Just got my first Sanrenmu folders... WOW!

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Here we go again......

For the op enjoy 'em......they'll serve you well...mine have for me.
 
RxEnergy said:
Yes I do. Benchmade made a statement on their forum that SRM's use of AXIS is unlicensed and all BM AXIS lock knives are made in USA and have always been made here. That's enough proof for me.
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Is SRM's use of the AXIS lock in China illegal? Does BM even have an enforceable patent on the AXIS lock in China? Maybe your accusations should be directed at the resellers of SRM who make the knives available in the U.S. Also, I find that Navy and other manufacturers who advertise near SRM blatantly copy designs while SRM has original designs.

If you think SRM may be abusing the law, you should look at Spyderco. Spyderco selfishly filed for an unenforceable trademark to create a legal cloud over any manufacturer who wants to use the hole opener.
 
Pete2s said:
If you think SRM may be abusing the law, you should look at Spyderco. Spyderco selfishly filed for an unenforceable trademark to create a legal cloud over any manufacturer who wants to use the hole opener.
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This statement is just plain stupid.
It is not selfish to trademark or patent inventions and ideas one comes up with. It is the basis of how people (and companies) are able to make money for work they do.
 
Pete2s said:
Is SRM's use of the AXIS lock in China illegal? Does BM even have an enforceable patent on the AXIS lock in China? Maybe your accusations should be directed at the resellers of SRM who make the knives available in the U.S. Also, I find that Navy and other manufacturers who advertise near SRM blatantly copy designs while SRM has original designs.

If you think SRM may be abusing the law, you should look at Spyderco. Spyderco selfishly filed for an unenforceable trademark to create a legal cloud over any manufacturer who wants to use the hole opener.
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Wow, are you serious? Did you bother reading what you wrote before you clicked submit reply?
 
I actually would have liked to have been a fly on the wall when other companies found out about the Spyderco patent...."Wait.....so you're telling me that they got a patent on a hole?!"
 
ThePharce said:
I actually would have liked to have been a fly on the wall when other companies found out about the Spyderco patent...."Wait.....so you're telling me that they got a patent on a hole?!"
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Thinks its a trademark, not a patent as no one can patent a hole.
 
Wow... lots of hate in here

Kind of makes me want to go buy some "chinese crap" to go see what it's like.

Guess I'm just not a cool knife snob but I appreciate a knife based on its merits instead of on its price or country of origin. Lots of the great big companies that you are so proud of manufacture knives in china too, as long as they're good knives, what's the issue? I like my Tenacious, I also get a fair bit of use out of a 12 dollar box cutter (it's a craftsman but I didn't buy it because it was made in america, I bought it because it was the best value I could find for the price that lived up to my standards of use)

And if you're really complaining about it because of the type of steel used... lets get some Cold Steel hate in here too, cause those darn people use AUS-8 on like... all of their knives. Heck, I don't even know what kind of steel my victorinox has, but I still like it.

I can see why you might pay more for what you consider a higher quality knife but... the rage on this thread seems a little over the top to me
 
j3jymann said:
Wow... lots of hate in here



I can see why you might pay more for what you consider a higher quality knife but... the rage on this thread seems a little over the top to me
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Yep, especially when out of the other side of their mouth they're praising the American companies who are using these same Chinese makers.
 
stabman said:
Bull.
I'm holding a $57 knife right now, and I feel immensely smug.
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Man that was good\funny. Lesson to be learned......never joust with a canadian.:)
 
ThePharce said:
I just see some hypocrisy in the fact that people bash SRM but have no problem with Spyderco using them.
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Official sub-contracting allows SRM to manufacture knives for Spyderco under an established protocol - essentially, these knives are sold under the Byrd brand. SRM does a similar manufacturing for some other well-known knife brands as well. And additionally, SRM has its own line of knives (eg. the 710). As far as I know, SRM cannot re-use the same design on its own line of knives, unless explicitly allowed by the original knife manufacturer. On parallel lines, if I develop software for Microsoft, it does not automatically allow me to re-use the same design/code in the applications that I develop, unless Microsoft explicitly allows me to do so.

I guess the general consensus is not bashing SRM, but bashing their strategy of "copying" every single knife design out there in their own line of knives. Had they not done this, there would be less hate probably. The bar of ethics is different for different people, so what I see as a "copy", you may not. I may reject something on an ethical ground, you may accept it for its usability, disregarding the violation of intellectual property. Different strokes for different folks, especially ethics related. :-)

I have handled a couple of knives from SRM, and they are of very poor quality - the opening-closing is not smooth, the steel is very soft and does not hold an edge for a reasonable time, all joints are gritty and over-oiled from the factory, and no amount of cleaning, lubing makes the knife smooth to open. This is across the board - all knives I've seen. I don't even consider them worth the $10 you pay for, since knives have a damage potential, and I'd rather like my knife to be more reliable than these. It may suit the Chinese economy well, but does not qualify for me as a knife. Instead of investing $60 in 6 SRM knives, I'll buy one Spyderco Delica4, or a BM Grip, and be done with it. YMMV.
 
What knives are being made for American manufactures by SRM? What are some of the specific models? Aren't Enlan, Navy, and Bee part of the same SRM family? I don't know the answer to either question, so this is a "need for information" question.

I do not own any SRM knives, at least of any I know about. I do have three "Made in China" slipjoints from Hammer Brand, which is in the Taylor Brands LLC umbrella. I also have a Steel Warrior slipjoint, and am not familiar with who manufactures it.
 
I must have gotten lucky, my 710 was the exact opposite of your experience. It's a VERY well made knife.

Ultimately, I think my point is being missed. By choosing to engage in business with SRM, Spyderco is in fact supporting SRM. My problem is with those who have a problem supporting SRM but absolutely no problem supporting the company which does support SRM. I have no problem with either company. Morality aside, if the trademarks and patents don't apply in China, there's nothing illegal about what they are doing.

I've seen companies in several industries do similar things as they were getting established. Is it ethical? NO. However, if I'm going to have to worry about the ethics of the companies with whom I do business, I might as well stop buying things.
 
sloth357 said:
I don't own any spydercos, as I avoid CHINA. I do however own a crap load of Benchmades which are made here in Oregon, USA. I know some Benchmades were made in CHINA and avoid those models and actually don't collect Benchmades anymore. I focus on small makers from USA to support a REAL person to help OUR economy out.

VOTE WITH YOUR CASH.. don't be fooled.. Buying Chinese crap only perpetuates the loss of jobs on our turf. But do what you need to I suppose, I just feel the overall fit and finish of a true quality American made knife is just a better deal for all of us who CARE.. splat.
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DING DING DING we have a winner here! We need to get back to American made products!
 
I do not like/buy Chinese knives but after reading the reviews on the 710 I decided to order one if, for no other reason, just to
see what American manufacturers are up against. The sight I ordered from was mentioned on this forum, and I wound up
with a very credible knife for less than 8 bucks, including shipping.

What I found interesting was a couple of well-known Boker and CRKT knives, all obvious by logo, selling for WAY WAY
less than they retail for in the US. I guess my point is an apparent good deal on a Chinese knife in our market still nets
the manufacturer a huge profit compared to the actual cost of producing it overseas.

The knife itself is Sebenza like in design, but has a different handle, blade shape, size and clip placement from a small
Sebbe. F&F is remarkable and anyone paying $40 or so for this product would not feel slighted. It is not a direct
knockoff.
 
I am curious how many of you actually have a JOB/CAREER? Outsourcing is a huge problem and buying what is cheap is why are are facing many of the issues America and many other countries are facing. When you are out of work and still buying outsourced crap, look at what you buy and where it's from and stop bitching about being broke.

I can't avoid outsourced products, but I make a great effort buying local whenever possibly. Yes I go to our local farmers market and shop as little as I can. Knives, foods, furniture, whatever.. YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE if you try and do your homework.

Sure I have made in China, Hecho en Mexico, etc products, but again, majority of my shopping I make difficult in that search to remain within our borders. (Yes I know lots of parts that go into products are outsourced. AGAIN it's because the collective we typically will just buy the cheapest crap, not caring about our future.)

So please enjoy your freedom and cheap knives while we still have it/them.. Carry on...
 
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