its meaning .
 
DocJD said:
Just because a term like "bushcraft" ( or tactical , combat , field , hunting , camping, survival etc) is misused for sales , does not invalidate its meaning .
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It does when its overused and applied to anything even remotely connected to outdoor activities........
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In regards to super steels, this beauty in Magnacut has done a pretty amazing job. It's pretty hard, and will likely need a bit of extra attention on diamonds when it needs sharpened.

The thing is, is that it is still a laser. It has not had any edge deformation that many of my other knives would have picked up in 1095 or similar. Heck, even my S110v knives nicked with less work done with them.

New technologies have value, and certainly offer benefits in some cases.

Thanks again Richard338 Richard338 !
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I know this is not really relevant to the conversation. I just wanted to show it off.

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Sibyrnes said:
How sad to go through life with a view like that.
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Its not sad, it’s realistic. we are teetering on the brink of total collapse. It’s inevitable.
K.O.D. said:
I agree, unless you have a good amount of land, you aren't going to "live of the land."

My sister has 800 acres of farm land in west Texas. My cousin has 7 acres with chickens, rabbits, and sheep. They can "survive" if need be.
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In theory yes they could. But they will be overwhelmed by invaders. The land could not support the number if people it would take to defend it.
 
I don't have a problem with the word "bushcraft" and I certainly don't have any problem with people "bushcrafting". Get outside and use your knife (any knife....for anything).....it doesn't get much better than that for a knife enthusiast.

Clearly the term has been around a LONG time, and the activity that inspired it, much longer. Obviously since the dawn of the cutting edge.

The things that I particularly take issue with are:

1. The idea that there is a "bushcraft" knife that incorporates certain features that make it such, AND it is deliberately marketed that way for sales, often(usually) at increased price to a base model or similar basic utility blade from their own or other makers lineups.

And, often related

2. The sales pitch that this "bushcraft" knife is 'far superior at' or 'cuts better than' another knife that isn't a "bushcraft" knife.

I've been in the knife game a long time now and this isn't a new discussion on knife forums. But I have personally witnessed both points 1 and 2 on several occasions. Some in the custom/handmade arena are responsible for propagating/perpetuating a significant portion of points 1 and 2 but they don't like to admit or talk about the bitter truth of it.

But that is, IMO, part of the reason this discussion is happening now.
 
DocJD said:
What does this even mean ? Normal to whom, for what . :confused:

Including the many very thin bladed kitchen knives ?

Some knives are probably better than others for the woods , especially for hard use .

Depending on what you want to be able to accomplish . IMO ,YMMV .

Is every fixed blade as good as every other for heavy chopping ? Etc.

Is it just too much fun to argue about nothing much ?



Just because a term like "bushcraft" ( or tactical , combat , field , hunting , camping, survival etc) is misused for sales , does not invalidate its meaning .
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Normal as in normal. I would think that's clear. Standard blade shapes, standard grinds.
 
Arathol said:
Technological improvement in this case does not give you any advantage. Better steel doesn't make you any better at whatever you are doing when in the woods
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That is all objectively false.

Take two people with equal skills. One has shit tier steel not suited for the environment the other has something very good.

The person with the better materials will be able to get more done more efficiently.


That literally disproves your entire comment. Like I said to the other guy no need to be rude and disrespectful to everyone on here. Not sure why the mods even allow you to post as I have seen you get emotional and start saying rude things on more than one occasion.

Your entire posting career here at blade forums is making fallacious arguments and being disrespectful to other users.
 
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Dr Rez said:
That literally disproves your entire comment. Like I said to the other guy no need to be rude and disrespectful to everyone on here. Not sure why the mods even allow you to post as I have seen you get emotional and start saying rude things on more than one occasion.
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Wow, imagine if the world ran on your mindset. "You're rude, you're not allowed to talk! Wah!". People say things we don't like. You can always turn off your computer.
 
Fumetsu said:
Wow, imagine if the world ran on your mindset. "You're rude, you're not allowed to talk! Wah!". People say things we don't like. You can always turn off your computer.
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I missed the part where you made a valid point.
 
Steel "not suited" for the environment.

Some kind of imported Damascus?

And again, this is why I have a knife caddy. When I need a tool steel, or a stainless or what have you it comes out of the bag.
 
Dr Rez said:
Resorting to ad hominem attacks only shows your ineptitude to create an actual argument.
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You attack others in other ways. I'm merely responding to you being rude. If you fail to see the irony in your statements, I cannot help you.
 
Bushcraft Police!! Stop!!

You were seen on March 7 2023 carving a spoon with a Rostrei knife instead of the proper carbon blade. How do you plead?

Yeah they're judge and jury just like in the comic book.
 
Ladies, let's keep it civil in here.

Folks are allowed to express opinions, whether others like it or not, as long as they are on topic and do not descend into personal pissing matches...in which case we will be forced to throw yellow or red cards.

Play nice. You don't have to agree with a particular viewpoint, and more than one can have merit.
 
Blues said:
Ladies, let's keep it civil in here.

Folks are allowed to express opinions, whether others like it or not, as long as they are on topic and do not descend into personal pissing matches...in which case we will be forced to throw yellow or red cards.

Play nice. You don't have to agree with a particular viewpoint, and more than one can have merit.
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Cheers.
 
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