Just finished a spine whack test on my Buck Select.

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sunandsteel

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Just out of curiosity I did a sphine whack test on my Buck select. It's a $25 knife with a liner lock and has been a good knife for basic stuff. I'm not sure what I learned from the test other than the fact that the lock failed after a light hit with the blade upside down. There was no blade play after performing this test more than a few times, and afterwards I continued to wittle a large branch along with batoning a a smaller limb. So I ask you, what did I learn from hitting a knife upside down?:p

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sunandsteel said:
Just out of curiosity I did a sphine whack test on my Buck select. It's a $25 knife with a liner lock and has been a good knife for basic stuff. I'm not sure what I learned from the test other than the fact that the lock failed after a light hit with the blade upside down. There was no blade play after performing this test more than a few times, and afterwards I continued to wittle a large branch along with batoning a a smaller limb. So I ask you, what did I learn from hitting a knife upside down?:p
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Dont know. Never saw the point of 'spine whacking' a knife.
 
sunandsteel said:
So I ask you, what did I learn from hitting a knife upside down?:p
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That, if you need to defend yourself against a table gone rogue by whacking it with the spine of your knife (tables hate that!), then this might not be the knife to do it.

Other than that...nothing.
 
Now where is that guy who defended himself by supposedly spine whacking the skull of an aggressor - that was hilarious!!:D
 
marcinek said:
That, if you need to defend yourself against a table gone rogue by whacking it with the spine of your knife (tables hate that!), then this might not be the knife to do it.

Other than that...nothing.
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I wanted to try this test for myself and I was careful, but I think I was looking to see if someone on here could enlighten me but I guess there really is no point to the test. I use the knife the way it suppose to be used, with the cutting edge. :p
 
marcinek said:
That, if you need to defend yourself against a table gone rogue by whacking it with the spine of your knife (tables hate that!), then this might not be the knife to do it.

Other than that...nothing.
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There are many occasions when an attacker will try to hit you with something and if you already had deployed your knife and moving around,
you might avoid the hit but it gets your knife on the back of the blade, therefore if the lock failed this test it may as well leave you with no weapon in your hand.

So it's not nothing. It shows that this particular model/design simply fails one of the requirements to be a weapon, that's it. Many "tactical" knifes will fail this test...
When designed with different priorities other to be a weapon, knife locks will fail even if you hold the knife over the lock and someone give you a whack on the back of the blade...
Knifes that are designed well to be a weapon will most likely not fail.

I did this with few inexpensive folders - the small Rat2, Zancudo and Heiho, and Heiho was the only one that even (with LAWKS not engaged) when lock failing during the hit, the assist spring will lock it back immediately.
The Zancudo will fail even with light hit, but again - when steady pressure is applied, it will hold perfectly. The Zancudo is simply designed as something else, other than a weapon, same as Rat knife. Of course you can use them as one if you need to but you should consider the consequences...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dx5Ub5eFNA
 
POCEH KOCEB said:
There are many occasions when an attacker will try to hit you with something and if you already had deployed your knife and moving around,
you might avoid the hit but it gets your knife on the back of the blade, therefore if the lock failed this test it may as well leave you with no weapon in your hand.

So it's not nothing. It shows that this particular model/design simply fails one of the requirements to be a weapon, that's it. Many "tactical" knifes will fail this test...
When designed with different priorities other to be a weapon, knife locks will fail even if you hold the knife over the lock and someone give you a whack on the back of the blade...
Knifes that are designed well to be a weapon will most likely not fail.

I did this with few inexpensive folders - the small Rat2, Zancudo and Heiho, and Heiho was the only one that even (with LAWKS not engaged) when lock failing during the hit, the assist spring will lock it back immediately.
The Zancudo will fail even with light hit, but again - when steady pressure is applied, it will hold perfectly. The Zancudo is simply designed as something else, other than a weapon, same as Rat knife. Of course you can use them as one if you need to but you should consider the consequences...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dx5Ub5eFNA
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So it's more for tactical purposes, the spine whack test. I guess I won't have a problem because I'm not a tactical kind of guy.:)
 
sunandsteel said:
So it's more for tactical purposes, the spine whack test. I guess I won't have a problem because I'm not a tactical kind of guy.:)
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Well... You don't have to be a tactical guy to do the test... Now you know that if for some reason something hits your knife on the back of the blade, it might close on your finger, that's it, nothing else.
For knife as Buck Select this could be perfectly normal, this is a great knife but it's not designed to be a weapon...
It will be much harder to un-lock Hissatsu for example, simply because the design of the knife is made in such way so it'll prevent to some extend such possibility...

On a funny note: if your knife is black, you are tactical guy... :D
 
Personally, I would be much more interested to hear how that Buck holds up from repeated batoning sessions.
 
POCEH KOCEB said:
Well... You don't have to be a tactical guy to do the test... Now you know that if for some reason something hits your knife on the back of the blade, it might close on your finger, that's it, nothing else.
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Why would I be holding a knife upside down though?:confused:
 
sunandsteel said:
I did, but there's an awful lot of spine whacking knife videos out there and I wonder what those people think. :confused:
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Lots of idiots out there as well.

POCEH KOCEB said:
There are many occasions when an attacker will try to hit you with something and if you already had deployed your knife and moving around,
you might avoid the hit but it gets your knife on the back of the blade, therefore if the lock failed this test it may as well leave you with no weapon in your hand.

So it's not nothing. It shows that this particular model/design simply fails one of the requirements to be a weapon, that's it. Many "tactical" knifes will fail this test...
When designed with different priorities other to be a weapon, knife locks will fail even if you hold the knife over the lock and someone give you a whack on the back of the blade...
Knifes that are designed well to be a weapon will most likely not fail.

I did this with few inexpensive folders - the small Rat2, Zancudo and Heiho, and Heiho was the only one that even (with LAWKS not engaged) when lock failing during the hit, the assist spring will lock it back immediately.
The Zancudo will fail even with light hit, but again - when steady pressure is applied, it will hold perfectly. The Zancudo is simply designed as something else, other than a weapon, same as Rat knife. Of course you can use them as one if you need to but you should consider the consequences...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dx5Ub5eFNA
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I must admit, that its not something that happens to me on a regular basis (that Im cornered and wawing a folder around with someone trying to hit me or the knife) - let alone on 'many occasions.'

Those who worry about such things should maybe consider getting a fixed knife ....or a carry permit. That should stop them from worrying about such things...and from getting an ulcer from stress.
 
POCEH KOCEB said:
There are many occasions when an attacker will try to hit you with something and if you already had deployed your knife and moving around,
you might avoid the hit but it gets your knife on the back of the blade, therefore if the lock failed this test it may as well leave you with no weapon in your hand.

So it's not nothing. It shows that this particular model/design simply fails one of the requirements to be a weapon, that's it. Many "tactical" knifes will fail this test...
When designed with different priorities other to be a weapon, knife locks will fail even if you hold the knife over the lock and someone give you a whack on the back of the blade...
Knifes that are designed well to be a weapon will most likely not fail.

I did this with few inexpensive folders - the small Rat2, Zancudo and Heiho, and Heiho was the only one that even (with LAWKS not engaged) when lock failing during the hit, the assist spring will lock it back immediately.
The Zancudo will fail even with light hit, but again - when steady pressure is applied, it will hold perfectly. The Zancudo is simply designed as something else, other than a weapon, same as Rat knife. Of course you can use them as one if you need to but you should consider the consequences...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dx5Ub5eFNA
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That sounds like the words of a certain member that is no longer around here...

Seriously, spine whacking in self defense? You have a knife. If you don't need a weapon, don't pull out a weapon. That is the same as pulling a gun out to pistol whip someone.

To say the least, that is an unwise decision.
 
sunandsteel said:
I did, but there's an awful lot of spine whacking knife videos out there and I wonder what those people think. :confused:
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I believe they think that "...an attacker will try to hit you with something and if you already had deployed your knife and moving around, you might avoid the hit but it gets your knife on the back of the blade".

Of course, in the incredibly rare even that might happen, the knife would probably just go flying out of your hand anyway.
 
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