Just bought an Edge Pro Apex

I am on my 3rd 120 grit stone and they all cut fast for me. :)

I used to go through 1 per large blade. I remove a LOT of metal, when I'm done, my edges are properly thinned and cut a whole lot better, with no problems in the durability area. Now I generally use my belt sander for hogging off big metal, then switch to the EP for setting the bevel and sharpening. It's a lot uglier, but MUCH faster.
 
I want that knife! I need to get on Phil's waiting list for a S110V, 10V or M4 knife soon (or maybe I should get all 3?) as I just love his knives and his philosophy on cutting performance and getting the absolute most you can out of a stee with the heat treat, grind, and ergos. What steel is your knife? I'm guessing a very hard high carbide steel, and if the EP brings it back in minutes from dull to screaming sharp sharpening the full bevel then it is better than I thought. I'm lazy and just microbevel on ceramics and lapping film usually 5-6 times before re-doing the whole bevel because it usually takes a good amount of time to sharpen the full bevel freehand. Than again, on a thin knife like that the bevel is so small full bevel sharpening doesn't take nearly as long as most production knives, which is one of the many reasons I love mt Krein Grinds.

Anyway, I'll try to mail you the lapping films this afternoon. I'll be getting my EP this afternoon too, so it should be fun sharpening everything in sight tonight to learn the ropes on it.

Mike

Mike,

It's M390 @ 62 RC. :D

This thing makes Krein Regrinds look fat. :D
 
You have to order them if you want them.

Standard is the metal blanks.

Ok. Mostly I'm asking if I will be able to mount and use the polish tapes with the standard apex 4 kit. I ordered it a few minutes ago and I just want to make sure that I have something to mount the tapes to.
 
Ok. Mostly I'm asking if I will be able to mount and use the polish tapes with the standard apex 4 kit. I ordered it a few minutes ago and I just want to make sure that I have something to mount the tapes to.

Metal blanks come with the Kit 4. So you're good to go when that comes. You'll probably be ordering a few more accessories like glass blanks, 6K polish tape, and some silicon carbide for lapping the stones with.
 
Metal blanks come with the Kit 4. So you're good to go when that comes. You'll probably be ordering a few more accessories like glass blanks, 6K polish tape, and some silicon carbide for lapping the stones with.

I'm sure I will end up buying more accessories in the future. For now I'm just excited to get the kit in and use it! I just chipped the edge on my esee 5 so hopefully the edge pro can work those out.
 
I'm sure I will end up buying more accessories in the future. For now I'm just excited to get the kit in and use it! I just chipped the edge on my esee 5 so hopefully the edge pro can work those out.

For sure, but it's a good idea to practice on your cheap knives first. Get a feel for how to stroke and how to hold the knife on the table with either hand.
 
My EdgePro has made me an efficient two handed stroker. Thanks EdgePro!

Just working on some new ad copy to suggest to them.
 
Mike,

It's M390 @ 62 RC. :D

This thing makes Krein Regrinds look fat. :D

It depends on which Krein regrinds were talking about. My high hollow grinds with a .005" edge (on a ZDP Caly Jr. and Byrd Meadowlark for instance) have pretty small bevel even at 10 degrees inclusive, but most of my FFG Krein grinds are between .008"-.010", and that Wilson knife looks a tad thinner than that for sure. M390 @ 62RC with a uber thin blade like that has to be a GREAT cutting knife. It really is a great looking blade.

Mike
 
It depends on which Krein regrinds were talking about. My high hollow grinds with a .005" edge (on a ZDP Caly Jr. and Byrd Meadowlark for instance) have pretty small bevel even at 10 degrees inclusive, but most of my FFG Krein grinds are between .008"-.010", and that Wilson knife looks a tad thinner than that for sure. M390 @ 62RC with a uber thin blade like that has to be a GREAT cutting knife. It really is a great looking blade.

Mike

I had a few in awhile back that were very thin. :)

Yeah it cuts very good. :)
 
I got my EP last night and rebevelled my Krein ground Spyderco Pacific Spyderco Salt to 12 degrees per side. It was dead dull, and it took a little bit of fiddling with the blade stop until I found a spot that I like for sharpening the blade without moving it. It was maybe 10 minutes on the 120 grit until I set the bevel, and it would have been faster had I not been really taking my time. The 220, 320, 600, and 1000 grit went somewhat fast, as they polished the bevel out pretty nicely. With the 2000 grit tape I got the knife with a nice start to the polish, and the 3000 grit got it really shiny. The 6000 grit tape got a near perfect mirror, and it was pretty much the same sharpness as my freehand edges. I then cut some of my .3 micron and .05 micron lapping film and further polished out the edge. I seemed to get more sharpness from the lapping films and a bit more shine. It is able to fillet hair with the best of my freehand edges, and looks really good too. I know with some more practice I'll be getting even more sharpness, as I found myself wither using too much pressure or not enough on my hand holding the blade. I did find myself towards the end really getting a feel for where to set the knife on the table and how to orient the edge. I think I did pretty decent for my first try.

I have a work in progress now with my S90V Manix 2 as I was running low on time. I freehanded in my edge at around 10 degrees per side (pretty close to the factory angle), so I measured the angle of the flat grind at 4 degrees meaning 14 degrees on the EP arm would give me 10 degrees on the bevel. The 120 grit took most of the sharpie all the way to the edge except at the tip, where I was just missing the edge. I can see that on this knife while freehanding I was lifting the blade too much, causing the angle to get a tad fatter. It took a good while of pounding on the steel with the 120 grit to get the bavel set, but it was shaving nicely at that point. Since I had to wrap up my sharpening session to go to bed I deburred at 120 grit with extremely light alternating strokes, so that was a real shaving edge, not just a burr.

My initial impressions are very positive of the EP, though I may want to get a DMT X Coarse hone for the EP when setting the bevel or rebevelling with very hard steels. On factory thick knives like the Manix 2 which have a lot of surface area on the bevel that requires sharpening the 120 grit stone just doesn't have the cutting power that I'm used to with my DMT XX Coarse. Once the bevel is set the other hones set their finish rather quickly, and the sharpness for the grit used is pretty impressive. I got 3 glass blanks with my kit for the polish tapes and lapping film, and I really like them. I am used to using lapping film over glass, so sticking the tapes down on the glass blanks and the feel I get from them is very similar to what I am used to getting on my freehand finshing strokes. I can definately see myself saving a lot of time with the EP compared to freehanding once I get the bevel set and getting very nice looking and very sharp bevels in the process. I can definetely see myself getting sharper edges than I've ever gotten once I get a good feel for the machine and train my hand that holds the knife to relax. I will probably freehand in any rebevelling with my DMT XX Coarse until I get the EP sized DMT X Coarse, as even with the hardest and most wear resistant steels the DMT XX Coarse hogs off steel and sets a bevel at a really fast pace. I'm pretty happy with the purchase right now, we'll see if that lasts once I have to start flattening the hones.

Mike
 
I got my EP last night and rebevelled my Krein ground Spyderco Pacific Spyderco Salt to 12 degrees per side. It was dead dull, and it took a little bit of fiddling with the blade stop until I found a spot that I like for sharpening the blade without moving it. It was maybe 10 minutes on the 120 grit until I set the bevel, and it would have been faster had I not been really taking my time. The 220, 320, 600, and 1000 grit went somewhat fast, as they polished the bevel out pretty nicely. With the 2000 grit tape I got the knife with a nice start to the polish, and the 3000 grit got it really shiny. The 6000 grit tape got a near perfect mirror, and it was pretty much the same sharpness as my freehand edges. I then cut some of my .3 micron and .05 micron lapping film and further polished out the edge. I seemed to get more sharpness from the lapping films and a bit more shine. It is able to fillet hair with the best of my freehand edges, and looks really good too. I know with some more practice I'll be getting even more sharpness, as I found myself wither using too much pressure or not enough on my hand holding the blade. I did find myself towards the end really getting a feel for where to set the knife on the table and how to orient the edge. I think I did pretty decent for my first try.

I have a work in progress now with my S90V Manix 2 as I was running low on time. I freehanded in my edge at around 10 degrees per side (pretty close to the factory angle), so I measured the angle of the flat grind at 4 degrees meaning 14 degrees on the EP arm would give me 10 degrees on the bevel. The 120 grit took most of the sharpie all the way to the edge except at the tip, where I was just missing the edge. I can see that on this knife while freehanding I was lifting the blade too much, causing the angle to get a tad fatter. It took a good while of pounding on the steel with the 120 grit to get the bavel set, but it was shaving nicely at that point. Since I had to wrap up my sharpening session to go to bed I deburred at 120 grit with extremely light alternating strokes, so that was a real shaving edge, not just a burr.

My initial impressions are very positive of the EP, though I may want to get a DMT X Coarse hone for the EP when setting the bevel or rebevelling with very hard steels. On factory thick knives like the Manix 2 which have a lot of surface area on the bevel that requires sharpening the 120 grit stone just doesn't have the cutting power that I'm used to with my DMT XX Coarse. Once the bevel is set the other hones set their finish rather quickly, and the sharpness for the grit used is pretty impressive. I got 3 glass blanks with my kit for the polish tapes and lapping film, and I really like them. I am used to using lapping film over glass, so sticking the tapes down on the glass blanks and the feel I get from them is very similar to what I am used to getting on my freehand finshing strokes. I can definately see myself saving a lot of time with the EP compared to freehanding once I get the bevel set and getting very nice looking and very sharp bevels in the process. I can definetely see myself getting sharper edges than I've ever gotten once I get a good feel for the machine and train my hand that holds the knife to relax. I will probably freehand in any rebevelling with my DMT XX Coarse until I get the EP sized DMT X Coarse, as even with the hardest and most wear resistant steels the DMT XX Coarse hogs off steel and sets a bevel at a really fast pace. I'm pretty happy with the purchase right now, we'll see if that lasts once I have to start flattening the hones.

Mike

Sounds really good to me. :)

Like I said once you really get used to it you will love it. :thumbup:
 
Yep, like I was telling you before you will get used to it over time. :)

Sounds really good though. :)

This is VERY thin.

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Did you measure it at the top of the bevel? That is one mean, thin great looking slicing machine! It looks like maybe .007" or so, and that tip has to be a great piercing machine.

Mike
 
Did you measure it at the top of the bevel? That is one mean, thin great looking slicing machine! It looks like maybe .007" or so, and that tip has to be a great piercing machine.

Mike

It's around .010 or less, as close as I can measure it with my calipers.

It's so sharp now that it will split my very fine hair just barley toughing the edge with the weight of the hair, and that's anyplace on the edge.
 
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It's around .010 or less, as close as I can measure it with my calipers.

It's so sharp now that it will split my very fine hair just barley toughing the edge with the weight of the hair, and that's anyplace on the edge.

That is the sharpness I like! CPM M4 gets in that sharpness range for me freehand if I haven't been overdosing on caffiene. I hope with practice I can get close to that point on the EP on most steels, but I definately have a ways to go to get close to the edges you get. I have sharpening OCD though, so hopefully it only takes months instead of years to get close to your level of sharpness.

Mike
 
That is the sharpness I like! CPM M4 gets in that sharpness range for me freehand if I haven't been overdosing on caffiene. I hope with practice I can get close to that point on the EP on most steels, but I definately have a ways to go to get close to the edges you get. I have sharpening OCD though, so hopefully it only takes months instead of years to get close to your level of sharpness.

Mike

It won't take you long as you have a lot of experience freehand sharpening. :thumbup:

Just remember that everything that is most important in freehand is also important when using the Edge Pro.
 
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