Just got my first Sanrenmu folders... WOW!

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It would be more comfortable to think about IF they were all "crap." Easy to make the "quality argument then." Companies can make it as the "quality brand" because enough customers "get it." Sadly, they are not all "crap," just way cheaper. THAT is the nightmare.

Mexico is loosing jobs to China because Mexican wages and benefits (minimal) are "too high."

How many slaves work for Sanrenmu, or is that poetic license (as in "slave wages")?
 
sloth357 said:
I am curious how many of you actually have a JOB/CAREER? Outsourcing is a huge problem and buying what is cheap is why are are facing many of the issues America and many other countries are facing. When you are out of work and still buying outsourced crap, look at what you buy and where it's from and stop bitching about being broke.

I can't avoid outsourced products, but I make a great effort buying local whenever possibly. Yes I go to our local farmers market and shop as little as I can. Knives, foods, furniture, whatever.. YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE if you try and do your homework.

Sure I have made in China, Hecho en Mexico, etc products, but again, majority of my shopping I make difficult in that search to remain within our borders. (Yes I know lots of parts that go into products are outsourced. AGAIN it's because the collective we typically will just buy the cheapest crap, not caring about our future.)

So please enjoy your freedom and cheap knives while we still have it/them.. Carry on...
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Can't argue with a thing you say. Problem is, it isn't ALL crap. Look at the amount of knife retailers that feature Chinese products. Five years ago, almost no company had Chinese products in
their catalogs. Today, even folks like AG Russell have a huge Chinese presence in their offerings. This is in no way a bash of Mr Russell; I have been a customer for years and will always
remain as such. If it were all garbage, ignoring it would be much easier. I remember when nobody would buy a knife made in Taiwan.....
 
This entire mess is why I no longer actively participate in the knife community and no longer feel joy collecting knives, anymore. I was once proud of the community and the products, but I'm not sure how I feel, anymore.

Everybody was against buying knock off designs and unlicensed use of patented and trademarked features until the quality came up on the offending products and people were forced to actually make a choice.

The issue became more unsettling when it came to light that many companies that I love and respect utilize these slave labor, design thieves to make their own line of China-made knives.

I haven't really been into knives aside from a few that I still own and use. Haven't bought a new knife in almost 2 years, now.
 
wow-- so yer sayin u give 2nd rate el cheapo's fer presents............. actually quality speaks fer itself an a 29 bux knife aint ----- quality,, in fact i wont even dignify a 29 bux knife with further discussion......
 
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The issue became more unsettling when it came to light that many companies that I love and respect utilize these slave labor
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As fun as hyperbole is, they aren't using slaves.
They are using workers who get a low wage.
There really is a huge difference.
 
stabman said:
As fun as hyperbole is, they aren't using slaves.
They are using workers who get a low wage.
There really is a huge difference.
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My hyperbole was unintended. I was under the impression that the wages were unreasonably low, and sometimes non-existent. I apologize if I was misinformed.

Regardless, I'm still uncomfortable with nearly every mid-level knife manufacturing company utilizing China facilities.
 
J85909266 said:
Regardless, I'm still uncomfortable with nearly every mid-level knife manufacturing company utilizing China facilities.
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That's fair enough.
Using one's freedom to buy stuff made where and how you like is a good thing.:)
 
Congratulations... by buying these two knives you have destroyed the American economy.

The 20 something dollars you spent actually had an affect on our relationships with china... so much so that we'll probably drop our credit rating again. (Oh wait, that seems to take 1.9BILLION dollars not being paid back)

Do you really think you're having a noticeable impact on the economy by buying a couple hundred dollars worth of knives? Seriously?
 
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Thomas Linton said:
How many slaves work for Sanrenmu, or is that poetic license (as in "slave wages")?
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Im not arguing or anything, just wondering...

Do you know if SRMs, the 710 for example, are assembled by hand? Is it a hand-finished knife, I thought these types of knives were all made automatically by a machine...I thought there was even a machine to put them in the plastic sleeve.

Its two slabs for scales, a blade, and some washers - do they have an automated assembly line process for this, or do Chinese workers hand fit the pieces?
 
j3jymann said:
Congratulations... by buying these two knives you have destroyed the American economy.

The 20 something dollars you spent actually had an affect on our relationships with china... so much so that we'll probably drop our credit rating again. (Oh wait, that seems to take 1.9BILLION dollars not being paid back)

Do you really think you're having a noticeable impact on the economy by buying a couple hundred dollars worth of knives? Seriously?
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LOL well put. There are a lot of billionaires much more damaging to the economy than people buying Sanrenmu. You know what's damaging to the economy? CEOs caring more about the multi million dollar bonus they'll get by saving the company money....and doing so by laying off a few thousand employees. Scumbags.
 
life is to short to carry 2 knives that equal 29 bux... call me an elitist--i'll gladly take that title an you'll never catch me carryin a 29 dolla chinese pos... did i make myself clear enuff? my insults me is you actually think you have a quality knife........ wont that the same reasoning in the 1400's that said the earth was flat? i think it was..............
 
wildpig001 said:
life is to short to carry 2 knives that equal 29 bux... call me an elitist--i'll gladly take that title an you'll never catch me carryin a 29 dolla chinese pos... did i make myself clear enuff? my insults me is you actually think you have a quality knife........ wont that the same reasoning in the 1400's that said the earth was flat? i think it was..............
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English please.



As for SRM and enlan, I have had several of them an although most of them are under $10 they do feel like a $30 dollar knife. Not to say I don't appreciate higher end knives as I usually pair a pimped SRM 710 with a large semi-high end knife (0302,0551,WDZ custom, or a strider).
 
sloth357 said:
I don't own any spydercos, as I avoid CHINA. I do however own a crap load of Benchmades which are made here in Oregon, USA. I know some Benchmades were made in CHINA and avoid those models and actually don't collect Benchmades anymore. I focus on small makers from USA to support a REAL person to help OUR economy out.

VOTE WITH YOUR CASH.. don't be fooled.. Buying Chinese crap only perpetuates the loss of jobs on our turf. But do what you need to I suppose, I just feel the overall fit and finish of a true quality American made knife is just a better deal for all of us who CARE.. splat.
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OOOOOOOH, I was waiting for this, as usual. Another, "I never buy Chinese" goob. What car do you own? What TV, computer, and every other home electronic? What about your appliances, large and small? THEY ALL CONTAIN SOMETHING MADE IN CHINA!!!!!!! Welcome to the global economy, folks. GET OVER IT.

If a quality product comes from here or another country, it is still a quality product, period.
 
Ok...if i was a Mod. I would of locked this a.s.a.p. The first post in this thread by the OP seems like an advert/spam to me.

If I am wrong.......sorry OP
 
stabman said:
As fun as hyperbole is, they aren't using slaves.
They are using workers who get a low wage.
There really is a huge difference.
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Low wages are a relative thing. Doing manual assembly work for most knife companies would be considered low wages here too. So does driving trucks, shoveling dirt, and mowing grass. We don't whine about our underpaid landscapers, we end up hiring them because it's easier than mowing our lawn.

Our version of low wages in China and their version are too different things. It's relative to the cost of living there. Same in El Salvador (Condor).
 
Reminds me of Mora and opinels.

Recognising them as good knives questions the worth of the entire collection.

If they can make something like this for 4dollars. I wonder what can be made with 40.
 
Jeez... and some think the moderators here aren't tolerant.

Every time this subject comes up, the same old stuff is vomited on the screen. Same arguments, same distortions, same everything. It always looks like a continuation of the other 10,000 threads that are exactly the same as their predecessors.

One day, the moderators will just shut these threads off and post a link to all the others posts on this forum that bitch, whine and complain over the same topic.

Sheesh...

Robert
 
Sanrenmu is good. Good enough to make knives for several well respected companies around the globe.

I've never been impressed with arguments over stealing designs. Assuming designs are stolen, all I can say is that it's tough to be in business. Every design that's good will be stolen. And quite a few that aren't so good. Tough reality to swallow. End of story. Fact of life. Get over it. Furthermore, the idea that a design is stolen is often nothing more than hyperbole on the part of the person making the claim. Sometimes a design is copied. But in order to steal a design, the design has to actually belong to someone first. If it does not, then copying is not stealing.

I'm not impressed with the idea that I'm supposed to buy an American made knife, either. America has no particular monopoly on good knives. A good knife is a good knife regardless of the patch of dirt the factory sits on. The process of sourcing good knives is far more complicated than is suggested by such simplistic thinking over buying American. American companies do what they do to thrive, and source their wares as they best see fit. Including from China. AG Russell couldn't even get their nice slipjoints made in the USA at any price. The factory that could get the job done was in China. This makes some folks sad. It makes me happy, because without the Chinese factory, these knives would never see the light of day at all.

Slave labor? Unless you got some information to back this up, save the dramatic license for the stage.

Lastly, am I really supposed to be ashamed for carrying a knife that cost $13? Because that's what my SAK cost me. And my Idaho made Buck. And quite a few Sanrenmu knives that are very well made. Not well made for the price, mind you. Just well made, period. Sure, I can call them a pos, and hold my breath, plug my ears, and stamp my feet. But they'll still be the same well made knives they've always been. Nothing could be said to change that fact. Maybe since they come from China, I'm supposed to dislike them. Yet knives from Switzerland and Idaho are magically good by merely coming from Switzerland and Idaho. Life is too short to delude myself over the quality of foreign made knives. Because that would only make me the fool.
 
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